Republicans trying to push us into worse war than Iraq

[beretta304]

If Bush had just gone into Afghanistan, taken out Bin Laden and the al Qaeda leaders, then left, it would all be over. Bush would be a hero and America avenged. Muslims would understand so fresh after 9/11.

Instead, he invaded Iraq for oil. For fucking oil. And don't think for a second the entire Arab world doesn't know that.

He let Bin Laden go so Bin Laden could continue to grow al Qaeda and spread their terror across the globe.

This explosion of anti American sentiment is the result of the unlawful invasion of Iraq and the decade long war in Afghanistan.

And look at what has Obama has been doing to Iran. The strongest sanctions even many Republicans have said they have ever seen. And Obama set back their nuclear program years with computer viruses. What an incredibly smart covert attack. I wonder how many Republicans say that's Bush's idea?

Have you noticed how many successes the Bush administration has had since Obama came into office? Because Republicans feel it has to be Bush, it can't be Obama.

And now we have Israel trying to set our foreign policy and Republicans agreeing? How can that not be insane? Tiny Israel trying to force American foreign policy?

And look at where we are at. Two unpaid for wars. Trillions in debt. A worn out and undermanned military. It's one thing to get middle class and poor children to go to war when they think they are protecting the country, but another to get them to join for a "war of choice". And Mitt's 5 sons didn't join before, they certainly won't join now. America would never agree to a draft, not now. Not for this. So where do more troops come from?

And with Republicans refusing a tax hike on the wealthy, who pays for it?

This is the problem when Republicans chant "War War War", they don't see beyond the fun and excitement of those first exploding bombs.

"We Won"
"Mission Accomplished"​

"And with Republicans refusing a tax hike on the wealthy, who pays for it?"

So you think raising taxes on the rich will pay for the war?

 

[beretta304]

Both Bush presidents deceived Iraq and the world regarding Iraq:

Bush 41 suckered Saddam by giving him the "green light" to invade Kuwait, then Bush 41 attacked Iraq.

Bush 43 manufactured lies to invade Iraq.

The "Green Light" Meeting: Is the US State Department still keeping April Glaspie under wraps?

And you mock the Daily Caller as a news source, Chief Squatting Doodoo? Where did you get this source... the back of a comic book?

 

[Eaglewings]

We are going to be paying for the Bush/ Cheney Fuck ups for generations to come.

To the idiots who say how much they are paying at the gas pumps..duh..do you really think they are going to give us the profits.

We were used by the fear of 911, and these people are pissed by what Bush did. I agree with the OP if we just went in as we should have, gotten the people responsible for the American attacks, got out ....Bush would be a hero.. Now he will go down in history has the biggest fuck up ever.

 

[U2Edge]

No April Glaspie actually did give a green light. She said that the United States had no interest in resolving territorial disputes.

LOL, thats not a green light to invade and annex the country!

Just because your local Police officer does not get involved when two neighbors dogs are fighting is not a green light for one neighbor to go back and get gun and then invade the neighbors house, kill him and take his furniture. Yes, there are some disputes between people that Police don't get involved in, but that is NEVER a green light for other types of action!

 

[beretta304]

We are going to be paying for the Bush/ Cheney Fuck ups for generations to come.

To the idiots who say how much they are paying at the gas pumps..duh..do you really think they are going to give us the profits.

We were used by the fear of 911, and these people are pissed by what Bush did. I agree with the OP if we just went in as we should have, gotten the people responsible for the American attacks, got out ....Bush would be a hero.. Now he will go down in history has the biggest fuck up ever.

Bush is safe. We have Obama for that role.

 

[FJO]

If Bush had just gone into Afghanistan, taken out Bin Laden and the al Qaeda leaders, then left, it would all be over. Bush would be a hero and America avenged. Muslims would understand so fresh after 9/11.

Instead, he invaded Iraq for oil. For fucking oil. And don't think for a second the entire Arab world doesn't know that.

