Republicans Win "Lie Of The Year" Two Years Running!

[California Girl]

Silly posts like that sheep's OP is why he has 0 Rep. points.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha...all the right wingers don't like me...boo hoo...

Half the board are left wingers. How come they ain't reppin' you? Could it be that, even the left recognize stupid as stupid? Hmmm.

 

[Synthaholic]

In the bill. You WILL BUY insurance.... government forcing citizens to buy a product or service is unconstitutional. But.... we know why they're doing it... because it will be unsustainable... and the 'fix' will be 'universal healthcare'. Hey presto.... government take over. It's not a lie, it's a prediction. We have to wait and see.

It's not a lie even in its current form. The government telling you you have to buy health insurance is government control. The government deciding which policies and coverages the insurance companies can and cannot offer you and telling them what and who they have to cover is government control.

Will it make you feel better if they just call it a tax?

 

[Synthaholic]

Silly posts like that sheep's OP is why he has 0 Rep. points.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha...all the right wingers don't like me...boo hoo...

Half the board are left wingers. How come they ain't reppin' you? Could it be that, even the left recognize stupid as stupid? Hmmm.

I repped him.

 

[Neotrotsky]

government can imprison you for non compliance.

No, it can't. Where do you hear these things?

FOXNEWS, of course:


Time Magazine Fact Checks Fox News: No Jail Time For People Who Don't Buy Health Insurance

according to your link:

"To be fair, the House bill did not specifically prohibit this, but it also did not include this threat. Critics who said failure to obtain insurance would result in jail time were quoting a piece of the internal revenue code"
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So, not really clear. I guess we will leave it up to the IRS to choose.
That's good



By the way the title of your Time article

Jail Time for Insurance Evaders? Yes, Said Fox News

(Granted, it is not as misleading as your title, but it is the actual title)

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/201...ance-evaders-yes-said-fox-news/#ixzz18a5C8A00​

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[Neotrotsky]

In the bill. You WILL BUY insurance.... government forcing citizens to buy a product or service is unconstitutional. But.... we know why they're doing it... because it will be unsustainable... and the 'fix' will be 'universal healthcare'. Hey presto.... government take over. It's not a lie, it's a prediction. We have to wait and see.

It's not a lie even in its current form. The government telling you you have to buy health insurance is government control. The government deciding which policies and coverages the insurance companies can and cannot offer you and telling them what and who they have to cover is government control.

Will it make you feel better if they just call it a tax?

They tried that and a judge threw it out

 

[Greenbeard]

That might have dropped, at the least the imprisonment part
Do remember when?

H.R. 3962 was a House bill that never became law. The actual law, the ACA, clearly states:

`(g) Administration and Procedure-

`(1) IN GENERAL- The penalty provided by this section shall be paid upon notice and demand by the Secretary, and except as provided in paragraph (2), shall be assessed and collected in the same manner as an assessable penalty under subchapter B of chapter 68.
`(2) SPECIAL RULES- Notwithstanding any other provision of law--

`(A) WAIVER OF CRIMINAL PENALTIES- In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.
`(B) LIMITATIONS ON LIENS AND LEVIES- The Secretary shall not--

`(i) file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section, or
`(ii) levy on any such property with respect to such failure.'.​

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

It's not a lie even in its current form. The government telling you you have to buy health insurance is government control. The government deciding which policies and coverages the insurance companies can and cannot offer you and telling them what and who they have to cover is government control.

Will it make you feel better if they just call it a tax?

Your question doesn't make any sense.

 

[cutter]

The lie of the year is the same as last year. "Obama was born in Hawaii"

 

[WillowTree]

government can imprison you for non compliance.

No, it can't. Where do you hear these things?

They removed the incarceration penalty from the bill after it came to light.

Just a technicality.

Thank you, I didn't know they had removed it.

 

[mudwhistle]

That might have dropped, at the least the imprisonment part
Do remember when?

