Republicans Sliding

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As a former Republican turned Independent, I can relate to this poll.

Recent voter surveys, including private polling done by a leading Republican strategist, suggest a broader erosion of Republicans' appeal. In particular, three groups crucial to Mr. Bush's goal of a "permanent Republican majority" are drifting away: younger voters, Hispanics and independents.

The reasons include the Iraq war, conservatives' emphasis on social issues such as gay marriage, abortion and stem-cell research, and a party-led backlash against illegal immigrants that has left many Hispanic and Asian-American citizens feeling unwelcome. The upshot is that Republicans face structural problems that stem from generational, demographic and societal changes and aren't easily overcome without changing fundamental party positions.

Longtime Republican pollster Tony Fabrizio this year conducted an exhaustive survey of his party's voters to update one he did in 1997. He found that the party is significantly older and more conservative than it was a decade ago. That, he says, suggests a Republican Party increasingly at risk of being seen "as very old-fashioned, very old and not in touch with the realities of today's society."

Those problems contributed to Republicans' loss of control of Congress last year. Overall, though, Republicans' defections to date haven't necessarily been the Democratic Party's gains. Many renegade Republicans instead are declaring independence of either party and becoming swing voters. ...

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But if Republican erosion continues, the 2008 election could confirm a trend away from the period of conservative dominance in U.S. government and politics that dates back nearly three decades, to 1978.

The party's uncertainties turn on some of the most important groups of voters. Younger voters represent necessary new blood. Hispanics are the nation's fastest-growing demographic group, and are concentrated in big states such as Florida and California that are keys to presidential victories. Independents' ranks fluctuate but are expanding amid voters' disgust with partisanship. Each party needs them to win elections.

In the 2006 congressional elections, Democrats won all three groups. Voters 18 to 29 years old favored Democrats over Republicans by 60% to 38%, exit polls showed. Hispanics favored Democrats 69% to 30%; Republicans' share was 14 percentage points lower than its Hispanic vote in congressional elections two years earlier. Independents went for Democrats 57% to 39%; in 2004, Democrats only narrowly got more votes than Republicans.

"The state of the Republican Party is worse than any time since Watergate, and arguably this is worse than Watergate," says party strategist Vin Weber, a former congressman, "because that was about an event, whereas this may reflect a trend."

Republicans recovered quickly after the Watergate-related losses in 1974 and 1976, triumphing at all levels of government in 1978 and electing Ronald Reagan in 1980, to usher in the conservative era.

The forces now at work already have hurt Republicans in Mr. Reagan's California -- home to many Hispanics, social liberals, the young and those always trying to be young. Now Democrats are making inroads in other once reliably Republican states -- among them Florida, Virginia, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Montana and even Mr. Bush's Texas.

Mark Penn, chief strategist for Sen. Clinton, says Democrats are regaining Hispanics who voted for Mr. Bush, and drawing more women and more higher-earning voters. "How permanent is it? That remains to be seen," he says. But Republicans "have to redefine themselves, and typically parties don't do that until they're forced into the wilderness and someone steps forward to bring them out of the wilderness."

In Mr. Fabrizio's 2007 survey of Republicans, more than seven out of 10 call themselves conservatives, up 16 percentage points from 55% in 1997. Those who call themselves moderate or liberal Republicans have declined 17 points, to just a quarter of the party from 42% a decade ago. It follows that the survey shows Republicans have further declined in the more moderate Northeast and gained in the more conservative South: Now 38% of Republicans are Southerners, while 16% live in the Northeast. ...

In the 1997 Fabrizio survey, Republicans were evenly split between those whose main concerns were economic issues and those whose focus was social and moral issues. This year, he found the party more segmented: In the wake of the 9/11 terror attacks, national-security conservatives are back, after a lapse with the end of the Cold War. Economic conservatives, though, are now a much smaller share of the party. "Moralists," Mr. Fabrizio's term for the evangelical conservatives with "laser-like focus" against abortion and gay rights, remain a quarter of the party just as in 1997.

But as other groups splinter, that now makes moralists the largest of the seven Republican subgroups Mr. Fabrizio identifies, shaping Americans' perceptions of today's Republican Party. "It is the moralists whose voices you're hearing," he says.

That's causing dissonance even within the party: By 53% to 42%, Republicans say the party "has spent too much time focusing on moral issues" rather than economic issues.

In the current survey, 17% of Republicans are 18 to 34 years old, down from 25% in 1997. Republicans 55 and older constitute 41% of the party -- up from 28% a decade ago.

WSJ
 
Older, more conservative, more xenophobic, and more religious fundamentalist.....

Yep, these are pretty much the reasons I left the GOP years ago, too. I used to be a liberal republican, in the mold of a John Anderson (yes, there really did use to be liberal republicans), but I got turned off by the rightward lurch of the party to religious fundamentalism and xenophobia.
 
Older, more conservative, more xenophobic, and more religious fundamentalist.....