He let Bin Laden go so Bin Laden could continue to grow al Qaeda and spread their terror across the globe.

This explosion of anti American sentiment is the result of the unlawful invasion of Iraq and the decade long war in Afghanistan.

And look at what has Obama has been doing to Iran. The strongest sanctions even many Republicans have said they have ever seen. And Obama set back their nuclear program years with computer viruses. What an incredibly smart covert attack. I wonder how many Republicans say that's Bush's idea?

Have you noticed how many successes the Bush administration has had since Obama came into office? Because Republicans feel it has to be Bush, it can't be Obama.

And now we have Israel trying to set our foreign policy and Republicans agreeing? How can that not be insane? Tiny Israel trying to force American foreign policy?

And look at where we are at. Two unpaid for wars. Trillions in debt. A worn out and undermanned military. It's one thing to get middle class and poor children to go to war when they think they are protecting the country, but another to get them to join for a "war of choice". And Mitt's 5 sons didn't join before, they certainly won't join now. America would never agree to a draft, not now. Not for this. So where do more troops come from?

And with Republicans refusing a tax hike on the wealthy, who pays for it?

This is the problem when Republicans chant "War War War", they don't see beyond the fun and excitement of those first exploding bombs.

"We Won"
"Mission Accomplished"​

As all rational people, now and then, Bush knew fully well that there is more energy under America than in all of the Arab world.

So, it was NOT for oil. ans especially not for oil, with the profane and vulgar adjective liberals are so fond to use.

Before Bush let Osama bin Laden go, Bill Clinton let Osama bin Laden go.

The explosion of anti-American sentiment was loudly and unmistakably expressed by the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center, the attack on USS Cole, the American Embassies in Kenya and elsewhere, all under the watch of the serial rapist philanderer, the last hope of a hopeless Obama re-election bid, Bill Clinton.

And look at what Obama has done to Iran: More centrifuges, more support from Russia, more derision from the Muslim world and less respect from the rest of the world.

I could not notice how many successes the Bush administration had since Obama came into office, because, as any normal person knows, Bush is out and Obama is in.

When it comes to military power, Israel is certainly not TINY. Tiny nations are - according to the world's foremost foreign expert, the community agitator, - Obama, are Venezuela and Iran.

Yeah, trillions in debt. More under Obama than under all previous Presidents combined.

The military is NOT undermanned, it's underfunded. Those who bitch about Romney's sons not serving or having served, forget that it is a military manned by VOLUNTEERS. The same people, like rdean, are undoubtedly veterans of at least of the two wars they bitch about.

The ugliest trait of human nature is ENVY. Usually exhibited by people who are devoid of ambition, desire, work ethics, honesty, decency and common sense. People who bitch about those who they will never be, based on their talents - you know, rich.

The same people who are fueled by jealousy, but are too stupid to realize that even if all the possessions of the so-called rich was confiscated, it would still not make an appreciable dent on the debt brought upon by the free-loading and the lazy.

The Republicans did not shout "War, War, War" any more than the Democrats who voted for the War, even if they voted against it before they voted for it. Or was it the other way?

 

[FJO]

We are going to be paying for the Bush/ Cheney Fuck ups for generations to come.

To the idiots who say how much they are paying at the gas pumps..duh..do you really think they are going to give us the profits.

We were used by the fear of 911, and these people are pissed by what Bush did. I agree with the OP if we just went in as we should have, gotten the people responsible for the American attacks, got out ....Bush would be a hero.. Now he will go down in history has the biggest fuck up ever.

I usually don't respond to those who think that in order to present their views they have to resort to profanity. I outgrew that urge when I was a bout 19 years old, and realized that substance carries more weight than shock.

Having said that, I don't care what the price of gasoline is. I either travel less in my own vehicle or get a ride with a loving and caring Democrat liberal ready to help out a redneck like me.

If Bush had done what FDR did after Pearl Harbor, he would be a hero. Should be, anyways.

