Republicans press for Senate vote on health care

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Republicans press for Senate vote on health care

With its mandate that almost all people in the U.S. carry insurance, the health care law divides people about evenly. Some provisions - coverage for those with pre-existing conditions and allowing older children to remain on parents' insurance - are popular.

Only about one in four people say they want to do away with the health care law completely, according to a recent Associated Press-GfK poll.

For those reasons, Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., suggested that Republicans should be careful what they wish for.

 

[mascale]

The TeaBerserkers fail to distinguish Insurance Exchanges of multiple options from a single product that is mandatory to buy.

Anyone could likely be fined for selling or distributing contaminated food, but no one is required to buy it, or any other specific one of the federally inspected alternatives. In the alternative of the inspected foods, there is a federal standard met which is variously priced.

That is not unconstitutional, and nobody wants it repealed.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(White Eyes who take all buffalo away, leave young braves with raw bear meat alternatives. Many now sleep in Diseased Hunting Ground, of Great Devil God, Trichinosis, and forever!)

 

[bucs90]

Is the Senate refusing a vote on the repeal?

Surely Harry Reid isn't turning the Dem's into..............The Party of No...right?

 

[Yurt]

this thread is legion!

 

[Mini 14]

Reid initially said he wouldn't even allow it on the floor of the Senate, then waffled on that. Not sure where he stands now.

But what's odd to me is that there seem to be murmurs from within the GOP that they think they may be able to get it through. I don't see how, never thought it was a real possibility (still don't), but in the last 3-4 days, the attitude from both sides has seemed to change.

Something is up, but I have no clue what it is. I still don't see the GOP getting enough votes in the Senate to actually repeal the thing.

But the chatter has changed. They (both sides) know something we don't.

 

[The T]

Reid initially said he wouldn't even allow it on the floor of the Senate, then waffled on that. Not sure where he stands now.

But what's odd to me is that there seem to be murmurs from within the GOP that they think they may be able to get it through. I don't see how, never thought it was a real possibility (still don't), but in the last 3-4 days, the attitude from both sides has seemed to change.

Something is up, but I have no clue what it is. I still don't see the GOP getting enough votes in the Senate to actually repeal the thing.

But the chatter has changed. They (both sides) know something we don't.

With 23 Democrat Senate seats up in 2012? Note too that NO democrat wanted to touch Healthcare during the elections of 2010. They knew it was poison knowing that the people were angry as hell it got passed despite the insistance of the people not to vote for it.

Reid is treading on very thin ice and he knows it.

 

[WillowTree]

Twenty nine states are now suing the feds over this hastily put together, back room dealing, butt kissing special favor granting budget busting peice of legislation, but if you want to keep lying and saying the TAxpaying American citizens favor it be my guest.

 

[mascale]

The Constitution of The TeaBerserkers only allows poison food and hyperinflation, so Democrats may want up or down votes on specific provisions. The Health Care reform lowers presciription medicine costs for needy older people. The TeaBerserkers want them soaring instead. The Democrats may start there, and sell that all year long.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(The TeaBerserkers, however, are not calling for the Obamas to withdraw their children from Sidwell Friends school, and enroll them in the D. C. schools nearby to the White House. Probably there are blacks enrolled in those schools.)

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The Constitution of The TeaBerserkers only allows poison food and hyperinflation, so Democrats may want up or down votes on specific provisions. The Health Care reform lowers presciription medicine costs for needy older people. The TeaBerserkers want them soaring instead. The Democrats may start there, and sell that all year long.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(The TeaBerserkers, however, are not calling for the Obamas to withdraw their children from Sidwell Friends school, and enroll them in the D. C. schools nearby to the White House. Probably there are blacks enrolled in those schools.)

wake up shmuk the party that you so blindly defend doesn't give a shit about you.

 

[Flaylo]

The Constitution of The TeaBerserkers only allows poison food and hyperinflation, so Democrats may want up or down votes on specific provisions. The Health Care reform lowers presciription medicine costs for needy older people. The TeaBerserkers want them soaring instead. The Democrats may start there, and sell that all year long.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(The TeaBerserkers, however, are not calling for the Obamas to withdraw their children from Sidwell Friends school, and enroll them in the D. C. schools nearby to the White House. Probably there are blacks enrolled in those schools.)

wake up shmuk the party that you so blindly defend doesn't give a shit about you.

Your party is the one that doesn't care about your dumbass unless your giving donations.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The Constitution of The TeaBerserkers only allows poison food and hyperinflation, so Democrats may want up or down votes on specific provisions. The Health Care reform lowers presciription medicine costs for needy older people. The TeaBerserkers want them soaring instead. The Democrats may start there, and sell that all year long.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(The TeaBerserkers, however, are not calling for the Obamas to withdraw their children from Sidwell Friends school, and enroll them in the D. C. schools nearby to the White House. Probably there are blacks enrolled in those schools.)

wake up shmuk the party that you so blindly defend doesn't give a shit about you.

Your party is the one that doesn't care about your dumbass unless your giving donations.

