Republicans like to think they understand the concept of “free shit” but actually don’t

[Ray From Cleveland]

Billy, our founders never wanted anything like this. They wanted free people, not kept people by their federal government. It's the reason they left and found this land in the first place.

Thanks to progressivism (if you wish to call it that) we went from a free people, to a cradle-to-grave government. Government provides housing (in suburbs for many cities) provides food, provides medical care, provides phones, provides daycare centers, provides utilizes, tells us what to eat, what we can and cannot smoke, what kind of cars we should be driving, provides retirement funds, what our children are allowed to eat in school, and even a choice of gender you wish to be.

Does that sound like we are free people to you? And to add insult to injury, it's not enough. Now government wants to provide you with national healthcare coverage and college as well. What's left for you to decide? What color of carpet you have in your home?

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution that grans Congress the right, of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress 1794

I support the government providing the large majority of those things. Not even sure what you mean by phones or gender but whatever.

Let me put this way: obviously there is such a thing as too much government. However, there is also such a thing as too little. That balance is important.

So when government makes every personal decision in your life for you, that's not too much government?

I for one think we have way too much government controlling our lives. What happened to the good ole days when if you wanted something, you simply bought it? You want stocks, you buy them. You want real estate investments, you buy property. You want to make more money than others, you invest in education or a business of your own. You need healthcare coverage, you only took jobs that provided it. You want a better paying blue collar job, you paid for trade school

Now, with everything government provides, that's not good enough. Now it metastasized into free college? You call that the middle?

Okay but the government doesn’t make every decision for you. That’s just the usual lame nanny state talking point that lacks any validity. It’s one of those beliefs that simply sounds real but actually isn’t.

Also, the jobs that provide good health insurance are very competitive. The result is millions having no choice but to accept shitty jobs.

Correct. The government doesn't make every decision for you......yet. But leave it to you leftists, they will. When the Democrats have power, they are able to make more and more of your decisions for you.

I want a 20oz Pepsi. Government says you can only have a 12oz Pepsi. I want a 15 round magazine in my gun. Government says you can only have a 5 round magazine for your gun. I want my school to serve pizza for lunch. Government says you can't have pizza for lunch, you can have mixed peas instead or starve. I want to drive my car with no seatbelt. Government says you cannot drive your car without a seatbelt. I want to go to a bar, and have a beer and a cigarette. Government says you can't have a cigarette with your beer.

For crying out loud, even the former USSR didn't do this to their people. 30 years ago you couldn't compare the government restrictions of places like Cuba to the USA. Thanks to liberalism, you can today.

I don’t automatically endorse every policy pushed just because I am socialist. Obviously there have been examples of bad policy. The scope of your examples are pretty limited anyway. None of those are federal.

Moochelles school lunch program was not federal? Seat belt laws are not federal? Well, in a sense they are, but it was the federal government who threatened to withhold state aid unless they complied. Liz Warren stated that her first day as President, she would ban fracking. That would not be federal? Back to topic, free college would not be federal?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So what is too much?
This from a guy who compares college education with the police. He does not understand what the government is there to do...

The reason why free college is important is because the country benefits from educated people. We NEED more educated people like doctors or scientists.

We don't have enough doctors or scientists? I never read anything like that.

We would obviously benefit from more of them. Government funding of science has been gutted in recent years. This would also include the need for engineers, psychologists, economists, and lawyers

Okay. Does society benefit from me having a car? After all, I would use that car to go to work and back, use that car to buy food for my family, so shouldn't government provide me with one? Does society benefit from me having a home; a place where I can live, a place to raise my family? Would society benefit from me having this internet? I can educate myself on the internet, look for a new job, buy things for my home?

What society can benefit from is the most pathetic excuse of them all. We still benefit from these people with those careers anyway. In fact, some careers have too many people in them already, such as a few you named above like psychologists, economists, and lawyers. They are all around us.

You have way too much all or nothing thinking about this. No the government shouldn’t provide you a car. However, a job should pay enough to where you can afford to buy one. If it doesn’t, the government needs to intervene for the sake of the common good.

And there you go again, supporting my point. Now you believe that government should dictate what an employer pays an employee. See how correct I am? You said the federal government doesn't make every decision for you, and yet you now say that government should dictate what employees should be paid. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Show me where in the US Constitution it says that this is a responsibility of the federal government our founders created.

 

[Billy000]

I support the government providing the large majority of those things. Not even sure what you mean by phones or gender but whatever.

Let me put this way: obviously there is such a thing as too much government. However, there is also such a thing as too little. That balance is important.

So when government makes every personal decision in your life for you, that's not too much government?