 

[Katzndogz]

No April Glaspie actually did give a green light. She said that the United States had no interest in resolving territorial disputes.

LOL, thats not a green light to invade and annex the country!

Just because your local Police officer does not get involved when two neighbors dogs are fighting is not a green light for one neighbor to go back and get gun and then invade the neighbors house, kill him and take his furniture. Yes, there are some disputes between people that Police don't get involved in, but that is NEVER a green light for other types of action!

Obviously Saddam Hussein thought it was. If the police said "we don't get involved in neighbor disputes" it would definitely give the green light to go over there and take care of it themselves. That's why the police don't say such nonsense.

 

[U2Edge]

No April Glaspie actually did give a green light. She said that the United States had no interest in resolving territorial disputes.

LOL, thats not a green light to invade and annex the country!

Just because your local Police officer does not get involved when two neighbors dogs are fighting is not a green light for one neighbor to go back and get gun and then invade the neighbors house, kill him and take his furniture. Yes, there are some disputes between people that Police don't get involved in, but that is NEVER a green light for other types of action!

Obviously Saddam Hussein thought it was. If the police said "we don't get involved in neighbor disputes" it would definitely give the green light to go over there and take care of it themselves. That's why the police don't say such nonsense.

Well, my sisters dog in Fort Lauderdale was attacked by a neighbors dog. It got bloody, but sister was able to seperate them. My sister and the neighbor argued who was at fault and the argument was so loud and bitter that the Police were called. The Police came, but once they discovered that the dispute was simply about the dogs, they left.

But just because the did not do anything and left does not give my sisters neighbor the right to do something more aggressive. It is NOT a green light for more aggressive action.

Iraq and Kuwait had a dispute about oil drilling. Iraq claimed Kuwait was slant drilling into Iraq's fields and that Kuwait was engaged in an oil policy that was hurting Iraq. There are countries around the world that have disputes similar to this, whether it be fishing rights or trade. Just because the United States does not take a position for or against one side in any of these disputes does not mean the United States is giving support or a green light to one side to resolve the dispute with the use of force let alone an invasion and annexation of a country.

Japan and China are currently in a dispute about who owns certain Islands near Tawain. I don't think the United States has taken a position on this at all. Thats not a green light for either Japan or China to resolve the dispute by force though.

As for Saddam, he already had designs on Kuwait and was going to invade and take it regardless of what the United States did. He was famously quoted as saying in the 1980s that the United States was a paper tiger. The United States had become timid in regards to large scale foreign military intervention after the Vietnam War in which it suffered over 50,000 killed in action. Saddam remarked that he suffered 50,000 killed in action in one battle during the Iran/Iraq war.

Saddam was going to invade regardless of what the United States said or did. You don't send 8 divisions to overrun a country simply because of a border dispute. Considering the size of Kuwait, he obviously was anticipating US military action as he could have overrun Kuwait given its small size with a fraction of the forces he used. The extra forces were sent in because he was anticipating a more immediate US military response. It did not occur.

If by chance you still think Saddam was mistaken or unaware of what the US would do in the event he invaded Kuwait, in the days afterward when the United States protested and started sending troops to Saudi Arabia, he was certainly aware then. It would have taken Saddam only a few days to withdraw from Kuwait in August 1990 after the US began deploying troops to Saudi Arabia, but he didn't. Instead, he annexed Kuwait and announced it as the 18th province of Iraq.

Saddam was given months from August of 1990 through December of 1990 to withdraw his troops as the United States built up nearly 500,000 troops and passed UN resolutions that authorized the use of military force to remove Saddam's military from Kuwait. STILL, Saddam did NOT leave the country and maintained his annexation of the country.

Given that Saddam was not pursuaded by the deployment of 500,000 US troops into leaving Kuwait, there is obviously NOTHING that April could have said to Saddam that would have prevented him from invading Kuwait. Saddam wanted Kuwait and he was willing to fight the United States and all its allies in order to keep it!