Never said they did. but what the democrats do is just give you enough to think they care, they only care what you think about them on election day.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Even if it passes in the Senate Obama will VETO it, requiring 2/3rds? Not likely to get that ( or is it 3/4's?) can't remember.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Even if it passes in the Senate Obama will VETO it, requiring 2/3rds? Not likely to get that ( or is it 3/4's?) can't remember.

2/3 rds

 

[Mini 14]

Even if it passes in the Senate Obama will VETO it, requiring 2/3rds? Not likely to get that ( or is it 3/4's?) can't remember.

Right, its 2/3, and I've seen no chance of them getting that in the Senate, but like I was saying, there's a buzz that maybe they're going to try. I hope not, unless they know something no one else does.

And I agree, Obama will veto it, which would leave us right where we are now, anyway.

The House can effectively kill this thing all on their own by not allowing any of it to move forward, and not funding anything until 2012, when the threat of a veto will be gone. The States are going to handle the mandate on their own. There may very well be other issues the States strike on their own as well. In my mind, there is no rush. They've got at least 2 years to see what happens. Just don't provide any funding for it.

I think the House needs to move on to other issues and wait for Reid to send them something on healthcare to approve. Trying to push the Senate into a vote to repeal is a huge risk. As of now, they've won (the GOP and the House). Move on to the next issue.

 

[Ernie S.]

Twenty nine states are now suing the feds over this hastily put together, back room dealing, butt kissing special favor granting budget busting peice of legislation, but if you want to keep lying and saying the TAxpaying American citizens favor it be my guest.

That's 33 seats... The dems might just be ready to toss obama to the curb in order to save their seats. There's several ways to play it. Dems in risky seats can vote for repeal in an attempt to save their jobs while guys whos seats are safe, vote no, letting repeal fail 50/49 or 50/50 with Biden voting no.
Or, if more consider their seats at risk, they go 55/45 for repeal, knowing obama will veto. This almost ensures a GOP POTUS in 2012, but saves a few more Dem Senate seats.

 

[midcan5]

So nice to see the republicans are working to create jobs - oh wait - scratch that - the republicans are still doing what they do best, cry and whine and try to stop progress. Nothing really changes does it?


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[editec]

Even if it passes in the Senate Obama will VETO it, requiring 2/3rds? Not likely to get that ( or is it 3/4's?) can't remember.

I concur.

The GOP will have to kill this bill (which will be law by then) when they control the Senate and Oval Office.

Cannot wait to see what they come up with, either.

 

[Mini 14]

Even if it passes in the Senate Obama will VETO it, requiring 2/3rds? Not likely to get that ( or is it 3/4's?) can't remember.

I concur.

The GOP will have to kill this bill (which will be law by then) when they control the Senate and Oval Office.

Cannot wait to see what they come up with, either.

I'm picturing a law which has never been funded, and the new President, without much pomp, will sign the repeal.

I expect the GOP (or the "Right") to control it all again in 2012, probably with very large majorities in the House and Senate. The Law will have been on the books for a while, but without funding (which I don't believe the House will approve), it will be the equivalent of tits on a bull.

 

[Flaylo]

Even if it passes in the Senate Obama will VETO it, requiring 2/3rds? Not likely to get that ( or is it 3/4's?) can't remember.

I concur.

The GOP will have to kill this bill (which will be law by then) when they control the Senate and Oval Office.

Cannot wait to see what they come up with, either.

I'm picturing a law which has never been funded, and the new President, without much pomp, will sign the repeal.

I expect the GOP (or the "Right") to control it all again in 2012, probably with very large majorities in the House and Senate. The Law will have been on the books for a while, but without funding (which I don't believe the House will approve), it will be the equivalent of tits on a bull.

You keep forgeting that only a quarter of Americans want full repeal, no how is that going to equal more seats for the Repugs when they'll go against the majority of Americans?

 

[mascale]

The Old GOP(?) was funny enough, only a few months ago--at their website--suggesting that a well-regulated free market(?) is what they really were for. The New GOP TeaBerserkers are at least likely now entirely past all that.

Now on their record, better to have a shrinking insurance risk pool, driving prices past the planets: Just like it is better to have more unregulated, contaminated food, on the market. GOP TeaBerserkers know that Hyperinflation can then happen with the real food, just like with the insurance. The Old Free Market ways, completely unregulated, still bring tears of joy to some old anti-socialist eyes.

There was a Senator Barry Goldwater, GOP Presidential nominee once, who offered a choice, instead of an echo! Clearly, no one is suggesting that the new TeaBerserker GOP is offering anything usual, like an echo. Back to basics, in the manner of Stoneage, seems more to be what they are about, and how they sound, making noises. Social Survival of the richest: Is still their mantra.

If more rotted food can be put onto the market, then prices for the real food can soar through the rooftops. If insurance risk pools are left to shrink, then premiums can skyrocket past all the planets. That is what the GOP TeaBerserkers, know that repeal is all about.

Their claim is that everyone else is just as Berserker as they are!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(GOP appears to have in common with the Obama Administration that the D. C. schools are not to be at all regarded on the A-list of our nation. In fact, D. C. funding is subject to a major part of the GOP, likely deficit reduction!)