Rich or poor, who is more likely to be dishonest?

[CrusaderFrank]

Rich or poor, who is more likely to be dishonest?

Progressives

 

[Decepticon]

Rich people think they are better than the rest of us and act on that belief.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Rich people think they are better than the rest of us and act on that belief.

Smarter and better looking too

 

[occupied]

Rich people think they are better than the rest of us and act on that belief.

They act on their pathological need to win and their hatred of the loser, after a while it is little more than a very lucrative game. Wall street reflects this casino mentality perfectly.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Rich people think they are better than the rest of us and act on that belief.

They act on their pathological need to win and their hatred of the loser, after a while it is little more than a very lucrative game. Wall street reflects this casino mentality perfectly.

You should get out of Mommy's basement and meet these "rich people" you so hate

Talk to some local businessmen, tell them your "Theory" and when they done crying from laughing so hard they'll set you straight

 

[California Girl]

Apparently, according to these studies, the answer is rich folk:

Vitals - Rich people more likely to cheat, behave badly, research finds

In a series of experiments, University of California at Berkeley researchers showed again and again that upper-class individuals were more prone to unethical behavior than people from more deprived backgrounds, according to the study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Fascinating.

And yet, a few minutes spent reading the actual study suggests that the media reporting is not a fair representation of the results. Color me shocked that the media are - again - spinning research results to suit a political agenda.

It would be great if more people could learn to understand this kind of research. It does not 'find', it does not provide factual information, it suggests certain types of behavior. In other words.... it might, or might not.

People need to use some critical analysis and read the research instead of jumping all over the media's interpretation of those 'results'.

From the original source, the PNAS...

Upper-class individuals may be more likely than lower-class individuals to engage in unethical behavior, a study suggests. Paul Piff and colleagues explored whether social class—an individual’s relative rank in society in terms of wealth, occupational prestige, and education—is associated with unethical behaviors such as breaking the law while driving, lying, or cheating. The authors conducted two tests in a naturalistic setting to evaluate the likelihood that drivers would cut in front of other vehicles at a busy four-way intersection and pedestrians at a crosswalk in the San Francisco Bay Area, .....

http://www.pnas.org/site/misc/current.shtml#unethical

Two tests.... results 'may' suggest.... My advice, get a fucking clue how to understand research.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Rich people think they are better than the rest of us and act on that belief.

That's because our entire society, rich and poor, grades and judges ppl based on how much money they have. Our society admires the idea of being rich, even though it has nothing to do with how good of a person you are.

 

[occupied]

Rich people think they are better than the rest of us and act on that belief.

They act on their pathological need to win and their hatred of the loser, after a while it is little more than a very lucrative game. Wall street reflects this casino mentality perfectly.

You should get out of Mommy's basement and meet these "rich people" you so hate

Talk to some local businessmen, tell them your "Theory" and when they done crying from laughing so hard they'll set you straight

I'm sure embezzlement, fraud and tax cheating is just as prevalent around here as anywhere, not like they are going to admit it. You are talking to no spring chicken here, I know people are more likely to rob you with a contract than a gun and that's a fact.

 

[DiamondDave]

What the fuck does dishonesty have to do with income level??

I have known rich liars, poor liars, and middle class liars... Dishonesty, like dishonor, is within and not influenced by external appearances nor monetary intake

 

[California Girl]

What the fuck does dishonesty have to do with income level??

I have known rich liars, poor liars, and middle class liars... Dishonesty, like dishonor, is within and not influenced by external appearances nor monetary intake

It's nothing more than the results of two (quite limited) experiments. It provides no hard evidence... just anecdotal findings.

What I do find interesting are the following:

1. That the media either does not understand how to present research findings from social science issues. Or.... perhaps they deliberately misrepresent the findings in order to further a political agenda.

2. That the OP seems incapable of reading the actual research and forming an honest opinion.

No wonder there are so many idiots.... they insist on allowing the media to provide them with their 'facts'.

