Republicans get government out of their lives in Indiana

[OohPooPahDoo]

NPR and a Government Worker blaming everything on Tax Cuts? Gee what a surprise. Fire this guy immediately. He's exactly what's wrong with our Public Schools. This man should have never been allowed to advance to such a high-level management position. He's the one who helped bankrupt Public Schools and Indiana in the first place. So why is he still in charge of anything? And i'll bet anything he belongs to a Teacher Union too. These cuts had to be made because of nitwits like him. NPR of course failed to point that out. They should have asked why these cuts had to be made. NPR as usual took the one-sided Left Wing slant. They should have explored the issue completely and from both sides. That's why i stopped listening to NPR. They are clearly onboard with the Left/Democrat agenda.

Well that's brilliant. Tell a guy he has to come up with a way to cut 36% off the schools budget - and then when he does it - fire him. Is that the sort of strategy the right intends to apply nationwide?

 

[Vaard]

Paid for with what exactly? Do the public schools in "massachussettes" get by without revenue from the public?

their school busing gets by without any taxpayer funding....... at least the town i live in did........ which is why i paid 300/year for each kid to have them bused to school.......

But why exactly should others have been paying for your kids to get an education at all?

and we are back to the beginning fo this circle.......

i will sum up my argument one final time and if you want to keep plaing the circle game, i will leave you to it......

i support public education, i support my taxes going to provide that education.....

i did not support having my taxes being used for funding transportation, clothing, personal supplies, food and other incidentials that go along with that education.......

i believe there is a certain point where the responsibility rests on the family that decided to have kids and the public in helping educate them and that is there my point lies.......

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Why not cut the politicians salaries and use the money saved for busing?

Name them and tell us how much of their salary to cut.

And why would I be familiar with all the politicians from Indiana or their salaries?

Because you'd have to have done that sort of research to be able to make the claim that cutting said politicians' salaries would cover the 36% cut in the schools - or if not, by how much it would cover.

In other words - the only way you could not be just completely bullshitting is if you actually did a little bit of research.

Are you just bullshitting?

If not - please tell us which officials in Franklin should have their salaries docked and by how much.

 

[Listening]

This is the kind of thing I like to read about.

This was a choice made by voters in a specific area.

Some consider education a right. I say that if that is the case then I want to know what "an education" is. My sociology teachers all agreed that school was nothing but organized babysitting that formed up during the industrial revolution. How many doctors offices get calls from parents to give their kids drugs....not so feverish Sally can stay up with her math....but so that mom won't miss work ?

So, having made those choices, lets see how that plays out.

If I have to pay to bus your kid to school, then I want to see the tests he is going to take and I want some say in his cirruculum (and yes, I know my spelling is awful). All kids would have chemistry, physics and trig before the graduate. They would also be able to compute interest on a credit card and balance a checking account. If they don't pass those tests, they get pulled behind the bus and they don't graduate until they do. Hows that for intrusion.

Let Indiana deal with Indiana.

 

[Listening]

their school busing gets by without any taxpayer funding....... at least the town i live in did........ which is why i paid 300/year for each kid to have them bused to school.......

But why exactly should others have been paying for your kids to get an education at all?

and we are back to the beginning fo this circle.......

i will sum up my argument one final time and if you want to keep plaing the circle game, i will leave you to it......

i support public education, i support my taxes going to provide that education.....

i did not support having my taxes being used for funding transportation, clothing, personal supplies, food and other incidentials that go along with that education.......

i believe there is a certain point where the responsibility rests on the family that decided to have kids and the public in helping educate them and that is there my point lies.......

While I agree with you, I would also frame it this way.

IF I have to pay for those things, any kid who takes advantage of them will have a certain quality of life at home. If parents think they be crackwhores and keep little billy around to let the schools fix his mental problems....forget it.

No open and unaccountable checks.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

their school busing gets by without any taxpayer funding....... at least the town i live in did........ which is why i paid 300/year for each kid to have them bused to school.......

But why exactly should others have been paying for your kids to get an education at all?

and we are back to the beginning fo this circle.......

i will sum up my argument one final time and if you want to keep plaing the circle game, i will leave you to it......

i support public education, i support my taxes going to provide that education.....

i did not support having my taxes being used for funding transportation, clothing, personal supplies, food and other incidentials that go along with that education.......

i believe there is a certain point where the responsibility rests on the family that decided to have kids and the public in helping educate them and that is there my point lies.......

So basically, you believe that kids should get from public aid exactly what your kids got and believe they should not get from the public exactly what your kids did not get from the public....


Tell me - what if you had no kids and for years your taxes paid for busing for other kids - and then you have some kids and by coincidence just about that time, the rules change and now you've got to pay for it? That'd be cool for you?


Where did you live in Mass exactly?

 

[Listening]

good.... why should poperty owners with no kids... or kids who do not use the school bus.. have to pay for the rest of those who do?

and it wasnt "free" bus shuttling"... it was being paid for by alot of people who never could use the service.......