I for one think we have way too much government controlling our lives. What happened to the good ole days when if you wanted something, you simply bought it? You want stocks, you buy them. You want real estate investments, you buy property. You want to make more money than others, you invest in education or a business of your own. You need healthcare coverage, you only took jobs that provided it. You want a better paying blue collar job, you paid for trade school

Now, with everything government provides, that's not good enough. Now it metastasized into free college? You call that the middle?

Okay but the government doesn’t make every decision for you. That’s just the usual lame nanny state talking point that lacks any validity. It’s one of those beliefs that simply sounds real but actually isn’t.

Also, the jobs that provide good health insurance are very competitive. The result is millions having no choice but to accept shitty jobs.

Correct. The government doesn't make every decision for you......yet. But leave it to you leftists, they will. When the Democrats have power, they are able to make more and more of your decisions for you.

I want a 20oz Pepsi. Government says you can only have a 12oz Pepsi. I want a 15 round magazine in my gun. Government says you can only have a 5 round magazine for your gun. I want my school to serve pizza for lunch. Government says you can't have pizza for lunch, you can have mixed peas instead or starve. I want to drive my car with no seatbelt. Government says you cannot drive your car without a seatbelt. I want to go to a bar, and have a beer and a cigarette. Government says you can't have a cigarette with your beer.

For crying out loud, even the former USSR didn't do this to their people. 30 years ago you couldn't compare the government restrictions of places like Cuba to the USA. Thanks to liberalism, you can today.

I don’t automatically endorse every policy pushed just because I am socialist. Obviously there have been examples of bad policy. The scope of your examples are pretty limited anyway. None of those are federal.

Moochelles school lunch program was not federal? Seat belt laws are not federal? Well, in a sense they are, but it was the federal government who threatened to withhold state aid unless they complied. Liz Warren stated that her first day as President, she would ban fracking. That would not be federal? Back to topic, free college would not be federal?

The point I am making is that the federal government are not pushing for the examples you provided and they don’t control every aspect of your life. Obviously there is such a thing as federal laws lol. I’m just saying that the reach of federal government is limited. Your examples are state.

 

[MisterBeale]

it’s a phrase used by republicans to denigrate the left for wanting tuition free college or socialized healthcare, but they don’t really understand how these concepts are no different than programs already in place.

When a republican’s house is on fire or they need police assistance do they pay the responders personally? Uh no. They keep the “free shit”. You see, something like free tuition or socialized medicine are no different. All of these programs are paid for with tax payer revenue. Bernie, after all, has tax proposals to pay for his ideas.

You just don't get what is going on. . . .

You are begging the world elites to make a cage for you that you can't escape from. You want them to enslave you because you don't want to take care of yourself.

 

[Billy000]

The reason why free college is important is because the country benefits from educated people. We NEED more educated people like doctors or scientists.

We don't have enough doctors or scientists? I never read anything like that.

We would obviously benefit from more of them. Government funding of science has been gutted in recent years. This would also include the need for engineers, psychologists, economists, and lawyers

Okay. Does society benefit from me having a car? After all, I would use that car to go to work and back, use that car to buy food for my family, so shouldn't government provide me with one? Does society benefit from me having a home; a place where I can live, a place to raise my family? Would society benefit from me having this internet? I can educate myself on the internet, look for a new job, buy things for my home?

What society can benefit from is the most pathetic excuse of them all. We still benefit from these people with those careers anyway. In fact, some careers have too many people in them already, such as a few you named above like psychologists, economists, and lawyers. They are all around us.

You have way too much all or nothing thinking about this. No the government shouldn’t provide you a car. However, a job should pay enough to where you can afford to buy one. If it doesn’t, the government needs to intervene for the sake of the common good.

And there you go again, supporting my point. Now you believe that government should dictate what an employer pays an employee. See how correct I am? You said the federal government doesn't make every decision for you, and yet you now say that government should dictate what employees should be paid. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Show me where in the US Constitution it says that this is a responsibility of the federal government our founders created.

I’m not supporting your point because the government simply doesn’t control your every decision. What you are referring to is totalitarianism which is waaayyy on the other end of the spectrum.

 

[Crixus]

it’s a phrase used by republicans to denigrate the left for wanting tuition free college or socialized healthcare, but they don’t really understand how these concepts are no different than programs already in place.

When a republican’s house is on fire or they need police assistance do they pay the responders personally? Uh no. They keep the “free shit”. You see, something like free tuition or socialized medicine are no different. All of these programs are paid for with tax payer revenue. Bernie, after all, has tax proposals to pay for his ideas.

Police and fire as well as city municipal services are for the greater good. That's shit our tax's should go to. That's not free shit. We pay for that. Same for public schools. This is what people mean by free shit.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We don't have enough doctors or scientists? I never read anything like that.

We would obviously benefit from more of them. Government funding of science has been gutted in recent years. This would also include the need for engineers, psychologists, economists, and lawyers

Okay. Does society benefit from me having a car? After all, I would use that car to go to work and back, use that car to buy food for my family, so shouldn't government provide me with one? Does society benefit from me having a home; a place where I can live, a place to raise my family? Would society benefit from me having this internet? I can educate myself on the internet, look for a new job, buy things for my home?

