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And Contrary to Tinhead's Daily assertion.. Hamas is NOT the elected govt of Gaza.Hamas is the one preventing/refusing pan-Palestinian elections, while Fatah wants them.
we all know why too, Tinhead's heros are unpopular Islamists. Like him.
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Abbas is holding up the elections. He illegally changed the election law. Basically, his law states that anyone who does not agree with the PLO will not be allowed to run .
The ACTUAL meaning of Resolution 242.. as opposed to the one parroted and accepted by many.What are you seeking to communicate to us here on the USMB?
To debunk a Myth.
This is Apparent to anyone with Half a Brain.
Note the STRING TITLE.
"Resolution 242: it Does NOT mean withdrawal to the 1967 lines."
What is the purpose of your EMPTY, Stupid post?
Harassment with nonsense/No content.
EDIT:
The Below Poster, PYMCO_PILGRIM is an obtuse Trolling Moron.
3 (4) posts now and NO On Topic content.
Please Report this Sabotage.
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And Contrary to Tinhead's Daily assertion.. Hamas is NOT the elected govt of Gaza.Hamas is the one preventing/refusing pan-Palestinian elections, while Fatah wants them.
we all know why too, Tinhead's heros are unpopular Islamists. Like him.
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Abbas is holding up the elections. He illegally changed the election law. Basically, his law states that anyone who does not agree with the PLO will not be allowed to run .
They won the Local PA elections in the area, Then Seized power. They have NO sovereign power or rights. No legitimacy as a 'govt'.
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And Contrary to Tinhead's Daily assertion.. Hamas is NOT the elected govt of Gaza.Abbas is holding up the elections. He illegally changed the election law. Basically, his law states that anyone who does not agree with the PLO will not be allowed to run .
They won the Local PA elections in the area, Then Seized power. They have NO sovereign power or rights. No legitimacy as a 'govt'.
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I never said it was. Hamas is the elected government in all of Palestine.
The Sunday schools have done a great deal of harm to us, becauseby smearing the walls of the rooms with maps of Palestine, they areassociating it in the mind of the average American--and I may say perhaps the Englishman too---with the Jews. Sir, there is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not.
And Contrary to Tinhead's Daily assertion.. Hamas is NOT the elected govt of Gaza.Abbas is holding up the elections. He illegally changed the election law. Basically, his law states that anyone who does not agree with the PLO will not be allowed to run .
They won the Local PA elections in the area, Then Seized power. They have NO sovereign power or rights. No legitimacy as a 'govt'.
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I never said it was. Hamas is the elected government in all of Palestine.
Gaza's militant Hamas rulers have banned eight teenage students with scholarships to study in the U.S. from leaving the territory, a Palestinian rights group said Wednesday.
The move appeared to be part of an intensified Hamas campaign against independent groups that they view as a challenge to their rule and against activities that believe promote a Western lifestyle.
The Palestinian Center for Human Rights said the eight students were granted AMIDEAST scholarships, a program that educates talented teenagers from the Middle East and North Africa for a year in the U.S. At the end of the year, students return to their home countries to finish their education. The students were granted scholarships based on their academic achievements.
In a statement, the rights group said Hamas' education minister rejected a travel request by the teenager's parents for "social and cultural reasons." It also accused Hamas of breaching the parents' right to educate their children as they choose.
Hamas would not confirm the order, much as it has in the past with similar orders travel bans on Gaza residents.
But the parents of 15-year-old Aboud Alshatari said their son was traveling to the border Wednesday when Hamas police turned him away, saying the Education Ministry refused to let him leave Gaza. Alshatari was slated to attend school in North Carolina.
The ban comes a day after a network of aid groups in Gaza criticized Hamas for forcing aid workers and employees of civil society groups to register with them before traveling for work outside the Gaza Strip. And last week, Hamas shut down the U.S.-financed International Medical Corps after it refused to submit to a Hamas audit.
The Iranian-backed Hamas overran Gaza from the secular Palestinian Fatah party in bloody street battles in 2007. Since then, Hamas has slowly imposed its radical interpretation of Islam on residents of the Gaza Strip a world view that is even more stern than what traditionally religious conservative Gazan's follow.
Other Hamas crackdowns include trying to ban male barbers from cutting women's hair and forbidding women from smoking in public and outlawing scantly clad female mannequins.
Hamas Bans Gaza Students Studying Abroad - ABC News
"Absolutely not"Philip Hitti, Arab historian, Princeton University professor, advisor to the Arab delegation which established the United Nations representing the Institute of Arab American Affairs testifying before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946...
