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[Vidi]

If you mean their salaries come out of the private economy, it's not a fallacy. it's an indisputable fact.



Uh?

Their salaries reenter the private economy when they purchase goods and services.

That money would enter the economy anyway.

Are you really that stupid ?

Are you?

The government collects taxes then spends it providing us with teachers, police, firefighters, soldiers.

Are you so foolish as to believe we don't need these things?

 

[bripat9643]

EVERY job grows the economy. EVERY LAST ONE. It doesnt matter who the employer is. As long as someone is drawing a paycheck and spending money on goods and services, the economy grows.



PERIOD.

No, it doesn't.

I"ll tell you what. You hook an alternator up to charge a battery on an electric vehicle. Start the vehicle and then try to run forever on just the alternator and battery that is being charged.

When you are done, explain to Me and the rest of the class why it is that the battery was unable to continue to power the car.

Anyone?

The second law of thermodynamics says perpetual motion machines are impossible.

 

[Listening]

Their salaries reenter the private economy when they purchase goods and services.

That money would enter the economy anyway.

Are you really that stupid ?

Are you?

The government collects taxes then spends it providing us with teachers, police, firefighters, soldiers.

Are you so foolish as to believe we don't need these things?

How does that apply to the argument ?

We have them because we need them. Not just to stimulate the economy. There is a reason we don't pay them stupidly high salaries (although they deserve more than they get IMO).

Please try to keep up.

 

[BDBoop]

They literally hide the House Bill number. I'm still looking.

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[salem.hills]

Its really quite sad a lot of the intellectual liberals don't even understand the basics of business and who pays for government jobs errr an pensions

 

[bripat9643]

Youre buying into the fallacy that government employee salaries take OUT of the economy.

If you mean their salaries come out of the private economy, it's not a fallacy. it's an indisputable fact.

If that were true, the ONLY economic factor would be government and private industry would be moot.

Uh?

Their salaries reenter the private economy when they purchase goods and services.

You mean worthless scraps of paper reenter the private economy. Real goods and services are all that matters, and they are producing none. Private sector jobs produce something of value. Government workers suck real goods and services from the private sector and return nothing.

 

[bripat9643]

Their salaries reenter the private economy when they purchase goods and services.

That money would enter the economy anyway.

Are you really that stupid ?

Are you?

The government collects taxes then spends it providing us with teachers, police, firefighters, soldiers.

Are you so foolish as to believe we don't need these things?

The teachers don't teach, so they provide us with nothing. Most of the money goes to parasites of one form or another.

 

[Lakhota]

I find it hilarious when wingnuts say that government doesn't produce anything.

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[Darkwind]

No, it doesn't.

I"ll tell you what. You hook an alternator up to charge a battery on an electric vehicle. Start the vehicle and then try to run forever on just the alternator and battery that is being charged.

When you are done, explain to Me and the rest of the class why it is that the battery was unable to continue to power the car.

Anyone?

The second law of thermodynamics says perpetual motion machines are impossible.

Thats right, because the energy put into the system will always be a bit less than the energy taken out of the system. Therefore, the system winds down to a halt.

The same for government. When the employees wages of government exceed the willingness or ability of the private sector to support it, it will slowly wind down to a halt.

Now, it can be sustained if we always have more to put in than is taken out. That means if we have just the bare essentials, we can keep government running indefinitely.

The moment that more jobs are added, the more that the system moves to the negative from the positive.

We need defense and some structure that interacts with the world at large, but for the most part, federal government should be the least of the energy expenditures in this country.

 

[Darkwind]

I find it hilarious when wingnuts say that government doesn't produce anything.

How Government Helps Us

Government is Good - A Day in Your Life

Government is Good - Why We Need More, Not Less, Government

Your doctor does provide something...He is a business, and performs a service that you want and need. His activities do not take from the economic model.

Government does.

You should know this. this is economy 001.

 

[Vidi]

Anyone?

The second law of thermodynamics says perpetual motion machines are impossible.

Thats right, because the energy put into the system will always be a bit less than the energy taken out of the system. Therefore, the system winds down to a halt.

The same for government. When the employees wages of government exceed the willingness or ability of the private sector to support it, it will slowly wind down to a halt.

Now, it can be sustained if we always have more to put in than is taken out. That means if we have just the bare essentials, we can keep government running indefinitely.

The moment that more jobs are added, the more that the system moves to the negative from the positive. We need defense and some structure that interacts with the world at large, but for the most part, federal government should be the least of the energy expenditures in this country.

See the bolded portion of your post for your answer

 

[bripat9643]

I find it hilarious when wingnuts say that government doesn't produce anything.

How Government Helps Us

Government is Good - A Day in Your Life

Government is Good - Why We Need More, Not Less, Government

You doctor definitely does produce something: life saving medical care. However, most government workers produce nothing anyone would pay for voluntarily. What does the bureaucrat at the Dept of Agriculture produce? In fact, what does your typical public school teacher produce, education? Nope, the produce political indoctrination and feel-good psycho-babble.

 

[Lakhota]

Anyone?

The second law of thermodynamics says perpetual motion machines are impossible.