What society can benefit from is the most pathetic excuse of them all. We still benefit from these people with those careers anyway. In fact, some careers have too many people in them already, such as a few you named above like psychologists, economists, and lawyers. They are all around us.

You have way too much all or nothing thinking about this. No the government shouldn’t provide you a car. However, a job should pay enough to where you can afford to buy one. If it doesn’t, the government needs to intervene for the sake of the common good.

And there you go again, supporting my point. Now you believe that government should dictate what an employer pays an employee. See how correct I am? You said the federal government doesn't make every decision for you, and yet you now say that government should dictate what employees should be paid. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Show me where in the US Constitution it says that this is a responsibility of the federal government our founders created.

I’m not supporting your point because the government simply doesn’t control your every decision. What you are referring to is totalitarianism which is waaayyy on the other end of the spectrum.

What I am saying is that government makes too many personal decisions in our life as it is. In spite of our differences, I appreciate that you have an open mind about this instead of a defensive stance. But I also want you to understand that the path you wish to take is the ultimate goal of the party to have a totalitarianism state. Much like terrorists, they take one step at a time. It's only a matter of when people like you say the line has been drawn.

 

[P@triot]

Billy000 - like all ignorant leftists - literally supports the policies that he claims to be against. And he doesn’t even realize it.

People who don’t attend college will spend their entire lives (repeat - their entire lives) paying for others to attend college. Thus, the poor will get poorer and the rich will get richer. It will be the greatest transfer of wealth from the low income to the upper class in world history.

Yes folks...Billy and his fellow parasites really are that dumb. And that is why they vote Dumbocrat.

 

[bluzman61]

it’s a phrase used by republicans to denigrate the left for wanting tuition free college or socialized healthcare, but they don’t really understand how these concepts are no different than programs already in place.

When a republican’s house is on fire or they need police assistance do they pay the responders personally? Uh no. They keep the “free shit”. You see, something like free tuition or socialized medicine are no different. All of these programs are paid for with tax payer revenue. Bernie, after all, has tax proposals to pay for his ideas.

I DO understand the concept of liberal lunatics like you being dumb motherf*ckers. YOU show how dumb you are with each and every post you make. It must be horrific to be as brainwashed and dumb as you appear to be. Please smarten up before you start another dumbass thread like this one. You're quite welcome.

 

[Billy000]

We would obviously benefit from more of them. Government funding of science has been gutted in recent years. This would also include the need for engineers, psychologists, economists, and lawyers

Okay. Does society benefit from me having a car? After all, I would use that car to go to work and back, use that car to buy food for my family, so shouldn't government provide me with one? Does society benefit from me having a home; a place where I can live, a place to raise my family? Would society benefit from me having this internet? I can educate myself on the internet, look for a new job, buy things for my home?

What society can benefit from is the most pathetic excuse of them all. We still benefit from these people with those careers anyway. In fact, some careers have too many people in them already, such as a few you named above like psychologists, economists, and lawyers. They are all around us.

You have way too much all or nothing thinking about this. No the government shouldn’t provide you a car. However, a job should pay enough to where you can afford to buy one. If it doesn’t, the government needs to intervene for the sake of the common good.

And there you go again, supporting my point. Now you believe that government should dictate what an employer pays an employee. See how correct I am? You said the federal government doesn't make every decision for you, and yet you now say that government should dictate what employees should be paid. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Show me where in the US Constitution it says that this is a responsibility of the federal government our founders created.

I’m not supporting your point because the government simply doesn’t control your every decision. What you are referring to is totalitarianism which is waaayyy on the other end of the spectrum.

What I am saying is that government makes too many personal decisions in our life as it is. In spite of our differences, I appreciate that you have an open mind about this instead of a defensive stance. But I also want you to understand that the path you wish to take is the ultimate goal of the party to have a totalitarianism state. Much like terrorists, they take one step at a time. It's only a matter of when people like you say the line has been drawn.

I’m glad we can have a civil discussion as well. Why do you assume totalitarianism is the goal of democrats? Based on what?

 

[P@triot]

When a republican’s house is on fire or they need police assistance do they pay the responders personally? Uh no. They keep the “free shit”. You see, something like free tuition or socialized medicine are no different.

They are entirely different. You see, I have absolutely 0 legal authority to enforce the law. I cannot write a parking ticket. I cannot serve a warrant. I cannot detain someone for questioning.

That unequivocally requires government. But I can go to my own doctor and pay for it myself. And I can pay for my own education.

Do you realize how stupid you sound yet?

 

[P@triot]

Lol you keep talking about supporting lazy bums when you really aren’t. The large majority of us pay taxes.