Yep, these are pretty much the reasons I left the GOP years ago, too. I used to be a liberal republican, in the mold of a John Anderson (yes, there really did use to be liberal republicans), but I got turned off by the rightward lurch of the party to religious fundamentalism and xenophobia.

GMAFB.:rofl:

Hate to break the news to you Sherlock, but the right has moved left, not right.
 
during the last two elections? how do you come to that conclusion, Gunny?

curious and asking politely.
 
GMAFB.:rofl:

Hate to break the news to you Sherlock, but the right has moved left, not right.

Based on everything I've been reading, it's actually quite the opposite. Many people feel that the republican party, since it has been hijacked by the religious right, has no place for them. Maybe, instead of moralizing, conservatives should remember that conservatism doesn't mean legislating about what goes on in people's bedrooms.
 
Based on everything I've been reading, it's actually quite the opposite. Many people feel that the republican party, since it has been hijacked by the religious right, has no place for them. Maybe, instead of moralizing, conservatives should remember that conservatism doesn't mean legislating about what goes on in people's bedrooms.

I wouldn't doubt that everything you've been reading says just exactly what you want to hear, and it wants you to believe.

Oh and blah, blah, f-ing blah re: the been hijacked by the religious right. As my first sentence states ....

Liberals should remember liberalism isn't about legislating my pay out of my pocket to prop up people who don't want to earn their's, nor to bail out failed S&L institutions that make bad investments. Liberalism isn't about a whole lot of things you people on the left currently support.

I AM what a liberal was when I was growing up. I have no idea what YOU are, just what you claim to be.

All that aside, what's with the gravedigging for old threads? Not like anything I have said from 2006 up until now has changed any of your screwy political idealism one bit.
 
I wouldn't doubt that everything you've been reading says just exactly what you want to hear, and it wants you to believe.

Oh and blah, blah, f-ing blah re: the been hijacked by the religious right. As my first sentence states ....

Liberals should remember liberalism isn't about legislating my pay out of my pocket to prop up people who don't want to earn their's, nor to bail out failed S&L institutions that make bad investments. Liberalism isn't about a whole lot of things you people on the left currently support.

I AM what a liberal was when I was growing up. I have no idea what YOU are, just what you claim to be.

All that aside, what's with the gravedigging for old threads? Not like anything I have said from 2006 up until now has changed any of your screwy political idealism one bit.
You can't deny that the Republicans have become more centered around religion. Not saying all of them but quite a bit and they use their religious beliefs to make their choice on a candidate. Why do you think McCain picked Palin?
 
Older, more conservative, more xenophobic, and more religious fundamentalist.....

Yep, these are pretty much the reasons I left the GOP years ago, too. I used to be a liberal republican, in the mold of a John Anderson (yes, there really did use to be liberal republicans), but I got turned off by the rightward lurch of the party to religious fundamentalism and xenophobia.


ROFLMNAO... if the universe stripped humanity of platitudes tonight, the left would never be heard from again.
 
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yes, i do
"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them." BG 1995

Stole this from Del!
 
"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them." BG 1995

Stole this from Del!
now, prove that fits Palin
you cant
 
now, prove that fits Palin
you cant
When she ran for governor and mayor of Wassila she talked quite a bit about her Christian values. She goes to a Pentecostal church which is what a large number of the religious right is now. It has everything to do with Palin and what the new right stands for.
 
When she ran for governor and mayor of Wassila she talked quite a bit about her Christian values. She goes to a Pentecostal church which is what a large number of the religious right is now. It has everything to do with Palin and what the new right stands for.
has she enacted any legislation or vetod any that would support that claim?
 
"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them." BG 1995

Stole this from Del!

True Belivers scare me because logic has no effect on them. Faith is all. BTW I am equally scared of the TB's on the Left side of the aisle. They take it on faith that I don't know a whit about what is right and wrong. So they legislate it and then tell me that my wealth is now thiers.

At least the Constitution protects us from the religious TB's. There is no protection from the marxist/socialist dictatorship that Obama/Clinton/Biden/Pelosi et al would like to create.
 
has she enacted any legislation or vetod any that would support that claim?
She wants creationism taught in school and she want to make a constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriage.
Just like Powell, Goldwater would not have liked what she stands for. He had enought sense not to run an ad simular to what the McCain camp has been about Ayers.
 
has she enacted any legislation or vetod any that would support that claim?
She wants creationism taught in school and she want to make a constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriage.She also would not get back to the people who wanted to have an event for "coming out" day!
Just like Powell, Goldwater would not have liked what she stands for. He had enought sense not to run an ad simular to what the McCain camp has been about Ayers.
 
has she enacted any legislation or vetod any that would support that claim?
She wants creationism taught in school and she want to make a constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriage.She also would not get back to the people who wanted to have an event for "coming out" day!
Just like Powell, Goldwater would not have liked what she stands for. He had enought sense not to run an ad simular to what the McCain camp has been about Ayers.
 

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