 

[rdean]

If Bush had just gone into Afghanistan, taken out Bin Laden and the al Qaeda leaders, then left, it would all be over. Bush would be a hero and America avenged. Muslims would understand so fresh after 9/11.

Instead, he invaded Iraq for oil. For fucking oil. And don't think for a second the entire Arab world doesn't know that.

He let Bin Laden go so Bin Laden could continue to grow al Qaeda and spread their terror across the globe.

This explosion of anti American sentiment is the result of the unlawful invasion of Iraq and the decade long war in Afghanistan.

And look at what has Obama has been doing to Iran. The strongest sanctions even many Republicans have said they have ever seen. And Obama set back their nuclear program years with computer viruses. What an incredibly smart covert attack. I wonder how many Republicans say that's Bush's idea?

Have you noticed how many successes the Bush administration has had since Obama came into office? Because Republicans feel it has to be Bush, it can't be Obama.

And now we have Israel trying to set our foreign policy and Republicans agreeing? How can that not be insane? Tiny Israel trying to force American foreign policy?

And look at where we are at. Two unpaid for wars. Trillions in debt. A worn out and undermanned military. It's one thing to get middle class and poor children to go to war when they think they are protecting the country, but another to get them to join for a "war of choice". And Mitt's 5 sons didn't join before, they certainly won't join now. America would never agree to a draft, not now. Not for this. So where do more troops come from?

And with Republicans refusing a tax hike on the wealthy, who pays for it?

This is the problem when Republicans chant "War War War", they don't see beyond the fun and excitement of those first exploding bombs.

"We Won"
"Mission Accomplished"​

1. Saddam Hussein and the threat he posed to the Persian Gulf and the rest of the planet is something seperate from Afghanistan and terrorism that had to be dealt with.

2. The United States and the world are dependent on Persian Gulf oil, not just for supply, but more importantly because of the impact Persian Gulf oil has on the global market price of oil.

3. This is why the United States went to war against Saddam in 1991 after his invasion of Kuwait. The oil in Saudi Arabia must be protected from siezure and or sabotage by hostile forces like Saddam because of the impact such siezure and sabotage would have on global energy prices and then the global economy.

4. The United States and its allies successfully removed Saddam from Kuwait in 1991 and instead of marching to Baghdad decided on the cheaper option of containing Saddam instead of removing him with the belief that his defeat in the 1991 Gulf War and the ensuing containment regime would force his collapse within 5 years.

5. Unfortunately, Saddam did not collapse. The sanctions and weapons embargo, key elements of the containment regime, were able to be maintained for several years. But starting in 1998, the containment regime around Saddam started to fall apart.

6. Because of various countries own economic interest. Several of Iraq's neighbors and even members of the UN Security Council began to violate the sanctions put in place to try and keep Saddam contained.

7. UN Weapons inspectors were thrown out of Iraq in 1998, and large scale bombing by the United States during the Clinton Administration failed to bring their return to the country.

8. By the year 2000, Saddam was successfully selling oil through the black market and starting to make billions. Sanctions and the weapons embargo kept on eroding.

9. Without the sanctions and weapons embargo, the containment regime had essentially collapsed by 2002. Without containment the only other option for dealing with Saddam and protecting the vital oil supply of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, was regime change.

10. This is why removing Saddam in 2003 was a necessity, independent of thoughts about terrorism or even his alledged progress or lack there of when it came to renewing and building WMD.

Saddam had to be removed although for different reasons than why Al Quada and the Taliban had to be removed from Afghanistan. Both wars were necessary and the United States did not have the luxury of prosecuting one while waiting to engage in the other. The real world requires one to deal with threats to one's security simultanously. You can't carefully handle one threat at a time. Such luxury's don't exist in the real world.

Saddam had been at war with Iran for 8 years. And Bush destroyed another huge portion of their military. Not only was Saddam not a threat, he didn't have many young men, not anymore.

THINK before you try to argue.