The Sunday schools have done a great deal of harm to us, becauseby smearing the walls of the rooms with maps of Palestine, they areassociating it in the mind of the average American--and I may say perhaps the Englishman too---with the Jews. Sir, there is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not.
"Absolutely not"Philip Hitti, Arab historian, Princeton University professor, advisor to the Arab delegation which established the United Nations representing the Institute of Arab American Affairs testifying before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946...
The Sunday schools have done a great deal of harm to us, becauseby smearing the walls of the rooms with maps of Palestine, they areassociating it in the mind of the average American--and I may say perhaps the Englishman too---with the Jews. Sir, there is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not.
Cool, so, who was that imam, sultan, sheikh, shakh, president, prime-minister of that "state of palestine"?A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties.
If it was up to Tinhead, Osama bin Laden or Ahmadinejad would be in charge of Palestine and eliminating the region's Jews.Cool, so, who was that imam, sultan, sheikh, shakh, president, prime-minister of that "state of palestine"?A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties.
"Absolutely not"Philip Hitti, Arab historian, Princeton University professor, advisor to the Arab delegation which established the United Nations representing the Institute of Arab American Affairs testifying before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946...
A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties.
State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Not at all.The ACTUAL meaning of Resolution 242.. as opposed to the one parroted and accepted by many.What are you seeking to communicate to us here on the USMB?
To debunk a Myth.
This is Apparent to anyone with Half a Brain.
Note the STRING TITLE.
"Resolution 242: it Does NOT mean withdrawal to the 1967 lines."
What is the purpose of your EMPTY, Stupid post?
Harassment with nonsense/No content.
EDIT:
The Below Poster, PYMCO_PILGRIM is an obtuse Trolling Moron.
3 (4) posts now and NO On Topic content.
Please Report this Sabotage.
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My, we are a tad touchy, aren't we?
Who gives a shit what Israel needs for defensive purposes?THE AUTHORS OF RESOLUTION 242
"The former British Ambassador to the UN, Lord Caradon [the chief-author of 242], tabled a polished draft resolution in the Security Council and steadfastly resisted all suggestions for change...
Kuznetsov of the USSR asked Caradon to specify 'all' before the word ' territories' and to drop the word 'recognized.'
When Caradon refused, the USSR tabled its own draft resolution [calling for a withdrawal to the 1967 Lines] but it was NOT a viable alternative to the UK text...
Members [of the UN Security Council] voted and adopted the [UK drafted] resolution unanimously..." (UNSCesolution 242, The Washington Institute For Near East Policy, 1993, pp 27-28.
Arthur Goldberg, former US Ambassador to the UN, a key author of 242:
"...The notable omissions in regard to withdrawal... are the words 'all', 'the' and 'the June 5, 1967 lines'...
There is Lacking a declaration requiring Israel to withdraw from all of the territories occupied by it on, and after, June 5, 1967...
On certain aspects, the Resolution is less ambiguous than its withdrawal language.
Resolution 242 specifically calls for termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty of every State in the area.
The Resolution also specifically endorses free passage through international waterways...The efforts of the Arab States, strongly supported by the USSR,
for a condemnation of Israel as the aggressor and for its withdrawal to the June 5, 1967 lines, Failed to command the requisite support..."
(Columbia Journal of International Law, Vol 12 no 2, 1973).
Prof. Eugene Rostow, former Undersecretary of State, a key author of 242, international law authority, Yale University:
"UN SC 242 calls on Israel to withdraw only from territories occupied in the course of the Six Day War -
that is, not from 'all' the territories or even from 'the' territories...
Ingeniously drafted resolutions calling for withdrawal from 'all' the territory were Defeated in the Security Council and the General Assembly one after another.
Speaker after speaker made it explicit that Israel was NOT to be forced back to the 'fragile and vulnerable' 1949/1967] Armistice Demarcation Lines..."
(UNSC Resolution 242, 1993, p. 17).
The USSR and the Arabs supported a draft demanding a withdrawal to the 1967 Lines. The US, Canada and most of West Europe and Latin America supported the draft,
which was eventually approved by the UN Security Council. (American Society of International Law, 1970).
UNSC RESOLUTION AND ISRAEL'S DEFENSIBLE BORDERS:
A few days before the UNSC vote on 242, President Johnson summoned UN Ambassador Arthur Goldberg and Undersecretary Eugene Rostow to formulate the US position on the issue of 'secure boundaries' for Israel.
