Republicans, I have a feeling...

[SniperFire]

Please explain the connection.

Why make getting on an airplane any more difficult than it has to be?

Proving my point, exactly.

I see you cannot muster a cogent reply.

LOL

 

[idb]

Please explain the connection.

Why make getting on an airplane any more difficult than it has to be?

Proving my point, exactly.

Hmmm....and it is a point well made, sir.

 

[JoeB131]

Why make getting on an airplane any more difficult than it has to be?

Proving my point, exactly.

I see you cannot muster a cogent reply.

LOL

To what?

There have been proof of terrorists, the have been proof of kids buying beer.

There's been no proof of voter fraud in any meaningful way.

Policy Brief on the Truth About “Voter Fraud” | Brennan Center for Justice

Because voter fraud is essentially irrational, it is not surprising that no credible evidence suggests a voter fraud epidemic. There is no documented wave or trend of individuals voting multiple times, voting as someone else, or voting despite knowing that they are ineligible. Indeed, evidence from the microscopically scrutinized 2004 gubernatorial election in Washington State actually reveals just the opposite: though voter fraud does happen, it happens approximately 0.0009% of the time. The similarly closely-analyzed 2004 election in Ohio revealed a voter fraud rate of 0.00004%. National Weather Service data shows that Americans are struck and killed by lightning about as often.

 

[SniperFire]

Proving my point, exactly.

I see you cannot muster a cogent reply.

LOL

To what?

There have been proof of terrorists, the have been proof of kids buying beer.

There's been no proof of voter fraud in any meaningful way.

Policy Brief on the Truth About “Voter Fraud” | Brennan Center for Justice

Because voter fraud is essentially irrational, it is not surprising that no credible evidence suggests a voter fraud epidemic. There is no documented wave or trend of individuals voting multiple times, voting as someone else, or voting despite knowing that they are ineligible. Indeed, evidence from the microscopically scrutinized 2004 gubernatorial election in Washington State actually reveals just the opposite: though voter fraud does happen, it happens approximately 0.0009% of the time. The similarly closely-analyzed 2004 election in Ohio revealed a voter fraud rate of 0.00004%. National Weather Service data shows that Americans are struck and killed by lightning about as often.

Hilarious!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[TakeAStepBack]

What stupid hypocracy we see here. The Republican leaders are at least a bit more honest. They admit that the whole purpose of the laws are to disenfranchise people in order to win elections.

Judge Upholds Penn. Voter ID Law; GOP Admits Law Designed to "Allow" Mitt Romney to "Win the State"

On Wednesday, a Pennsylvania judge upheld a controversial voter ID law that critics say could disqualify hundreds of thousands of voters. Republican lawmakers have openly admitted the law was designed to impact the result of the November election. In June, Pennsylvania House Majority Leader Mike Turzai listed off a number of legislative accomplishments. "Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania: Done," Turzai said. Meanwhile, Florida, New Mexico and other states are being accused of purging voters ahead of the election. "Whenever states determine that they want to purge their rolls or clean up their rolls, it takes time. It has to be done efficiently and effectively. And waiting to do so so very close up to an election always raises concerns about why a state is doing it so close to an election," says Nicole Austin-Hillery of the Brennan Center for Justice. "We’re always concerned about errors and the fact that innocent people, individuals who are indeed eligible registered voters, we’re always worried about whether those people may be erroneously kicked off the rolls."

You do realize, Libtard, that you just admitted Democrats engage in mass voter fraud?

LOL

Not at all. What was pointed out was an effort to disenfranchise voters that might vote against the GOP. And the fact that the GOP is quite willing to deny Americans the most basic right, that of voting, to fellow Americans in order to win elections.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

WASHINGTON, April 11 — Five years after the Bush administration began a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews.

Which demographic of voters would be deterred from voting based on having to show ID?
What exactly are you saying here about these might be voters? That they don't have ID or can not attain access to it?

 

[SniperFire]

Really, why do we need identification at all in America?


LOL

 

[beretta304]

I strongly disagree that "most" have good intentions! Some, maybe, but not "most"...

And "most" of them are too stupid to even know what they're talking about.

Hey, Running Toilet Water, the only ones against I.D. are the ones up to something nefarious.

I think this is what the OP is really referring to;

Pennsylvania admits it: no voter fraud problem
By Jamelle Bouie

A court filing by the state of Pennsylvania, ahead of a trial starting later this week on a lawsuit filed by civil rights groups against the state’s new voter fraud law, contains an astounding admission:

The state signed a stipulation agreement with lawyers for the plaintiffs which acknowledges there “have been no investigations or prosecutions of in-person voter fraud in Pennsylvania; and the parties do not have direct personal knowledge of any such investigations or prosecutions in other states.”

In other words, the state knows that voter fraud is a nonexistent problem, but will nonetheless defend a law that could potentially disenfranchise a huge number of the state’s voters. Of course, it’s not hard to see why the state — and particularly its Republican governor — would continue to support the measure.

