Respect and submission, are they the same?

[Mad Scientist]

You Liberals don't care about Obamas' religion, so why should I care about Bachmanns' religion?

 

[rdean]

Respect is what Republicans don't have for education, Middle Class Americans or the President.

Submission?

Well,

which one is you Dean?.....its gotta be the guy in front.....otherwise you look like a fat chick....

I'm not a Republican. I don't play that game.

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[Divine Wind]

which one is you Dean?.....its gotta be the guy in front.....otherwise you look like a fat chick....

Fat chick?

Are you one of these guys?

 

[Seawytch]

It ain't the same in the S & M clubs, that's for sure...

 

[Divine Wind]

It ain't the same in the S & M clubs, that's for sure...

I've never been, but that's rather disappointing.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Michelle Bachmann was asked a question at the debates.............

Out of all the things the President of the United States should be, it would seem absurd to think of that person as submissive. As the most powerful person in the country, the president must exude force, show self-confidence and be aggressive.
But be submissive?

At Thursday’s GOP Presidential debate, many believed Michele Bachmann’s answer regarding the question of submitting to her husband as showing weakness. Many critics questioned her perspective on leadership and authority.
Yet the idea of submission turns out to be central to what the President of the United States must do in order to lead our country.

Bachmann answered by saying submission equals respect. “I respect my husband,” she responded. “He’s a wonderful godly man. We respect each other and we love each other.”
The words respect and love would not be found as synonyms for submission in any thesaurus. Submission is often used as a negative connotation dealing with slavery, abuse or manipulation. The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines submission as “an act of submitting to the authority or control of another.”

It appears that submission lacks freedom.

Bachmann’s belief of submission differs from what has been ingrained in today’s culture. How could it be that submission equals respect or even love?



Read more: Garrett Kling Op-Ed: Give Me a Submissive President in 2012 - Op-Ed - Fox Nation

Garrett Kling Op-Ed: Give Me a Submissive President in 2012 - Op-Ed - Fox Nation

Now......let's look at what Dictionary.com has to say...........

re·spect   /rɪˈspɛkt/ Show Spelled[ri-spekt] Show IPA
noun
1. a particular, detail, or point (usually preceded by in ): to differ in some respect.
2. relation or reference: inquiries with respect to a route.
3. esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability: I have great respect for her judgment.
4. deference to a right, privilege, privileged position, or someone or something considered to have certain rights or privileges; proper acceptance or courtesy; acknowledgment: respect for a suspect's right to counsel; to show respect for the flag; respect for the elderly.
5. the condition of being esteemed or honored: to be held in respect.

sub·mit   /səbˈmɪt/ Show Spelled [suhb-mit] Show IPA verb, -mit·ted, -mit·ting.
verb (used with object)
1. to give over or yield to the power or authority of another (often used reflexively).
2. to subject to some kind of treatment or influence.
3. to present for the approval, consideration, or decision of another or others: to submit a plan; to submit an application.
4. to state or urge with deference; suggest or propose (usually followed by a clause): I submit that full proof should be required.

Now...........not for nothing, but if Bachmann has repeatedly stated that a woman is to submit to her husband (according to her beliefs in the Bible), shouldn't we be electing her husband to be president rather than his wife?

I mean..........he's the ultimate "head" of the woman, according to her. Do we really want that in a president?

There's a fine line between cuddling and holding someone down so they
can't get away.

 

[Seawytch]

It ain't the same in the S & M clubs, that's for sure...

I've never been, but that's rather disappointing.

Me neither...but I have a co-worker "in the lifestyle". I mean, I'm not opposed to a little light bondage every so often, but the stories I hear...

 

[ClosedCaption]

This comes from the same party that calls Obama a Marxist and a socialist and sees no conflict

They call him a Muslim black liberation theologist christian and sees no conflict.

They accuse the ultra powerful poor of engaging in class warfare against the helpless rich.

It's no wonder they are willing to believe Bachmann When she tells them submission and respect is the same thing

 

[rdean]

It ain't the same in the S & M clubs, that's for sure...

I've never been, but that's rather disappointing.

Join a Republican Party strategy session.

 

[ladyliberal]

When Bachmann entered politics she did it as a social conservative. Now, she's trying to shift to a more libertarian political philosophy. Her recharacterization of submission as respect is part of this. It's intellectually dishonest, but quite normal for a politician.

I doubt that she is submissive to her husband on matters of public policy. I certainly don't know of any evidence that she is. There have been a few female elected officials like that, but they are far from the norm in contemporary America.

 

[Divine Wind]

When Bachmann entered politics she did it as a social conservative. Now, she's trying to shift to a more libertarian political philosophy. Her recharacterization of submission as respect is part of this. It's intellectually dishonest, but quite normal for a politician.

If true, then I agree it is dishonest. It means she's playing her followers for chumps.

 

[Seawytch]

When Bachmann entered politics she did it as a social conservative. Now, she's trying to shift to a more libertarian political philosophy. Her recharacterization of submission as respect is part of this. It's intellectually dishonest, but quite normal for a politician.

If true, then I agree it is dishonest. It means she's playing her followers for chumps.

Name a dozen DC politicians that don't.

 

[MeBelle]

In this context, submission does not mean rolling over and doing whatever the husband commands his wife to do. There are caveats that require the husband perform duties to his wife also.

I could post link after link, copy and paste, even from "Bible For Dummies" book that could simplify this for many, but I think I would be wasting my time.

