Resoring Sanity and/or Fear.... Never Mind the Numbers

[California Girl]

I do appreciate how vital it is for some of us to argue over things that are neither provable or important but I wondered about something. While we're all shooting crap about who got a bigger audience, did any of you actually bother to listen to what Jon Stewart said in his closing speech?

It's here if you want to actually listen.

March to Keep Fear Alive | Stephen Colbert Rally

It's a really, really good speech. And, funnily enough, I agree with much of what he said. Because a lot of it is what I say pretty often on here. Maybe I should sue him? Perhaps not. Because he is right.

This is a part of what he said

"There are terrorists and racists and Stalinists and Theocrats, but those are titles that must be earned. You must have the resume. Not being able to distinguish between real racists and TEA Partiers, and real bigots from Juan Williams or Rick Sanchez, is an insult. Not only to those people, but to the racists themselves. They have put in the exhausting effort it takes to hate."

Not only is he funny, he's right. And it's something I've said often on this board. Calling someone you disagree with a racist because they support the TEA Parties, or a Communist because they are a liberal is idiotic. Even Jon Stewart agrees with me.

He takes a potshot at the media, for blowing shit out of proportion. Just like I do. The 24/7 news cycle has enabled a serious amount of crap and misinformation - from ALL outlets, not one side or the other.

And, he reminds us that - just in case we need reminding - that you are not defined by your politics. You are defined by what unites us. We are all Americans.

Y'all should watch his speech. He's funny and he's right. His speech is really worth watching.

Now I've said that, you can all go back to arguing about what is really important - who got more people.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Now I've said that, you can all go back to arguing about what is really important - who got more people.

My daily...err...data dumps....attract a crowd of a few thousand.

 

[Sarah G]

I do appreciate how vital it is for some of us to argue over things that are neither provable or important but I wondered about something. While we're all shooting crap about who got a bigger audience, did any of you actually bother to listen to what Jon Stewart said in his closing speech?

It's here if you want to actually listen.

March to Keep Fear Alive | Stephen Colbert Rally

It's a really, really good speech. And, funnily enough, I agree with much of what he said. Because a lot of it is what I say pretty often on here. Maybe I should sue him? Perhaps not. Because he is right.

This is a part of what he said

"There are terrorists and racists and Stalinists and Theocrats, but those are titles that must be earned. You must have the resume. Not being able to distinguish between real racists and TEA Partiers, and real bigots from Juan Williams or Rick Sanchez, is an insult. Not only to those people, but to the racists themselves. They have put in the exhausting effort it takes to hate."

Not only is he funny, he's right. And it's something I've said often on this board. Calling someone you disagree with a racist because they support the TEA Parties, or a Communist because they are a liberal is idiotic. Even Jon Stewart agrees with me.

He takes a potshot at the media, for blowing shit out of proportion. Just like I do. The 24/7 news cycle has enabled a serious amount of crap and misinformation - from ALL outlets, not one side or the other.

And, he reminds us that - just in case we need reminding - that you are not defined by your politics. You are defined by what unites us. We are all Americans.

Y'all should watch his speech. He's funny and he's right. His speech is really worth watching.

Now I've said that, you can all go back to arguing about what is really important - who got more people.

A couple of us commented yesterday about how dood the speech was and that he gets it.

Thanks for posting it, I was going to look for it today.

 

[Annie]

I agree, a good presentation. Now it would be nice if folks took it to heart.

 

[Sarah G]

I agree, a good presentation. Now it would be nice if folks took it to heart.

Which part will you take to heart?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I agree, a good presentation. Now it would be nice if folks took it to heart.

Which part will you take to heart?

Well you have already proven you take none to heart. Go figure.

 

[Sarah G]

I agree, a good presentation. Now it would be nice if folks took it to heart.

Which part will you take to heart?

Well you have already proven you take none to heart. Go figure.

Did you think he meant that we should simply accept and allow without question?

 

[California Girl]

Which part will you take to heart?

Well you have already proven you take none to heart. Go figure.

Did you think he meant that we should simply accept and allow without question?

No. But he did mean that we should stop using 'cards' against others when, in fact, what one means is 'I disagree with you'.

 

[xotoxi]

"There are terrorists and racists and Stalinists and Theocrats, but those are titles that must be earned. You must have the resume. Not being able to distinguish between real racists and TEA Partiers, and real bigots from Juan Williams or Rick Sanchez, is an insult. Not only to those people, but to the racists themselves. They have put in the exhausting effort it takes to hate."

I exclusively use the term "racist" to refer to Wm Joyce and Tank and their friends.

For everyone else, I might use...

...if I want to get a laugh.

Jon Stewart was right. The majority of Americans are sane and are not obsessed with all the stuff that is debated here.

 

[JW Frogen]

I am a true libertarian; I fear every last one of you impinging on my freedom and want you to stay out of my business.

Unless you are a sexy lady who likes booze, then I become a socialist.