Because educating children is the future of America?

How come the right wing hates this country.

Remember JFK, "Ask not....."

Oh this is a classic.

School <> Education.

 

[paulitician]

NPR and a Government Worker blaming everything on Tax Cuts? Gee what a surprise. Fire this guy immediately. He's exactly what's wrong with our Public Schools. This man should have never been allowed to advance to such a high-level management position. He's the one who helped bankrupt Public Schools and Indiana in the first place. So why is he still in charge of anything? And i'll bet anything he belongs to a Teacher Union too. These cuts had to be made because of nitwits like him. NPR of course failed to point that out. They should have asked why these cuts had to be made. NPR as usual took the one-sided Left Wing slant. They should have explored the issue completely and from both sides. That's why i stopped listening to NPR. They are clearly onboard with the Left/Democrat agenda.

Well that's brilliant. Tell a guy he has to come up with a way to cut 36% off the schools budget - and then when he does it - fire him. Is that the sort of strategy the right intends to apply nationwide?

He was the problem in the first place. NPR should have explored why these cuts had to be made. But as usual they took the one-side approach. That's why i gave up on them. They're clearly in the tank for the Left/Democrats. There are always two sides to every story. This is just more bad journalism from NPR. Nitwits like this guy are the ones who have helped destroy our Public School System.

 

[oreo]

Some folks in Indiana are getting what they asked for. They gave a tax cut to property owners - now they have to pay 40-50 bucks a month to bus their kids to school.

Great job righties!

In Indiana, Some Buses Stop Shuttling Kids For Free : NPR

In the past, property taxes covered the cost of busing students. But last November, Indiana voters overwhelmingly passed a cap on the state's property tax rate. That's kinked the revenue stream that districts across the state use to maintain their buildings, pay down debt and keep buses on the roads. Proponents of the plan argued that it would force districts to budget based on revenues, not expenditures &#8212; and learn to do more with less.

"Do more with less means cut transportation," says Franklin Township Superintendent Walter Bourke. "That's what that means for us."

$40-$50 bucks per month averages out to about $2.50 per day to get your kid back and forth to school. Sometimes--in rural areas you're talking 20 miles one way.
We had to do it in our county--now parents who have their kids ride the bus pay $100.00 per year. And it's well worth it.

All schools across this country are having to cut their budgets. Property values have collapsed--henceforth--property taxes should be based on new assessed values--and NOT when values were high.

And no matter what an additional $2.50 per day-for a bus ride----is a lot easier to take than laying of needed teachers to meet school budgets.

 

[Vaard]

But why exactly should others have been paying for your kids to get an education at all?

and we are back to the beginning fo this circle.......

i will sum up my argument one final time and if you want to keep plaing the circle game, i will leave you to it......

i support public education, i support my taxes going to provide that education.....

i did not support having my taxes being used for funding transportation, clothing, personal supplies, food and other incidentials that go along with that education.......

i believe there is a certain point where the responsibility rests on the family that decided to have kids and the public in helping educate them and that is there my point lies.......

So basically, you believe that kids should get from public aid exactly what your kids got and believe they should not get from the public exactly what your kids did not get from the public....


Tell me - what if you had no kids and for years your taxes paid for busing for other kids - and then you have some kids and by coincidence just about that time, the rules change and now you've got to pay for it? That'd be cool for you?


Where did you live in Mass exactly?

no, i would have been against my kids having their busing paid by the town and would have voted against such a measure had it been up for a vote.....

it has nothing to do with "well i had to pay for my kids buses so everyone else should"

it has to do with where i believe the line should be between what the community pays for and what the family should........

i live near worcester.. wooster.... but not in worcester.......

 

[oreo]

and we are back to the beginning fo this circle.......

i will sum up my argument one final time and if you want to keep plaing the circle game, i will leave you to it......

i support public education, i support my taxes going to provide that education.....

i did not support having my taxes being used for funding transportation, clothing, personal supplies, food and other incidentials that go along with that education.......

i believe there is a certain point where the responsibility rests on the family that decided to have kids and the public in helping educate them and that is there my point lies.......

So basically, you believe that kids should get from public aid exactly what your kids got and believe they should not get from the public exactly what your kids did not get from the public....


Tell me - what if you had no kids and for years your taxes paid for busing for other kids - and then you have some kids and by coincidence just about that time, the rules change and now you've got to pay for it? That'd be cool for you?


Where did you live in Mass exactly?

no, i would have been against my kids having their busing paid by the town and would have voted against such a measure had it been up for a vote.....

it has nothing to do with "well i had to pay for my kids buses so everyone else should"

it has to do with where i believe the line should be between what the community pays for and what the family should........

i live near worcester.. wooster.... but not in worcester.......

We here just cut down on the school bus routes and times. Parents have to deliver their kids to a designated bus stop area--and we saved 200K per YEAR. Plus we charge 100 per year per kid who rides the bus.