Thats right, because the energy put into the system will always be a bit less than the energy taken out of the system. Therefore, the system winds down to a halt.

The same for government. When the employees wages of government exceed the willingness or ability of the private sector to support it, it will slowly wind down to a halt.

Now, it can be sustained if we always have more to put in than is taken out. That means if we have just the bare essentials, we can keep government running indefinitely.

The moment that more jobs are added, the more that the system moves to the negative from the positive.

We need defense and some structure that interacts with the world at large, but for the most part, federal government should be the least of the energy expenditures in this country.

We're talking about people - not machines.

 

[Vidi]

That money would enter the economy anyway.

Are you really that stupid ?

Are you?

The government collects taxes then spends it providing us with teachers, police, firefighters, soldiers.

Are you so foolish as to believe we don't need these things?

The teachers don't teach, so they provide us with nothing. Most of the money goes to parasites of one form or another.

the fact that you think teachers, police, firefighters and soldiers are parasites shows you have nothing of value to offer to the conversation.

 

[Darkwind]

The second law of thermodynamics says perpetual motion machines are impossible.

Thats right, because the energy put into the system will always be a bit less than the energy taken out of the system. Therefore, the system winds down to a halt.

The same for government. When the employees wages of government exceed the willingness or ability of the private sector to support it, it will slowly wind down to a halt.

Now, it can be sustained if we always have more to put in than is taken out. That means if we have just the bare essentials, we can keep government running indefinitely.

The moment that more jobs are added, the more that the system moves to the negative from the positive. We need defense and some structure that interacts with the world at large, but for the most part, federal government should be the least of the energy expenditures in this country.

See the bolded portion of your post for your answer

Thats right. We are already at that point. But the bigger issue is this. Government takes more energy than it returns. To say that all jobs are equal and provide is wrong. Some jobs actually detract from the overall benefit to the economy. Because they take from the taxpayer, and what they return is less than what they take, it is a negative.

Since government does not provide a tangible good, it does not pay for itself and therefore, must be a parasite on the host. Guess who is the host?

Eventually, the system will wind down and kill everyone. Unless we take care to control it and keep it from becoming an over-bloated parasite.

 

[SniperFire]

The second law of thermodynamics says perpetual motion machines are impossible.

Thats right, because the energy put into the system will always be a bit less than the energy taken out of the system. Therefore, the system winds down to a halt.

The same for government. When the employees wages of government exceed the willingness or ability of the private sector to support it, it will slowly wind down to a halt.

Now, it can be sustained if we always have more to put in than is taken out. That means if we have just the bare essentials, we can keep government running indefinitely.

The moment that more jobs are added, the more that the system moves to the negative from the positive.

We need defense and some structure that interacts with the world at large, but for the most part, federal government should be the least of the energy expenditures in this country.

We're talking about people - not machines.

You are talking about freeloading.

 

[whitehall]

For the 100 and one time lefties..federal jobs do not grow the economy. The federal government is not an employment agency. Transportation seems to be working OK so it seems that that I don't have to shell out a percentage of my personal wealth to finance jobs that we don't freaking need.

EVERY job grows the economy. EVERY LAST ONE. It doesnt matter who the employer is. As long as someone is drawing a paycheck and spending money on goods and services, the economy grows.



PERIOD.

Here we go, Vidi thinks that taxpayer funded jobs grow the economy "because the money that taxpayer funded jobs earn goes back into the economy". I rest my case about the dumbing down of American (or foreign) education.

 

[Darkwind]

Are you?

The government collects taxes then spends it providing us with teachers, police, firefighters, soldiers.

Are you so foolish as to believe we don't need these things?

The teachers don't teach, so they provide us with nothing. Most of the money goes to parasites of one form or another.

the fact that you think teachers, police, firefighters and soldiers are parasites shows you have nothing of value to offer to the conversation.

Are you ten years old?

Teachers, police, and firefighters are a product of the local communities and not of the federal government. The energy they sap from the system is so miniscule as to be negligent when compared to the Feds.

Your bogyman wants to be retired soon.

There are literally thousands of other drains on the people though the government that are not fire, police and teachers.

But you do not want to talk about the drain on energy they have, do you?

 

[Avorysuds]

So why does no Government on the planet employ 100% of the population and pay them well yet? Seems like there no down side...

 

[bripat9643]

Are you?

The government collects taxes then spends it providing us with teachers, police, firefighters, soldiers.

Are you so foolish as to believe we don't need these things?

The teachers don't teach, so they provide us with nothing. Most of the money goes to parasites of one form or another.

the fact that you think teachers, police, firefighters and soldiers are parasites shows you have nothing of value to offer to the conversation.

Most public school teachers are no better than parasites. They don't teach. Kids leave school totally ignorant. Many of them can't even read. Every public school teachers know parents would send their kids elsewhere if the taxpayers didn't have to pay for the swill they dish out.

Soldiers do provide a valuable services: protection from foreign predators. Policemen and firemen are grossly overpaid for the poor service they provide, but at least they provide something of value. However, their salaries consume a tiny fraction of government spending. The vast bulk of it goes to provide sustenance for parasites.