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    Republicans Lie All the Time, About Everything: Health Care Edition
    March 14, 2010

    Paul Krugman writes:

    Bizarro Health Reform Arguments: As health reform moves to its final, make or break vote... Republicans are still denouncing it as a vast, evil government takeover. But they have a problem: Obamacare is very much like the Massachusetts health reform, which was not only implemented by a Republican governor, but by a governor who is a serious contender for the 2012 presidential nomination. So they insist that the two plans have nothing in common — but the only real difference they can point to is that Massachusetts didn’t fund its plan in part out of Medicare savings....

    [T]hink about this a bit more: Republicans are saying that what makes Obamacare a socialist takeover, whereas Romneycare wasn’t, is the fact that unlike Romney’s plan, Obama’s plan cuts government spending.
    Oh, Kay.

    The United States’s health care system right now wastes about $1,000,000,000,000 a year, in that we spend much more money than other North Atlantic economies and yet have a health care system that does rather less on average to cure disease and ensure long and healthy lives. $400,000,000,000 a year of this comes from higher doctors’ salaries health care providers' incomes in the U.S. relative to average wages in the country. $300,000,000,000 a year of this comes from unnecessary, inappropriate, ineffective, and positively harmful care prescribed by doctors who fear malpractice liability, have sweetheart deals with those entities with which they subcontract, or simply do not know what treatment protocols are worth doing. $300,000,000,000 a year is spent in administration as insurance companies play the game of trying to pass the costs of paying for treatment of the sick off to somebody else.

    When he was Governor of Massachusetts, Republican politician Mitt Romney constructed--and passed with bipartisan support--a health care plan. Now Barack Obama has thrown his weight behind a Senate health care bill that is, in its essentials, Mitt Romney’s health care plan. Yet this plan may well not pass because it will not get a single Republican vote in the Senate--even though the only reason the new Republican Senator from Massachusetts, Scott Brown, can think of for voting against it is that it doesn’t do anything for the voters of Massachusetts because Mitt Romney already got them everything it does.
     
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    Paul Krugman is not exactly the Ultimate Source of Veracity.
     
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    How is opposing what we know is bad policy bad?

    Do you understand that there is a difference between what States can do and what the Federal government can do right?

    You see, the States arent limited by the Federal Constitution the way the Federal Government is. Congress has only limited powers. Controling Health care isn't one of them. It will never be made one of them. This will always be an illegal seizure of power.

    States on the other hand, can do as they please for the most part. The state of Massachusetts passed their health care. They regret it now, but they passed it. That's there problem to deal with.

    This is a socialist takeover of the Federal government. I don't care if Massachusetts as a state goes socialist or not. But the Federal government must not.
     
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    I thought lying was against their religion or something. Hmm, guess not.
     
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    HUH-- Da Duh Da Duh--did you hear what the DEMOCRAT State Treasurer of Massachusetts stated about their health care?---::


    Indy Mass. governor candidate says healthcare bill will bankrupt country
    By Aaron Blake - 03/16/10 12:38 PM ET
    This doesn't bode well for the Democrats' health care bill.

    After watching Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.) win a special election by opposing the health care bill, now independent Massachusetts governor candidate Tim Cahill is coming out against it too -- in a very forceful way.


    Indy Mass. governor candidate says healthcare bill will bankrupt country - The Hill's Ballot Box.


    Here's another from the Democrat Governor of Massachusetts:



    Massachusetts Flirts With Healthcare Price Controls -- a Bad Idea, If an Understandable One | BNET Health Care Blog | BNET

    You know if you're going to "tout" Massachusetts health care plan--you should probably realise that the citizens of Massachusetts HATE IT. They can't get in to see a doctor, the doctors are loosing money hand over fist--& patients end up in expensive emergency rooms for minor problems--because they can't get in to see a doctor--basically bankrupting the state of Massachusetts. All of this was on a special program not too long ago.
     
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    Krugman is the biggest fucking moron ever. I don't think he's every gotten a single thing right, well maybe spelling his own name
     
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    Tell me more about these 3,000% savings by switching to ObamaCare
     
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    :lol::lol::lol: REALLY---Here we have DEMOCRAT Dick Derbin telling us--just last week--that health care premiums will rise with Obamacare--

    So do we have DEMOCRATS lying now? Geez--these LIBERALS are getting too EASY to debate.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7QAci-XWHY]YouTube - Durbin Admits Premiums Will Go Up If Health Care Bill Is Passed[/ame]
     
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    And Democrats never lie?
     
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    This healthcare bill, with it's mandate but no public option is a FAR CRY from a socialist takeover of the federal gov't. It's a huge boon to the private insurance agency.
     
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