If one truly wants to understand what Bachmann meant, they need to read beyond Ephesians 5:22

Disclaiimer: I am not a bible thumper, or a 'right wing loon'.
However, I do do my research before I post.

But Bachmann cited the Bible as the reason she rolled over and did what her husband commanded her to do.

It's not as though her actions are irrelevant here.

No issue with your statement.

For those that believe and read the Bible, one scripture is much more than just a talking point.
It's like reading a novel where one opens the book halfway through, reads a paragraph and thinks they know what the story is all about.
Again, I will state, that being submissive in the biblical sense, is not the same as the wordly sense.

 

[MeBelle]

It ain't the same in the S & M clubs, that's for sure...

I've never been, but that's rather disappointing.

Join a Republican Party strategy session.

Only if you promise to chair

 

[Divine Wind]

When Bachmann entered politics she did it as a social conservative. Now, she's trying to shift to a more libertarian political philosophy. Her recharacterization of submission as respect is part of this. It's intellectually dishonest, but quite normal for a politician.

If true, then I agree it is dishonest. It means she's playing her followers for chumps.

Name a dozen DC politicians that don't.

Why a dozen? Afraid I can come up with 11?

While I think we are agreed that too many D.C. politicians are lying scum-buckets, if the only bar we set for them is "Well, everyone else is doing it", then we'll never see any improvement among them.

 

[MeBelle]

I dont want my president to have ANYONE I didnt have a chance to vote for telling them what to do.


If she doesnt know the differance between being respectful and Obeying then maybe she wont RESPECT what the American people send her to do.

Truth, did you vote for Clinton and Obama?

 

[AVG-JOE]

Michelle Bachmann was asked a question at the debates.............

Out of all the things the President of the United States should be, it would seem absurd to think of that person as submissive. As the most powerful person in the country, the president must exude force, show self-confidence and be aggressive.
But be submissive?

At Thursday’s GOP Presidential debate, many believed Michele Bachmann’s answer regarding the question of submitting to her husband as showing weakness. Many critics questioned her perspective on leadership and authority.
Yet the idea of submission turns out to be central to what the President of the United States must do in order to lead our country.

Bachmann answered by saying submission equals respect. “I respect my husband,” she responded. “He’s a wonderful godly man. We respect each other and we love each other.”
The words respect and love would not be found as synonyms for submission in any thesaurus. Submission is often used as a negative connotation dealing with slavery, abuse or manipulation. The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines submission as “an act of submitting to the authority or control of another.”

It appears that submission lacks freedom.

Bachmann’s belief of submission differs from what has been ingrained in today’s culture. How could it be that submission equals respect or even love?



Read more: Garrett Kling Op-Ed: Give Me a Submissive President in 2012 - Op-Ed - Fox Nation

Garrett Kling Op-Ed: Give Me a Submissive President in 2012 - Op-Ed - Fox Nation

Now......let's look at what Dictionary.com has to say...........

sub·mit   /səbˈmɪt/ Show Spelled [suhb-mit] Show IPA verb, -mit·ted, -mit·ting.
verb (used with object)
1. to give over or yield to the power or authority of another (often used reflexively).
2. to subject to some kind of treatment or influence.
3. to present for the approval, consideration, or decision of another or others: to submit a plan; to submit an application.
4. to state or urge with deference; suggest or propose (usually followed by a clause): I submit that full proof should be required.

Now...........not for nothing, but if Bachmann has repeatedly stated that a woman is to submit to her husband (according to her beliefs in the Bible), shouldn't we be electing her husband to be president rather than his wife?

I mean..........he's the ultimate "head" of the woman, according to her. Do we really want that in a president?

There's a fine line between cuddling and holding someone down so they
can't get away.

It's not a fine line at all.

You can tell how much you're cuddling with someone by the degree to which they cuddle back.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Michelle Bachmann was asked a question at the debates.............



Garrett Kling Op-Ed: Give Me a Submissive President in 2012 - Op-Ed - Fox Nation

Now......let's look at what Dictionary.com has to say...........





Now...........not for nothing, but if Bachmann has repeatedly stated that a woman is to submit to her husband (according to her beliefs in the Bible), shouldn't we be electing her husband to be president rather than his wife?

I mean..........he's the ultimate "head" of the woman, according to her. Do we really want that in a president?

There's a fine line between cuddling and holding someone down so they
can't get away.

It's not a fine line at all.

You can tell how much you're cuddling with someone by the degree to which they cuddle back.

Joe...you sound as if you have some experience in this area....

...she chewed through the ropes?


Are you one of those guys who always cry after sex....'cause Mace does that....

 

[Seawytch]

If true, then I agree it is dishonest. It means she's playing her followers for chumps.

Name a dozen DC politicians that don't.

Why a dozen? Afraid I can come up with 11?

While I think we are agreed that too many D.C. politicians are lying scum-buckets, if the only bar we set for them is "Well, everyone else is doing it", then we'll never see any improvement among them.

Dozen just rolls off the tongue best I guess.

I don't think it's okay just because everyone is doing it...I just don't see a whole lot that CAN be done about it. We don't elect our politicians, other people BUY them for us...

 

[Avatar4321]

Submission is a sign of respect. Not really sure what's controversial about it. Nor do I see how that has anything to do with her running for President.

Submission in the scope of a marriage has absolutely nothing to do with anything outside the marriage. Last tie I checked, Being President wasn't within the scope of anyones marriage. The issue simply wouldn't come up.