 

[Douger]

Flag = burka.

 

[konradv]

Apparently, according to these studies, the answer is rich folk:

Vitals - Rich people more likely to cheat, behave badly, research finds

In a series of experiments, University of California at Berkeley researchers showed again and again that upper-class individuals were more prone to unethical behavior than people from more deprived backgrounds, according to the study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Fascinating.

Based upon my personal experiences, I have seen no difference in the rich or the poor, when it comes to integrity.

I'd agree with that, but the rich have the ability to steal more and the resources to lessen the punishment when caught. Steal a thousand; go to jail. Steal a billion; get a bail out.

 

[Spectre13]

I think it all depends on the subject, I agree with the article that the feeling of entitlement is going to be more prevalent in rich people so they may feel they "deserve" more but a poor person I would think is more likely to lie at the job if it meant losing their job or keeping it.

All depends on the subject and situation.

I think the reason we have this occurring is that we have bred a nation chocked full of minor league sociopaths, who feel the rules don't apply to them, depending on the degree of the neuosis. (Sorry, I know there is a newer term but it escapes me now.) They take liberties according to that precept and can justify the most nefarious of actions. Suffice it to say, it's Ted Bundy time to a greater or lesser degree. How could this subject be anything but what we have made it. We do not hold those who are in the spotlight accountable and if they have the right amount of cash, they can get off. Look at the 5 big banks and all their execs. They almost got off with crashing the entire economy and as comedian Eddie Izzard would say, "it's almost such a catastrophy, they can't wrap their head around it, so are almost ready to say, "Well Done!, Well Done!""

 

[Leweman]

We lose more tax dollars from tax cheats than welfare cheats

Good point.

Democratic Tax Cheats Outnumber Republican, 72% V. 28% : I Believe Barack Obama Is Dangerous For This Country Story & Experience

Another Obama Nominee Has Tax Issues - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Obama Appointees and Democrat Congressman: All American Tax Cheats | DBKP - Death By 1000 Papercuts - DBKP

 

[Skull Pilot]

Nope poor people ar more honest.


Rich people will defend lies to keep their money

And poor people will kill you to get yours.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We lose more tax dollars from tax cheats than welfare cheats

Good point.

Democratic Tax Cheats Outnumber Republican, 72% V. 28% : I Believe Barack Obama Is Dangerous For This Country Story & Experience

Another Obama Nominee Has Tax Issues - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Obama Appointees and Democrat Congressman: All American Tax Cheats | DBKP - Death By 1000 Papercuts - DBKP

^ This

Post of the week!!!

 

[boilermaker55]

A man who has never gone to school may steal from a freight car; but if he has a university education, he may steal the whole railroad. Theodore Roosevelt

 

[Skull Pilot]

A man who has never gone to school may steal from a freight car; but if he has a university education, he may steal the whole railroad. Theodore Roosevelt

Maybe that's why politicians are such good thieves; they're all lawyers after all.

 

[DaGoose]

I would venture to guess that you'll find plenty of dishonesty at both sides of the spectrum. But I would judge a poor person stealing to provide for family a lot less harsh that a wealthy person stealing for God knows what.

But rightwinger posted something to ponder.....

Quote: Originally Posted by rightwinger
We lose more tax dollars from tax cheats than welfare cheats

I wonder if anyone ever compared the two?

 

[Dr.Drock]

I would venture to guess that you'll find plenty of dishonesty at both sides of the spectrum. But I would judge a poor person stealing to provide for family a lot less harsh that a wealthy person stealing for God knows what.

But rightwinger posted something to ponder.....

Quote: Originally Posted by rightwinger
We lose more tax dollars from tax cheats than welfare cheats

I wonder if anyone ever compared the two?

I don't really think that's a fair comparison. If one rich guy cheats the tax system that has as much impact as maybe hundreds, thousands or millions cheating the welfare system.

That's apples and oranges to me, can't blame a group of ppl on the actions of the guy in my scenario.