The Pennsylvania voter identification law — passed several months ago by state Republicans — is one of the strictest in the country. Under the law, voters are required to show an unexpired government-issued ID. If an ID is not issued by either the state of Pennsylvania or the federal government, then it will not be accepted (for instance, student IDs from schools outside of the state). If you do not have an ID, you can receive a free one as long as you have a Social Security card, official birth certificate, and two proofs of residency.

Pennsylvania admits it: no voter fraud problem - The Plum Line - The Washington Post

and this

But one of Pennsylvania’s top Republican leaders may have tipped his hand this weekend when he suggested to a meeting of Republican officials that the purpose of voter ID laws is to help his party’s presidential nominee win. PoliticsPA’s Kelly Cernetich quoted state House Majority Leader Mike Turzai at the Republican State Committee meeting:

He mentioned the law among a laundry list of accomplishments made by the GOP-run legislature. “Pro-Second Amendment? The Castle Doctrine, it’s done. First pro-life legislation – abortion facility regulations – in 22 years, done. Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done.”

Penn. Republican: Voter ID will help Romney win - Salon.com

The I.D. won't help him win, The fact that requiring I.D. might prevent the Dems from cheating. Their cats, logs, felons and dead grandparents might not be able to vote...what a pity...an honest election.

 

[SniperFire]

You do realize, Libtard, that you just admitted Democrats engage in mass voter fraud?

LOL

Not at all. What was pointed out was an effort to disenfranchise voters that might vote against the GOP. And the fact that the GOP is quite willing to deny Americans the most basic right, that of voting, to fellow Americans in order to win elections.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

WASHINGTON, April 11 — Five years after the Bush administration began a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews.

Which demographic of voters would be deterred from voting based on having to show ID?
What exactly are you saying here about these might be voters? That they don't have ID or can not attain access to it?

The illegal voters, of course!

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Essentially, what you're saying are dumb sheep on the dole or criminals we be deterred from voting in favor of democrats based on showing ID. If this base of voters was truly disenfranchised, they would make the proper arrangements to vote against the party pushing such a law. All you're really saying is what everyone besides LOLberals have been saying for decades. Democrat vote base is the parasite class looking for free shit.

 

[JoeB131]

Really, why do we need identification at all in America?


LOL

Why do we?

Guy, this isn't about vote fraud, it's about trying to keep poor people from voting because they are more likely to say, "Socialism, Fuck, yeah!"

Now maybe instead of trying to find ways to keep them from voting (because they will fail), how about finding ways to make Capitalism work for them?

 

[SniperFire]

Proving my point, exactly.

I see you cannot muster a cogent reply.

LOL

To what?

There have been proof of terrorists, the have been proof of kids buying beer.

There's been no proof of voter fraud in any meaningful way.

Policy Brief on the Truth About “Voter Fraud” | Brennan Center for Justice

Because voter fraud is essentially irrational, it is not surprising that no credible evidence suggests a voter fraud epidemic. There is no documented wave or trend of individuals voting multiple times, voting as someone else, or voting despite knowing that they are ineligible. Indeed, evidence from the microscopically scrutinized 2004 gubernatorial election in Washington State actually reveals just the opposite: though voter fraud does happen, it happens approximately 0.0009% of the time. The similarly closely-analyzed 2004 election in Ohio revealed a voter fraud rate of 0.00004%. National Weather Service data shows that Americans are struck and killed by lightning about as often.

Have there ever been elections decided by a few votes?

 

[JoeB131]

Essentially, what you're saying are dumb sheep on the dole or criminals we be deterred from voting in favor of democrats based on showing ID. If this base of voters was truly disenfranchised, they would make the proper arrangements to vote against the party pushing such a law. All you're really saying is what everyone besides LOLberals have been saying for decades. Democrat vote base is the parasite class looking for free shit.

Yup. You guys have created a parasite class by destroying the middle class...

 

[SniperFire]

Essentially, what you're saying are dumb sheep on the dole or criminals we be deterred from voting in favor of democrats based on showing ID. If this base of voters was truly disenfranchised, they would make the proper arrangements to vote against the party pushing such a law. All you're really saying is what everyone besides LOLberals have been saying for decades. Democrat vote base is the parasite class looking for free shit.

Yup. You guys have created a parasite class by destroying the middle class...

More likely, the 'middle class' was destroyed by all of you liberals who, as a group, are the least likely demographic to purchase an America union made product.

 

[JoeB131]

I see you cannot muster a cogent reply.

LOL

To what?

There have been proof of terrorists, the have been proof of kids buying beer.

There's been no proof of voter fraud in any meaningful way.