 

[Sarah G]

Well you have already proven you take none to heart. Go figure.

Did you think he meant that we should simply accept and allow without question?

No. But he did mean that we should stop using 'cards' against others when, in fact, what one means is 'I disagree with you'.

It isn't as if any of us are in a position to not let others have their say. We allow them to go then they allow us to go.

If you think that speech meant we should all join hands and never voice an opinion, you are way off.

 

[California Girl]

Did you think he meant that we should simply accept and allow without question?

No. But he did mean that we should stop using 'cards' against others when, in fact, what one means is 'I disagree with you'.

It isn't as if any of us are in a position to not let others have their say. We allow them to go then they allow us to go.

If you think that speech meant we should all join hands and never voice an opinion, you are way off.

I didn't say that at all. I took it to mean quite the opposite. It's fine to disagree. It is not fine to lie about other people. It is fine to watch the media. It is not fine to accept blindly what any media outlet tells you. In fact, it appears to me that - on the face of it (and given that I don't pay much attention to either) Stewart and Beck said very similar things. Go figure.

 

[JW Frogen]

I often agree with you Cali girl but I got to tell you I don't get Beck's popularity.

Every time he cries a crocodile is born.

 

[California Girl]

I often agree with you Cali girl but I got to tell you I don't get Beck's popularity.

Every time he cries a crocodile is born.

It's not about his personality. It's about what he said. And, since I don't avidly watch or listen to him, I can't comment on the crying thing. It doesn't really bother me one way or the other. The only thing I found interesting what the similarity of the message.

 

[JW Frogen]

That made me cry.

 

[JW Frogen]

Though men in Australia don't cry through their tear ducts, they cry through the beer ducts.

 

[Sarah G]

No. But he did mean that we should stop using 'cards' against others when, in fact, what one means is 'I disagree with you'.

It isn't as if any of us are in a position to not let others have their say. We allow them to go then they allow us to go.

If you think that speech meant we should all join hands and never voice an opinion, you are way off.

I didn't say that at all. I took it to mean quite the opposite. It's fine to disagree. It is not fine to lie about other people. It is fine to watch the media. It is not fine to accept blindly what any media outlet tells you. In fact, it appears to me that - on the face of it (and given that I don't pay much attention to either) Stewart and Beck said very similar things. Go figure.

I believe Malkin lies about other people and she isn't sane. Can I say that and still be a part of Jon Stewart's future political scenario? Of course I can.

Also, he would despise being compared to Glenn Beck. Can you tell me how he and Beck are similar?

 

[California Girl]

It isn't as if any of us are in a position to not let others have their say. We allow them to go then they allow us to go.

If you think that speech meant we should all join hands and never voice an opinion, you are way off.

I didn't say that at all. I took it to mean quite the opposite. It's fine to disagree. It is not fine to lie about other people. It is fine to watch the media. It is not fine to accept blindly what any media outlet tells you. In fact, it appears to me that - on the face of it (and given that I don't pay much attention to either) Stewart and Beck said very similar things. Go figure.

I believe Malkin lies about other people and she isn't sane. Can I say that and still be a part of Jon Stewart's future political scenario? Of course I can.

Also, he would despise being compared to Glenn Beck. Can you tell me how he and Beck are similar?

Yea, you can say it. Other people are also welcome to disagree. But calling her a 'racist' because you don't like what she says, or whatever 'lie' it was she told would be wrong - assuming you agree with Stewart.

I didn't say Stewart and Beck were similar, Sarah. You need to read what I say, not what you think I said. I said their messages were similar. You need to compare for yourself, I can't form your opinions for you.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I think it would have had a greater effect if Stuart for the last speech started out by saying "I am a comedian/commentator and I use humor everyday to make a point, but right now I am going to do something you haven't seen before - I am going to be serious"

And then made that same speech without the humor element.
I think it would have made a greater impact.

 

[Sarah G]

I didn't say that at all. I took it to mean quite the opposite. It's fine to disagree. It is not fine to lie about other people. It is fine to watch the media. It is not fine to accept blindly what any media outlet tells you. In fact, it appears to me that - on the face of it (and given that I don't pay much attention to either) Stewart and Beck said very similar things. Go figure.

I believe Malkin lies about other people and she isn't sane. Can I say that and still be a part of Jon Stewart's future political scenario? Of course I can.

Also, he would despise being compared to Glenn Beck. Can you tell me how he and Beck are similar?

Yea, you can say it. Other people are also welcome to disagree. But calling her a 'racist' because you don't like what she says, or whatever 'lie' it was she told would be wrong - assuming you agree with Stewart.

I didn't say Stewart and Beck were similar, Sarah. You need to read what I say, not what you think I said. I said their messages were similar. You need to compare for yourself, I can't form your opinions for you.

Stewart and Beck said very similar things. Go figure.

You're gettin senile, girl..

I would never ask you to form an opinion 'for me'. I was surprised by the comment.