 

[manifold]

i raised two kids.. for the last 6 years of their schooling paid 300/year in busing fees..... prior to that, we lived close enough for them to walk to school.....

They attended private school?

nope, public school in massachussettes......

They should've taught you how to spell the state properly.

But whatcha gonna do?

 

[Vaard]

They attended private school?

nope, public school in massachussettes......

They should've taught you how to spell the state properly.

But whatcha gonna do?

they probably did...... i dont bother spell checking on message boards......

besides, it gives those who are obsessed with that sort of thing something to do........

 

[paulitician]

If the Public Schools/Unions didn't blow all the money in the first place,they wouldn't have to make these kinds of cuts. Our Public School System is so mis-managed. They always claim they're broke and they don't even educate the children anymore. So what good are they at this point? They seem pretty useless no? Home Schooling and Private Schooling are very wise alternatives to our failing Public Schools.

 

[Vaard]

If the Public Schools/Unions didn't blow all the money in the first place,they wouldn't have to make these kinds of cuts. Our Public School System is so mis-managed. They always claim they're broke and they don't even educate the children anymore. So what good are they at this point? They seem pretty useless no? Home Schooling and Private Schooling are very wise alternatives to our failing Public Schools.

cities and towns operate their own school dictricts..... some do better jobs than others.......

its an unfair assessment to make the claim that all schools dont educate or are mismanaged......

millions of bright educated kids come out of the public school system each year.......

 

[manifold]

nope, public school in massachussettes......

They should've taught you how to spell the state properly.

But whatcha gonna do?

they probably did...... i dont bother spell checking on message boards......

besides, it gives those who are obsessed with that sort of thing something to do........

Sure thing skippy.

 

[paulitician]

If the Public Schools/Unions didn't blow all the money in the first place,they wouldn't have to make these kinds of cuts. Our Public School System is so mis-managed. They always claim they're broke and they don't even educate the children anymore. So what good are they at this point? They seem pretty useless no? Home Schooling and Private Schooling are very wise alternatives to our failing Public Schools.

cities and towns operate their own school dictricts..... some do better jobs than others.......

its an unfair assessment to make the claim that all schools dont educate or are mismanaged......

millions of bright educated kids come out of the public school system each year.......

Not for long at this rate. They never have enough money for anything and they don't even educate the kids anymore. I just don't see much use for Public Schools anymore. I mean what have they done right in recent years? They have failed at everything so miserably. If i have to listen to one more Public School worker whine about how they just don't have enough money for the poor children,i swear i'm gonna puke. It's time for more accountibility from our Public School workers. I'm sick of all the mis-management and whining. Time for them man-up and get back to work. The kids are counting on them.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

If childhood education is mandatory in Indiana, which it likely is, then this could very well be headed for a lawsuit.

This isn't about education, but about buses, isn't it? The parents could drive or the kids could walk. I guess the Reps in Indiana are on board with Michelle's anti-obesity campaign!!!

Franklin Township is pretty rural, which means you've got farmers who are going to have to interrupt their day to drive the kids in, or cough up the cash for the bus.

But I also know those districts in Indiana were operating on the razor's edge. If the property taxes were cut, this was always going to be the next thing that'd get cut to accommodate that.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

and we are back to the beginning fo this circle.......

i will sum up my argument one final time and if you want to keep plaing the circle game, i will leave you to it......

i support public education, i support my taxes going to provide that education.....

i did not support having my taxes being used for funding transportation, clothing, personal supplies, food and other incidentials that go along with that education.......

i believe there is a certain point where the responsibility rests on the family that decided to have kids and the public in helping educate them and that is there my point lies.......

So basically, you believe that kids should get from public aid exactly what your kids got and believe they should not get from the public exactly what your kids did not get from the public....


Tell me - what if you had no kids and for years your taxes paid for busing for other kids - and then you have some kids and by coincidence just about that time, the rules change and now you've got to pay for it? That'd be cool for you?


Where did you live in Mass exactly?

no, i would have been against my kids having their busing paid by the town and would have voted against such a measure had it been up for a vote.....

Sure - I know. Righties are always FOR socialism when it benefits them but AGAINST it when it does not. I have no doubt that if one of your kids required a wheel chair to get around in you'd have no trouble with the taxpayers footing the bill for the special bus.

it has nothing to do with "well i had to pay for my kids buses so everyone else should"

it has to do with where i believe the line should be between what the community pays for and what the family should........

i live near worcester.. wooster.... but not in worcester.......

It has nothing to do with your beliefs. All it has to do with is you like the socialism you benefit from and abhor all other forms of it. That's the quintessential tea bagger way of looking at the world.

You're against paying for school busing for all - even though poor families would benefit - but are fine with people who own more property than you paying more for your kids education than you do. The "line" will ALWAYS be drawn conveniently so that ANY benefit you receive is A-OK.