Policy Brief on the Truth About “Voter Fraud” | Brennan Center for Justice

Because voter fraud is essentially irrational, it is not surprising that no credible evidence suggests a voter fraud epidemic. There is no documented wave or trend of individuals voting multiple times, voting as someone else, or voting despite knowing that they are ineligible. Indeed, evidence from the microscopically scrutinized 2004 gubernatorial election in Washington State actually reveals just the opposite: though voter fraud does happen, it happens approximately 0.0009% of the time. The similarly closely-analyzed 2004 election in Ohio revealed a voter fraud rate of 0.00004%. National Weather Service data shows that Americans are struck and killed by lightning about as often.

Have there ever been elections decided by a few votes?

Not that few... certainly not to the degree you guys are carrying on.

Here's the thing, how many people are you willing to disenfranchise who were perfectly entitled to vote to get the one imaginary fraudulent voter?

Or is that the plan all along?

It isn't the people who shouldn't be voting you are worried about.

It's the people who should be voting and have no reason to vote your way.

At least be honest enough to admit that's your goal.

You don't want poor people voting.

 

[JoeB131]

Essentially, what you're saying are dumb sheep on the dole or criminals we be deterred from voting in favor of democrats based on showing ID. If this base of voters was truly disenfranchised, they would make the proper arrangements to vote against the party pushing such a law. All you're really saying is what everyone besides LOLberals have been saying for decades. Democrat vote base is the parasite class looking for free shit.

Yup. You guys have created a parasite class by destroying the middle class...

More likely, the 'middle class' was destroyed by all of you liberals who, as a group, are the least likely demographic to purchase an America union made product.

Oh, that tired argument again?

 

[daveman]

most of you have good intentions when it comes to this voter fraud issue. I dont think many of you truly want to suppress any American voter.

However, In my eyes, I have to say this current push to require a voter ID is just silly.

First off, there are no massive accounts of voter fraud to speak of. In a system such as our, anomalies will occur from time to time. I just dont think this is the best way to deal with voter fraud. If voter fraud is even truly a issue hampering our elections.

I spend a lot of time over seas, mainly on Ascension Island, Antigua, Grand Bahama and many other islands. My time over seas is work related. My concern is for my friends who live at these USAF bases over seas and return home to vote. How can they have the time to get a ID say if there's is no longer valid. I just dont see how these laws help. god forbid if any of my friends return home and hove this issue. what a heart breaker.

Speaking from experience, a know about two dozen people who flew home just to vote in 2008, a day before the election and then flew back to work. Shame if any of these people get shafted by these new laws. I see that as extremely unAmerican.

Ahem.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...r-the-outcome-of-the-mn-2008-senate-race.html

 

[idb]

I see you cannot muster a cogent reply.

LOL

To what?

There have been proof of terrorists, the have been proof of kids buying beer.

There's been no proof of voter fraud in any meaningful way.

Policy Brief on the Truth About “Voter Fraud” | Brennan Center for Justice

Because voter fraud is essentially irrational, it is not surprising that no credible evidence suggests a voter fraud epidemic. There is no documented wave or trend of individuals voting multiple times, voting as someone else, or voting despite knowing that they are ineligible. Indeed, evidence from the microscopically scrutinized 2004 gubernatorial election in Washington State actually reveals just the opposite: though voter fraud does happen, it happens approximately 0.0009% of the time. The similarly closely-analyzed 2004 election in Ohio revealed a voter fraud rate of 0.00004%. National Weather Service data shows that Americans are struck and killed by lightning about as often.

Hilarious!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Are you 13 years old?
Sheesh!!!

 

[TakeAStepBack]

You guys?

LOL.

The entitlement, "you're too stupid to be left alone from government nanny statism" political class, which is the representation of the parasitical entitlement group created this problem. Both dem and repub. But to argue what Old Rocks is trying to argue is revealing to what has been stated and viewed in plain day for years.

 

[SniperFire]

To what?

There have been proof of terrorists, the have been proof of kids buying beer.

There's been no proof of voter fraud in any meaningful way.

Policy Brief on the Truth About “Voter Fraud” | Brennan Center for Justice

Have there ever been elections decided by a few votes?

Not that few... certainly not to the degree you guys are carrying on.

Here's the thing, how many people are you willing to disenfranchise who were perfectly entitled to vote to get the one imaginary fraudulent voter?

Or is that the plan all along?

It isn't the people who shouldn't be voting you are worried about.

It's the people who should be voting and have no reason to vote your way.

At least be honest enough to admit that's your goal.

You don't want poor people voting.

Fail. Elections and issues are often decided by a few votes, particularly local ones.

Your appeal to permit dishonest elections is rather disgusting, but, then again, you are a Liberal and little is expected from you.

 

[daveman]

I felt like firing a shot across the deck early on would one set people on the defensive. I wanted a good, rational discussion w/o name calling. I know that's asking a lot but worth a try.


I just hate to see any American turned away form the polls because of these new laws. All one should require is a voter card that we all have, thats it.

As I've repeatedly asked, and never gotten a satisfactory answer:

How do you know the person who registered is the person who's voting?