Republicans, Stop Making Excuses and Win

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    I'm am a Conservative Republican going back a long way. I am seeing a disturbing trend on our end of the spectrum that I would like to address. We're showing signs of what the left has often been accused of: whining and making excuses.
    I'm a Republican to a large extent because it's the party that's supposed to embody the ideal of rugged individualism that this country was founded on.
    That being said...Bush got his head handed to him the other night. Rush and Sean Hannity and all those other puppets can whine and complain and make excuses and outright lie all they want, but John Kerry looked like he was debating a Downes Syndrome patient, not the leader of the free world. Everybody knows that this is true, but who cares. We all know that Bush is not there because he's smart, or quick on his feet, or, perhaps even competent. The fact is he's failed at everything he's done in life. Bush is there because he's the likeable, electable figure-head for the intelligent, competent, but unlikeable and unelectable people around him. We all know this, it may not be the type of thing we want to admit, but it's undeniably true.
    Bush will win because he is likeable, and very human, and the views of his administration are those of most Americans. It doesn't matter that he was so thoroughly embarrassed and eviscerated during the debate. Any competent adult with a high school diploma would've beaten Bush. That doesn't make Kerry look good any more than it would make a pro football player look tough if he beat up a 6 year old girl.
    So let's just get on with the campaign and do what we can and get ourselves and our friends and family out to the polls. That's what matters. We're going to win because our beliefs are right, in spite of George Bush.
    Let's ignore newsweek, and Dan Rather and all the rest of those snobs who think we're a bunch of ignorant hillbillies and closed minded religious nuts. Then we can look forward to 4 more somewhat embarrassing years of falling down, choking on pretzels, hanging out in Texas instead of working, an inability to speak English or grasp the issues, dodging questions about being a draft dodger, drug addict, alcoholic, his child-like religious beliefs, soldiers dying on a daily basis because they don't have the equiptment they need, and not catching Osama Bin Laden. But also 4 more years of doing what's right for the wealthy people who are the heart and soul of the nation and the economy, going in there and killing as many terrorists as possible.
    We are still afraid as a nation. That is why we do not blame Bush for hiding in a bunker on 9/11. The Republicans understand this fear, that is why Bush will win next month.
    But let's not fear the election, and let's stop sounding so desperate. It doesn't matter what Newsweek or anybody else says. Results and dogma are what will matter in the race, not polls. On election day, we will overcome.
     
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    I don't recall Rush or Hannity whining, or LYING! You better PROVE bullshit like that. It ain't going fly here.

    "WE" know nothing of the sort. So the man suffer's from stage fright, and isn't the same kind of slick, lying, smooth talking shyster kerry is. That doesn't mean shit. He's a very intelligent man, and is dead nuts on in his speaches.

    "The fact is"... the more your rant goes on, the more you sound like a liberal in here trooling. There's NOTHING "true", in your above statement.

    You couldn't have sounded more like a liberal if you tried. Suppose maybe you should have touted all of kerry's good points... if he has any. I guess you could make some up, since you're so good at lying about people.

    You come here saying you're a Republican, and then you proceed to kick the shit out of the President with all the liberal lies and talking points you could muster up. You sir, are NO FUCKING REPUBLICAN! You're a liberal through and through. Please refrain from saying you are a Republican.

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    I've been a Republican since Eisenhower. Before we became PC and tried to deceive ourselves. I'm saying let's be honest with ourselves, take the good with the bad and win it.
    I like Bush. But, like any other President, he's got his strengths and weaknesses.
    By taking about the liberal media and their lies you're giving them the power over the right to take us down. Forget them. There's no conspiracy, they're just out of touch and so are you if you believe what you're writing. Being a conservative isn't about towing the party line, it's about being an individual and saying what you believe regardless of what others think of it.
    It's time to smarten up and stop acting like a bunch of whining liberals making excuses all of the time.
    Don't say the President has stage fright. Say he's a bad debater, a poor speaker and less intelligent than Kerry. But, his policies are correct and Kerry's are wrong, that's why we vote for him. That's how you be an individual and a winner instead of a lefty whiner.
    And Rush and Hannity are bought and paid for mouth pieces that do more to undermine the right than anything the liberals can do or say. Pay attention to what's going on around you and stop worrying about not rocking the boat!
     
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    and you have something to back up the highlighted?
     
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    yes, I listen to the shows. They've never once disagreed with anything the Bush administration has done or said. Not once in the years I've been listening. O'Reilly is a Bush supporter, but he'll criticize when he disagrees. Democracy is built upon disaggreement
    Agreeing with the President all of the time is bad. It makes people take them and the President less seriously because they're view as his mouthpieces, which they are. They offer no insight they simply agree with what comes out of the White House.
    If you would like Republicans to be seen as mindless automatons (which is how we're seen by those with opposing political views), go ahead and support Rush and Hannity. There are plenty of conservative voices who can think for themselves and speak their minds and deserve your support, but I suppose it's very comforting to be told what you already believe.
     
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    You lie. Both have disagreed with the President/administration on immigration and medicare prescriptions, for two issues. Be gone!
     
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    I see nothing wrong with disagreement on this board, Kathianne. I know we're all on edge from last Thursday's massive failure. But this is not a time for us to be divisive. We can disagree without being dismissive. There's a difference between debating and fighting. Debate is good, fighting helps the other side. The left enjoys seeing us fight just like we like seeing the left fight each other. How does it help the Republican cause for you to say "Be Gone."
    It may be empowering for you to be flippant, but disagreement strengthens Democracy, and if we disagree we should do it intelligently. Is this board about discussion or patting each other on the back for agreement and being sarcastic toward those who might disagree?
    If you can come up with a legitimate, intelligent argument I would be happy to debate you on it. But if you're just going to say "Be gone" you're just being childish and admitting that you can't argue you're point.

    Now, I've never heard Hannity or Rush disagree with anything Bush has said or done. I would be happy to admit that I'm wrong if you can prove it. I listen to at least part of their shows about three times a week, for years. If you have proof of what you said, let's see documentation, a quote and a date and a source for where you got your facts. Anybody could just make something like that up, but having facts is what wins an argument. Maybe the president should learn that!
     
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    Campaign Finance Reform, you have shown yourself not be a listener, rather a "seminar caller".
     
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    I would happily admit I'm wrong if somebody would prove it. But nobody has yet, so, let's see some documented evidence. I'm not going to spend every minute listening to these shows, I guess that makes me a "seminar caller," whatever that is. I'm a little too old to keep up with the trendy lingo.
    I like to know what they're up to, but I like a little more substance when I listen to talk shows.
    But, I hope I'm wrong and they actually are helping instead of hurting our cause, but I REALLY don't think that that's the case.
    I'm not really sure why I'm being attacked. I expected more of a free and friendly exchange of ideas in this chat room. The things I'm saying are what Republicans believed back in Reagan's day. I guess I can't keep up with you trendy "compassionate conservatives."
     
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    How can you make such wrongfull and general exucation of two radio shows claiming that are bought and paid for mouth pieces if you don't even listen to them. If you have spent anytime listening you would know what is meant by the term "seminar caller". It is not a trendy word rather an unfortunate occurance on such talk shows. Again you have shown yourself to be representative of something you are not.
     

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