You can bet that Bush Sr. moved satellites over Iraq as well as putting in place a spy system. Remember, Bush Sr. was a WWII officer, Former Head of the CIA, Vice President and President. Where was he when it came to Saddam? He obviously didn't want to go against his son, but only a fucking fool moron would think he would keep as quiet as he did after serving so honorably if Saddam really was a threat. THINK!

 

[U2Edge]

If Bush had just gone into Afghanistan, taken out Bin Laden and the al Qaeda leaders, then left, it would all be over. Bush would be a hero and America avenged. Muslims would understand so fresh after 9/11.

Instead, he invaded Iraq for oil. For fucking oil. And don't think for a second the entire Arab world doesn't know that.

He let Bin Laden go so Bin Laden could continue to grow al Qaeda and spread their terror across the globe.

This explosion of anti American sentiment is the result of the unlawful invasion of Iraq and the decade long war in Afghanistan.

And look at what has Obama has been doing to Iran. The strongest sanctions even many Republicans have said they have ever seen. And Obama set back their nuclear program years with computer viruses. What an incredibly smart covert attack. I wonder how many Republicans say that's Bush's idea?

Have you noticed how many successes the Bush administration has had since Obama came into office? Because Republicans feel it has to be Bush, it can't be Obama.

And now we have Israel trying to set our foreign policy and Republicans agreeing? How can that not be insane? Tiny Israel trying to force American foreign policy?

And look at where we are at. Two unpaid for wars. Trillions in debt. A worn out and undermanned military. It's one thing to get middle class and poor children to go to war when they think they are protecting the country, but another to get them to join for a "war of choice". And Mitt's 5 sons didn't join before, they certainly won't join now. America would never agree to a draft, not now. Not for this. So where do more troops come from?

And with Republicans refusing a tax hike on the wealthy, who pays for it?

This is the problem when Republicans chant "War War War", they don't see beyond the fun and excitement of those first exploding bombs.

"We Won"
"Mission Accomplished"​

1. Saddam Hussein and the threat he posed to the Persian Gulf and the rest of the planet is something seperate from Afghanistan and terrorism that had to be dealt with.

2. The United States and the world are dependent on Persian Gulf oil, not just for supply, but more importantly because of the impact Persian Gulf oil has on the global market price of oil.

3. This is why the United States went to war against Saddam in 1991 after his invasion of Kuwait. The oil in Saudi Arabia must be protected from siezure and or sabotage by hostile forces like Saddam because of the impact such siezure and sabotage would have on global energy prices and then the global economy.

4. The United States and its allies successfully removed Saddam from Kuwait in 1991 and instead of marching to Baghdad decided on the cheaper option of containing Saddam instead of removing him with the belief that his defeat in the 1991 Gulf War and the ensuing containment regime would force his collapse within 5 years.

5. Unfortunately, Saddam did not collapse. The sanctions and weapons embargo, key elements of the containment regime, were able to be maintained for several years. But starting in 1998, the containment regime around Saddam started to fall apart.

6. Because of various countries own economic interest. Several of Iraq's neighbors and even members of the UN Security Council began to violate the sanctions put in place to try and keep Saddam contained.

7. UN Weapons inspectors were thrown out of Iraq in 1998, and large scale bombing by the United States during the Clinton Administration failed to bring their return to the country.

8. By the year 2000, Saddam was successfully selling oil through the black market and starting to make billions. Sanctions and the weapons embargo kept on eroding.

9. Without the sanctions and weapons embargo, the containment regime had essentially collapsed by 2002. Without containment the only other option for dealing with Saddam and protecting the vital oil supply of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, was regime change.

10. This is why removing Saddam in 2003 was a necessity, independent of thoughts about terrorism or even his alledged progress or lack there of when it came to renewing and building WMD.

Saddam had to be removed although for different reasons than why Al Quada and the Taliban had to be removed from Afghanistan. Both wars were necessary and the United States did not have the luxury of prosecuting one while waiting to engage in the other. The real world requires one to deal with threats to one's security simultanously. You can't carefully handle one threat at a time. Such luxury's don't exist in the real world.