They were presented with the Pentagon Map, which had been prepared by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Earle Wheeler.
The map displayed the "minimum territory needed by Israel for defensive purposes," which included the entire Golan Heights and the mountain ridges of Judea and Samaria.
The participants of the meeting agreed that the Pentagon Map fulfilled the requirements of 242 for 'secure borders.'
(Prof. Ezra Zohar, A Concubine in the Middle East, Geffen Publishing, p. 39; Makor Rishon weekly, March 10, 2000).
THE GOLAN HEIGHTS AND THE FACTS - UN SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 242 - A WITHDRAWAL TO THE 1949/1967 LINES?
WHAT IS THE STANCE OF SYRIA AND OTHER ARAB STATES ON 242?
Syria Rejected UNSC Resolution 242 because it did not require Israel to withdraw to the 1949/1967 cease fire Lines.
Syria was joined by the other Arab States, claiming that the 1949/1967 Lines were not final borders.
(abu note ... later/1973 accepting the incorrect 'French Translation'/Mistranslation that because of a quirk of language included the article 'the' that was specifically rejected in the Original negotiations and Final Draft
The Palestinians Also REJECTED Resolution 242 until 1988 and then tried the same revisionist trick as the Syrians.. as all the Arabs and most others now Try.)
THE ESSENCE OF UNSC RESOLUTION 242:
***242 does not refer at all the 1949/1967 Lines;
***242 mandates negotiation - give and take, rather than give and give;
***242 never refers to withdrawal from ALL the territories, which would negate the principle of negotiation;
***242 calls for the introduction of a NEW reality of 'secure and recognized borders', which indicates that the OLD reality of the 1949/1967 Lines is neither secure nor recognized.
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The Resolution called for NEW "secure and recognized borders" .. recognizing the Old ones were Not legitimate.Who gives a shit what Israel needs for defensive purposes?
Which Land?Brillo Really said:You can't hold onto land seized in a war. Period.
Nope Goofy it isn't.Billo Really said:and 242 is telling them to get the fuck off that land.
Of course it does Clown boy.Billo Really said:It doesn't matter whose land it is. It only matters that it isn't Israel's.
It didn't say anything about "NEW" borders.The Resolution called for NEW "secure and recognized borders" .. recognizing the Old ones were Not legitimate.
The land Zionists were migrating into with their racist, apartheid policies.Which Land?
Then they left because Zionist terrorist groups started targeting them by bombing civilian infrastructure.Th British won it from the Ottomans and so-on and so-forth backwards.
What person in their right mind would give up 2/3's of their land to someone who just moved into the area?In 1948 the UN attempted to give some to the local Arabs, recent taken the name 'Palestinians'.
No, they went in there to ensure the inalienable rights of the indigenous arabs who had been living there for generations.They REFUSED The land and started a War (1948) in favor of getting the whole thing.
It's irrelevant what name you call it.They LOST.
Jordan ANNEXED the West Bank and Egypt got Gaza.
There was NO 'Palestine'.
And that includes the creation of Israel.Still NO/NEVER a Legal sovereign.
Like I said, it doesn't matter who owns the land, it only matters that it's not Israel's.Additionally, In the Original 1964 PLO Charter, they Rejected the West Bank.
242 clearly states you cannot acquire land by force. That is the over-riding principle here and there's nothing you can do that will change that. In fact, that's the first thing it states!In 1967 Israel won the West Bank form JORDAN, there still wasn't/Never was a 'Palestine'.
Only when King Hussein Lost it did he cede it to Palestinians', but the land was ALWAYS won by War.
Oops!
Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war
Like I said, it doesn't say "NEW".Nope Goofy it isn't.
English much Brillo Head?
Res 242 calls for NEGOTIATIONS for NEW "secure and recognized" boundaries, always assuming Israel would get a small new Buffer.
Withdrawal from "all" and "the" territories specifically Rejected.
Read Much?
DUH!
They're not disputed, they're "occupied".Of course it does Clown boy.
The Land is "disputed" pending 242-Directed negotiations.
That would be the same 242 you IGNORANTLY invoke.
Again, it was always intended by the Framers that Israel would NOT make a complete withdrawal
(see above)
It tells Israel's armed forces to leave, not the Palestinian's armed forces.Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict
And you make a very good German!You Angry CLOWN.
You throw yourself around showing your trite Ignorance and Juvenile Bigotry.
You know NOTHING about this conflict.
Just another 'anti-Cough-Zionist'.
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