Rick Perry: Debunking the lie.

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  1. Missourian
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    I hear the same crap...lie after lie told about Rick Perry.

    So here is the compendium so far.

    Every lie debunked and sourced.



    1. The lie - Rick Perry threatened to secede.
    The Truth - Politifact says "FALSE"
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    2. The lie - Economic job growth in Texas was dependent on stimulus money and defense contracts...IOW Government Spending.
    The Truth - Texas has created more jobs in the last year than the other 49 states combined.

    They all got stimulus money.

    They all receive a share of defense spending.

    When you look at the last government report on the subject of Federal Government spending by state...the Consolidated Federal Funds Report for Fiscal Year 2009, which is the most recent report that the Census Bureau has released...

    Texas is close to the bottom...like 42 out of 50.

    Here is the source: The States Where America Spends The Most (And The Least) Per Person - 24/7 Wall St.
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    3. The misleading statement - Rick Perry raised taxes.

    The Truth - Texas has no income tax. Zero. Zip. Zilch.
    The taxes that were raised:


    The Legislature added a 2% tax on the retail sale of fireworks.

    The Legislature added a tax of 1% on the purchase or rental of diesel equipment.

    The Legislature made "tweaks" in the emissions reduction fund to bring in more money. (nothing about a tax)

    There was a net tax decrease in 2006, where some taxes were raised and others lowered.

    And some other mamby pamby stuff.

    Politifact is the source: PolitiFact Texas | Gov. Rick Perry says he has a track record of not raising taxes
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    4. The misleading statement - Perry doubled the debt in Texas.

    The truth - While technically true...the reason for the increase in debt makes the statement missleading. According to Politifact:
    "It turns out that transportation is responsible for most of the added debt load under Perry, increasing from basically nothing in 2000 to $11.8 billion outstanding as of Aug. 31 2009.

    That's because before 2001, the Texas Department of Transportation lacked the authority to borrow money to pay for road projects. Voters gave it that power in 2001 when they approved a constitutional amendment that Perry supported."
    5. The lie - Rick Perry executed an innocent man
    The truth - The most cursory investigation proves Rick Perry COULD NOT POSSIBLY have commuted Willingham's death sentence.​



    Cameron Todd Willingham was a Texas man whose three young children died in a 1991 fire at the family home in Corsicana, Texas. Willingham, accused of having set the fire, was convicted of murder and was executed in 2004. Shortly before the execution and after several years of unsuccessful appeals, an arson expert, Gerald Hurst, filed a report advising the 7-member Board of Pardons and Paroles that the investigation of the case had not been based on good science and that there was no proof of arson, but the Board of Pardons and Paroles declined to recommend clemency to the governor.


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    Board of Pardons and Paroles

    In addition, a defendant may also appeal to the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles (a division of the Texas Department of Criminal Justice) for commutation of the [death] sentence.

    The Board, after hearing testimony, decides whether or not to recommend commutation to the Governor of Texas. The Governor can accept or reject a positive recommendation of commutation, but has no power to override a negative recommendation.

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    6. The lie - Rick Perry doesn't believe in global warming science.
    The Truth - Rick Perry doesn't believe MAN MADE global warming is proven science.
    "We're seeing it almost weekly or almost daily, scientists who are coming forward and questioning the original idea that man-made global warming is what is causing the climate to change," the Texas governor added.
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    Actually Perry gets only a half true on Politifact on average
    http://www.politifact.com/texas/article/2011/aug/13/truth-o-meter-rick-perry/
    No one in Texas politics has faced the Truth-O-Meter more than Rick Perry, who's gotten more True ratings than anyone else in the state — 10 — while also leading in False (14) and Pants on Fire ratings (7).

    The just-declared presidential hopeful has fared well on our other meter, the Perry-O-Meter, which rates the fulfillment of campaign promises. To date, a dozen promises have been rated Kept, three as Broken. And now, given his speech in South Carolina, we're also marking as Broken his repeated vow not to run for president.

    The West Texas Republican, an Eagle Scout who started in office as a Democratic member of the Texas House, has spoken accurately when airing figures calculated by others that don’t necessarily reflect on his own record — such as the 50 million abortions in the United States since 1973, the growth rate of the federal debt, an uptick in non-classroom employees in Texas schools and the number of people who move to Texas a day.

    The Texas A&M University graduate also was correct when he said he’s the first Aggie (as in A&M alum) to become governor of the state.

    His exaggerations and falsehoods have typically touched on federal issues, including border safety and actions by the Obama administration. For instance, he once inaccurately said he had not been called by the Obama White House and wrongly said that the state hadn't heard a response from the federal government to its applications for Medicaid waivers.

    The Truth-O-Meter needle has rocked toward Half True or worse on Perry statements characterizing recent legislative history.

    As the state’s fiscal horizon clouded leading up to the 2011 regular legislative session, Perry distorted his vetoes of $3 billion in spending after the budget-tight 2003 session; all but $500 million was already nixed because accompanying legislation had not passed into law. His overstatement played into our rating a seven-claim Perry ad Half True.

    Trumpeting his anti-tax appeal, Perry said Texas lowered the state’s business franchise tax from 4 percent to 1 percent. He was correct about the 2006 rate change, but his claim left unsaid that the revised law also expanded the tax’s base. Indeed, Texas businesses paid more in franchise taxes after the overhaul than they did before: In 2006 and 2007, franchise tax revenue was $5.75 billion. In 2008 and 2009, the first two years of the revised tax, total revenue rose to $8.7 billion. We rated his claim Half True.