H.R. 3962 was a House bill that never became law. The actual law, the ACA, clearly states:

`(g) Administration and Procedure-

`(1) IN GENERAL- The penalty provided by this section shall be paid upon notice and demand by the Secretary, and except as provided in paragraph (2), shall be assessed and collected in the same manner as an assessable penalty under subchapter B of chapter 68.
`(2) SPECIAL RULES- Notwithstanding any other provision of law--

`(A) WAIVER OF CRIMINAL PENALTIES- In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.
`(B) LIMITATIONS ON LIENS AND LEVIES- The Secretary shall not--

`(i) file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section, or
`(ii) levy on any such property with respect to such failure.'.​

Like I said ....they dropped it.

 

[Neotrotsky]

government can imprison you for non compliance.

No, it can't. Where do you hear these things?

They removed the incarceration penalty from the bill after it came to light.

Just a technicality.

The original bill had it- what were they thinking?

So just the fines and penalties remain now

That's better

 

[Affrayer]

government can imprison you for non compliance.

You should read your own material:


Originally the bill had:

It specifically says that criminal punishment is reserved for breaking the tax code and not failure to comply to health care reform.

If we follow your logic we have the fact that buying a car will land you in jail. How so? If you commit a serious enough traffic violation they will put you in jail. Therefore when you buy a car it is tantamount to being put in jail.

Dumb and dumber and then there is republican...

 

[Toro]

St Pete Times sucks. They lie and twist the truth to backfill preconceived conclusions, and they don't care who they ruin in the process.

Not that this has anything to do with the OP, but I'm just sayin'

 

[mudwhistle]

No, it can't. Where do you hear these things?

They removed the incarceration penalty from the bill after it came to light.

Just a technicality.

Thank you, I didn't know they had removed it.

Funny thing is....these liars will argue that it's never been a law but it was at one time a proposal that was roundly rejected.

So they feel they have something to crow about now.

 

[California Girl]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha...all the right wingers don't like me...boo hoo...

Half the board are left wingers. How come they ain't reppin' you? Could it be that, even the left recognize stupid as stupid? Hmmm.

I repped him.

Birds of a feather, flock together.

 

[Affrayer]

The government telling you you have to buy health insurance is government control.

The government tells you when you can drive, when you have to stop your car, how fast you can drive and under what conditions.

According to your "cough cough" logic, the government has taken over your car.

Dumb, Dumber, Republican...

 

[Affrayer]

Half the board are left wingers.

Are you trying to claim that because a bunch of idiot right wingers like you that you're intelligent?

 

[mudwhistle]

government can imprison you for non compliance.

You should read your own material:


Originally the bill had:

It specifically says that criminal punishment is reserved for breaking the tax code and not failure to comply to health care reform.

If we follow your logic we have the fact that buying a car will land you in jail. How so? If you commit a serious enough traffic violation they will put you in jail. Therefore when you buy a car it is tantamount to being put in jail.

Dumb and dumber and then there is republican...

It still led to imprisonment. They had to remove that provision pretty quickly because of the firestorm it caused.

 

[Neotrotsky]

The government telling you you have to buy health insurance is government control.

The government tells you when you can drive, when you have to stop your car, how fast you can drive and under what conditions.

According to your "cough cough" logic, the government has taken over your car.

Dumb, Dumber, Republican...

“We must face the fact that the preservation of individual freedom is incompatible with a full satisfaction of our views of distributive justice”

Friedrich August Hayek quote


Dumb, Dumber, Democrats
(sounds so much better and more true)

 

[The T]

The government telling you you have to buy health insurance is government control.

The government tells you when you can drive, when you have to stop your car, how fast you can drive and under what conditions.

According to your "cough cough" logic, the government has taken over your car.

Dumb, Dumber, Republican...

Your comparison is a non starter. Government is tasked by the Constitution to post roads therefore they can call the shots.