Restoring a fire resistant forest

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    And loggers who just want to know can go too. When i was a Hot Shot back in the 1960's we had loggers come and get training from us.
     
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    I think it's great that loggers want to sign up for fire contracts. I was addressing the general ban on logging in national forests, the 'let it burn' policy of the forest service and the banning of use of our national forests for fuel, lumber, etc. based on an owl that now has 0 environment because of a massive fire. Something that logging could never have done but, the Sierra Club and the environmental lobby obliterated their environment with PC political bullshit based on nothing but emotion.

    Please provide proof I ever said anything about 'heroic loggers leaping on western fires' otherwise please apologize. It seems pretty obvious you have a penchant for hatred of our logging industry. I'll wager that you're a tree-hugger. Go out to Redding, CA and hug some charcoal.

    You can't 'hire loggers' when you have already effectively put the logging industry out of business by denying them access to their product. (No industry no loggers) [/quote]
     
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    Huh? What general ban? There's all kinds of logging in national forests going on now.

    Talking points, get them consistent. It the 'extinguish everything' policy the problem, or is the 'let it burn' policy the problem?

    What are you babbling about? Only a small percentage of western Forests were put off-limits due to the Spotted Owl.

    Again, what are you babbling about? Spotted Owl habitat covers scattered locations across the west. Unless a fire burned the whole west, what you claim could not have happened.

    You just peddled nonsense because you had been brainwashed into believing it. The reason you were so easily fooled, on that issue and on every issue, is because you ignore reason and run entirely on emotion. If you see a story that confirms what you 'feel', you believe it instantly without question. In that way, you're the polar opposite of us reason-based Americans, the liberals, who run purely on the facts.

    You peddled a nonsense story about the Spotted Owl blocking firefighting efforts by the noble loggers, and a nonsense story about loggers being the first ones to fight fires on government land, even without government payment. Do you have any regrets about telling such stories, or do you only regret getting called on it?
     
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    You are a pompous fool intent upon denigrating anyone who disagrees with you. Your whole post is a lie. Funny how when one offers proof it is totally ignored by you in order to spew hatred. Fuck off....
     
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    Mammoth hates people like this:

    "I got to know and respect Brad Butcher better as the logging job next door has proceeded. You could set a watch each morning to the sound of gravel crunching under the tires of Butcher’s pickup truck and the diesel engine of the skidder starting-up at 7 a.m. sharp."

    "It’s quickly obvious Butcher cares how the woods look after his logging. Designated bumper trees help pivot logs being cable skidded and prevent wounding the bark of remaining, standing trees."


    Old School Logging
     
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    Mammoth hates people like this:

    "I got to know and respect Brad Butcher better as the logging job next door has proceeded. You could set a watch each morning to the sound of gravel crunching under the tires of Butcher’s pickup truck and the diesel engine of the skidder starting-up at 7 a.m. sharp."

    "It’s quickly obvious Butcher cares how the woods look after his logging. Designated bumper trees help pivot logs being cable skidded and prevent wounding the bark of remaining, standing trees."


    Old School Logging
     
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    Leo, old liar, I know logging very well. My father and uncles worked on the Olympic Peninsula falling the big ceder in the '50's. There are pictures in the family of them having lunch sitting in the undercut of a very large cedar. And in the summer, the work did not start at 7:00, it started at first light. Hootowling. I worked in sawmills the first 20 years of my career as a millwright. The problem with logging and sawmilling today is the over harvest of the '80's, and automation. A sawmill of today can produce at least as much as 5 mills did at the time I started in the industry. With half the people. Same for logging. Fewer trees to log, and machinery does most of the work now. We will continue to log the National Forests, but in a different manner from now on. Predicated on what we have learned over the past decades and a warming world.
     
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    You have no proof to call me a liar. Felling large cedars was typical as cedar was used for shingles for homes in areas that liberals populate. In any case, advances in machinery is a good thing. It allows more discrimination in selecting logs. Loggers in the forest is not a bad thing.
     
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    Now where have I said loggers or logging was a bad thing? What I have said is that we overlogged in the '80's, and that we have determined that a lot of our past logging and fire control tactics were wrong headed. And that we have to change to correct past mistakes. But in logging, just like everything else, far less people are required for the same results, so there will never again be as many loggers and people employed in the lumber industry as there once were. Another agricultural enterprise that now requires a far smaller labor base.
     
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    Correct me if I'm wrong... but aren't forests made of wood?
     

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