    In March 2011, Perry said the budget shortfall that Texas lawmakers then faced is "not that much different" than what legislators stared down in 2003. Figures showed the shortfall confronted this year is 40 percent to 63 percent larger than in 2003, justifying our False.

    Hammering his desire for National Guard troops on the Texas-Mexico border, Perry told an interviewer in July 2010 that because of violence spreading from Mexico, "you’ve got bullets hitting the city hall in El Paso. You’ve got bombs exploding in El Paso."

    Bullets indeed flew across the border from neighboring Juarez, hitting El Paso City Hall. But there had been no bombs exploding in the U.S. city. That happened on the other side of the Rio Grande. Again, a Half True.

    Earlier, Perry told the Texas Tribune and Newsweek: "We've got a 1,000 National Guard troop request that's been in front of this president (Obama) for over a year and no response, so we are forced by Washington's inaction to take action ourselves." From his office and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, we obtained letters indicating that the Obama administration had repeatedly acknowledged his request for troops; it just hadn't given him the answer he sought. We rated his statement Half True.

    Perry, like many Republicans, has criticized the health care overhaul that Democrats carried through Congress in 2010. Objecting to the mandate requiring most Americans to obtain health coverage by 2014, he told the Tribune in April 2010: "There is a misnomer out there, I think, there's a misconception, that somehow or another ... uninsured means that you have no health care. That's not correct. Everyone in this country has access to health care."

    Perry’s campaign did not offer evidence for the "everyone" claim, which we rated Mostly False. Many avenues exist for making health care available. But the reality is that many people cannot use them, and millions don't get the care they need.

    In his 2010 book, "Fed Up!," Perry wrote that the federal government restricts "how much salt we can put on our food." That’s False. An agency has explored ways to reduce sodium in the food supply, and federal dietary guidelines recommend consuming less than 2,300 milligrams, or about 1 teaspoon, of sodium a day. But the government isn't telling anyone how much salt to sprinkle.

    Perry has occasionally flown off course about the president.

    In a July 2010 interview, Perry said: "We don’t get a lot of calls from this White House." Asked about his relations with Obama’s administration, he said: "I have, frankly, never had a call from them." Information from both the White House and Perry’s state schedule contradicted his claim. Presuming the state schedule reflects what actually happened, Perry had received such a call two weeks earlier. Pants on Fire.

    In a December 2010 interview, Perry told a writer whose blog appears on the Houston Chronicle’s website that the state’s request for a federal waiver allowing it to restructure its Medicaid program "has languished in a file cabinet at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services for more than two years." We’d previously learned that the federal government had been waiting for Texas to revise its original proposal — meaning the ball was in the state’s court. Noting Perry had earlier aired the stalled-in-Washington claim, which we then rated False, we ruled his rerun worse than inaccurate. Pants on Fire!

    Paw through our Perry fact checks here — and keep up with us on Facebook, Twitter or by email. Readers often bring politicians’ statements to our attention.

    We’ll continue watching Perry on the hustings as well as Texas Republican Ron Paul, the U.S. House member who’s been running for president for months.
     
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    Elmer Fudd could do a better than Obama has done.... so bring Perry on.... he'd get my vote!

    Hell, I have voted for him as governor every time so far.

    He does need to tighten up on the border though. He is VERY weak on the border, and that I dont like at all about him.
     
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    That doesn't tell you anything without reading the summary.

    Look at the History of Raising Taxing...#3 in my post as an example.

    Politifact rated it "False"...but when you read the summary, while technically false, raising taxes 2% on fireworks or 1% on diesel rental isn't what I'd call an earth shattering revelation.
     
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    I posted the full article and link for your perusal. I am using the same source as you are.

    The guy has done a great deal of misrepresenting and fudging the facts to suit an agenda. If not actual lies then at least not telling the entire story.

    Frankly I don't see he has much to be proud of. Texas is one of the leaders in adults without a HS diploma, insurance or a living wage. He propped up the state economy by expanding state hiring (despite being allegedly for small government). The guy is actively courting the religious nutball vote (splitting it with Bachmann).

    The GOP can do better. It has done better.
     
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    Thou dost protest a bit to much.

    :lol:
     
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    The lies I posted above are the ones I hear from liberal on this site over and over.

    This post is to refute those lies.

    If you read through the Politifact summaries, you will find that they often split a frog hair five ways to give something a "Half truth" or "False" rating.

    They do it to Obama too, and Romney.

    If you have a specific example, we can discuss it.

    But it will not detract from the fact that these six are the most used on this site to slander Rick Perry.

    And that is the topic of this thread.
     
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    That book is gonna sink his candidacy.
     
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    Doubtful.... that book is pretty good.
     
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    Never trust a fractured quote.
    "We are fed up with being overtaxed and overregulated. We are tired of being told how much salt we can put on our food, what windows we can buy for our house, what kind of cars we can drive, what kinds of guns we can own, what kind of prayers we are allowed to and where we can say them, what political speech we are allowed to use to elect candidates, what kind of energy we can use, what kind of food we can grow, what doctor we can see and countless other restrictions on our right to live as we see fit."
    Rick Perry from his book "Fed Up!"​
     
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