So then what is the problem? If you’re so successful and you’re paying all of these taxes, pay for your own fucking education and your own fucking healthcare. What’s the problem?

 

[P@triot]

Why do you assume totalitarianism is the goal of democrats? Based on what?

Based on the horrifically ugly history of the Dumbocrat Party.

 

[Issa]

it’s a phrase used by republicans to denigrate the left for wanting tuition free college or socialized healthcare, but they don’t really understand how these concepts are no different than programs already in place.

When a republican’s house is on fire or they need police assistance do they pay the responders personally? Uh no. They keep the “free shit”. You see, something like free tuition or socialized medicine are no different. All of these programs are paid for with tax payer revenue. Bernie, after all, has tax proposals to pay for his ideas.

They were brainwashed that their money shouldn't give them access to affordable higher education, healthcare.....they are ok with their money given away to defense contractors, Israel and golf trips.

 

[pknopp]

When are you going to step up.and start paying for the wars?

The defense of this country is outlined in the US Constitution. Free college is not.

Nowhere does it state that defense does not have to be paid for and education falls under "general welfare".

No, the general welfare clause means only those items listed in the Constitution. The Constitution charges our leaders with the defense of this country. In this day and age, that's impossible to do without funds.

The Constitution does not state that we do not have to pay for that defense. When are you going to stand up and start paying for it?

Those who argue for the education are willing to pay for it.

So how do you suppose we could defend this country without funding, throw rocks at the next fighter jet from China?

Pay for it.

 

[Lysistrata]

These crazy republicans keep talking about this "free shit." but I don't know what they are talking about. We pay into the system, we get what we need, education, police, fire, ambulance, food assistance, housing assistance, FEMA assistance when a flood or tornado strikes in our country. There is no such thing as "free stuff." When I see people standing in the ruins of their homes in Oklahoma, New Orleans, Houston, I have some comfort in knowing that help for them is on its way. I am dishearted by the treatment of our folks in Puerto Rico. What is this? Throw paper towels at them???? First thing for our government. Get everything to Puerto Rico.

"OUR FOLKS?"

wtf?! You hail from the common wealth. You don't have a voice in this conversation, butt out.

Who in the hell are you to tell me that I don't have a voice in this conversation? I will stand up for my fellow Americans who live in Puerto Rico. Moreover, I have a right under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution to say exactly what I please. I take it that you are one of those "Constitution" guys, but here you are telling this American citizen to shut up. If you are younger than I am, I was an American citizen before you were born.

 

[keepitreal]

it’s a phrase used by republicans to denigrate the left for wanting tuition free college or socialized healthcare, but they don’t really understand how these concepts are no different than programs already in place.

When a republican’s house is on fire or they need police assistance do they pay the responders personally? Uh no. They keep the “free shit”. You see, something like free tuition or socialized medicine are no different. All of these programs are paid for with tax payer revenue. Bernie, after all, has tax proposals to pay for his ideas.

Then they should refund the cost of tuition and medical bills
people have had to shell out

 

[pknopp]

When a republican’s house is on fire or they need police assistance do they pay the responders personally? Uh no. They keep the “free shit”. You see, something like free tuition or socialized medicine are no different.

They are entirely different. You see, I have absolutely 0 legal authority to enforce the law. I cannot write a parking ticket. I cannot serve a warrant. I cannot detain someone for questioning.

That unequivocally requires government. But I can go to my own doctor and pay for it myself. And I can pay for my own education.

Do you realize how stupid you sound yet?

Very few can pay for this on their own. Maybe at best a fraction of a percent. Humans are designed to reproduce when they are still young. People could not afford to send their children off to get an education and still maintain everything else that a household required.

I seriously doubt that if you got cancer or needed a transplant that you are going to pay for that out of pocket.

 

[Billy000]

When a republican’s house is on fire or they need police assistance do they pay the responders personally? Uh no. They keep the “free shit”. You see, something like free tuition or socialized medicine are no different.

They are entirely different. You see, I have absolutely 0 legal authority to enforce the law. I cannot write a parking ticket. I cannot serve a warrant. I cannot detain someone for questioning.

That unequivocally requires government. But I can go to my own doctor and pay for it myself. And I can pay for my own education.

Do you realize how stupid you sound yet?

Lol no one cares what your dumbass does. The point is, the poor by and large can’t afford adequate healthcare or higher education. Jobs that provide decent health insurance are few and far between so millions of people will inevitably be working shitty paying jobs.

 

[Billy000]

Lol you keep talking about supporting lazy bums when you really aren’t. The large majority of us pay taxes.

So then what is the problem? If you’re so successful and you’re paying all of these taxes, pay for your own fucking education and your own fucking healthcare. What’s the problem?

Uh because idiot the large majority of people can’t afford college unless they take out loans they can never pay back.