Saddam had been at war with Iran for 8 years. And Bush destroyed another huge portion of their military. Not only was Saddam not a threat, he didn't have many young men, not anymore.

THINK before you try to argue.

You can bet that Bush Sr. moved satellites over Iraq as well as putting in place a spy system. Remember, Bush Sr. was a WWII officer, Former Head of the CIA, Vice President and President. Where was he when it came to Saddam? He obviously didn't want to go against his son, but only a fucking fool moron would think he would keep as quiet as he did after serving so honorably if Saddam really was a threat. THINK!

Actually, do to demographics of the Iraqi population, the number of young men in Iraq has been steadily rising for decades now. It was higher in 1990 than it was in 1980. It was higher in 2000 than it was in 1990. Today it is the highest its ever been.

Saddam's military was actually in the best shape it had ever been at the end of the Iran/Iraq war, both in terms of number of troops and equipment, battlefield experiences, training, and tactics.

The Gulf War was a blow to his military, perhaps a 60% reduction, and plus at least for 6 or 7 years isolation in obtaining any new equipment. But even under such conditions, given Kuwaits small size, Saddam's military was still large enough to be a threat and Bill Clinton stated that it was.

But the whole point of acting in 2003 is because of the means of containment had collapsed by then. Every year beyond that point given the collapse of containment, Saddam would get stronger and any war with him would be more expensive and costly in both lives and dollars. It was better to remove Saddam while he was relatively weak then to wait until he was stronger and had various types of WMD to use against any invading force. It was a bonus that he had yet to re-arm with such weapons at the time of the 2003 invasion. Far more lives would have been lost had he been armed with nerve gas or other types of WMD.

Saddam had to be either contained or removed. The collapse of the containment regime meant that the only option left was regime removal.

 

[Erand7899]

We are going to be paying for the Bush/ Cheney Fuck ups for generations to come.

To the idiots who say how much they are paying at the gas pumps..duh..do you really think they are going to give us the profits.

We were used by the fear of 911, and these people are pissed by what Bush did. I agree with the OP if we just went in as we should have, gotten the people responsible for the American attacks, got out ....Bush would be a hero.. Now he will go down in history has the biggest fuck up ever.

Attempting to be a Monday morning quarterback is one thing, but when you don't even understand the game, it makes you look like a fool.

The time is long gone, when we could depend on the Atlantic and Pacific oceans to separate us from the assholes of the world. And, it is virtually impossible to protect a free nation from international terrorism, without taking away freedoms that Americans do not want to lose.

America's only logical defense was to go on the offensive, carry the war to the Middle East, and force the terrorists to confront America on our terms. Otherwise, we might well have been looking at more tall towers coming down, or elementary schools being taken over by suicide squads.

The strategy worked. The failure was the attempt to nation build after the main battle was over. The third armored division should have gone straight into Iran and put an end to that problem while we were there.

A large number of radical Moslems are at war with the United States, and have been for almost thirty years now. They will never quit, and they will eventually wear us down. That is their strategy.

We can have that war in the streets of America, or we can have that war in the streets of the Middle East, but that war will be fought in one of them. You best start realizing what we face. It is real, and not a movie.

 

[Grandma]

Okay, let's start with the oil.
Yes, we have oil here - but a good bit of it is either full of sand or 2 miles deep in the ocean. Iraqi oil is easier to get to.
Oil prices aren't determined by who's in office, they're determined by our good friends on Wall Street that get very rich by speculating on commodities.
Who had the food contracts? Halliburton.
Who had the safety equipment contracts? Halliburton.
Who had the electrical engineering contracts? Halliburton.
Who had the paramilitary contracts? Blackwater, later Xe, a division of Halliburton.
Who owned Halliburton? Dick Cheney.
And that's why we started 2 wars.