Republicans fight to hide chemical industry is killing Americans

[Bfgrn]

And we still don't see any defense of your excuses for Al Gore.... Okay so I guess the higher morality you speak of only applies when it suits you... Fair enough...

Lets discuss your convenient morality shall we?

You made a claim regarding a senator opposing or fighting against legislation regarding formaldehyde. You even made wide and sweeping claims regarding that senators moral and ethical behavior on the matter. Completely ignoring the fact he is but ONE senator, and any senator could go and force the issue if they so chose to do so. Any senator be they democrat or republican can push the issue. But none of them have, yet your article likes to point out one republican senator and point the finger like its all him alone. That is a PR snowjob and that is immoral and unethical.

I pointed out the problems and practices with Al Gore when he was a senator and as Vice-President regarding environmental policies versus his direct vested financial interest in any such policies made. The reason was to point out that even IF the article is accurate and the senator was helping the Formaldehyde industry based on his personal financial gain, Al Gore from your side was doing the same thing. And showing the fallacy in believing one side more ethical or morally upright than the other. This would be a big problem with a person of a real moral and ethical backbone...

You then made an excuse to defend the practices of Al Gore. I gave verifiable evidence showing those excuses to be bogus. And your response was to ignore it and try to change the subject or scope of the debate into; first, a debate over right-wing environmental support or lack of it, and second (now) a debate over morality and or ethics.

So in reality all you have done is try and claim some moral high-ground based on a complete and total fallacy. And you try to quote scripture and give little anecdotes to back it up, all the while ignoring the complete lack of any real ethical or moral fiber in the side you choose.

Please spare me the scripture citing, and high talk of morality and ethics or right and wrong. Just because they tell you they are the good guys and the others the bad guys, doesn't make it true. And especially if they act in a manner so opposite of such a claim.

Morality is beliefs regarding appropriate behavior, while ethics is the formal study of morality.

Putting property before people is not moral. It is immoral and unethical.

I see it every day on this board from right wingers. They prove what John Kenneth Galbraith said: "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."

And they consistently reinforce a comparison I heard Ted Sorensen make: "Republicans care more about property, Democrats care more about people"

In regards to Al Gore, I don't believe he is a saint. But I also don't believe he is a fraud or that he is immoral or unethical. Ironic, on the Elk Hills oilfield deal Occidental wasn't simply handed the deal; its offer — $3.65 billion — was twice as high as that of the nearest of its 22 competitors. If Al were truly involved in an inside deal, he would have saved Oxy 1.83 billion dollars.

Ya know I wasn't sure at first if you were really this naive or just trying to play a part. but Now? I am sure you're just high.....

What in the hell are you rambling on about? Do you have a clear point in all that or not? Seriously one minute you call me a liar and the next you're quoting scripture.... Are you high? You are giving a serious Mooney or Church of Higher Consciousness vibe...

Are you here to peddle your religion? If so save it, not interested not even a little bit....

From reading your Al Gore excuse, I think you must be high.... Okay, I am going to try once more with you..... Read my words carefully okay?

Al Gore preaches against Oil, yet he gets oil money.... Got that so far? Thats called being a hypocrite and yes it is unethical given his position when he did it, and being a hypocrite in itself is immoral. Please do not try and rationalize it, otherwise we can see your fake religion out of convenience crap again. And trust me when I tell you its not working...At all...

Also Al tries to make it seem like he is in it for the planet, when in reality he is in it for the money. If you truly are religious like you try and imply, you would understand that any deed taken with the claim of righteousness and purity, must reflect that righteousness and purity in action or the deed lacks merit, and then the man lacks merit.... A religious or even spiritual person would know this....

Now peddle your fake religion elsewhere I'm not buying it...

WOW, you have taken the word hypocrite to a new high. Are you high? Are YOU GOD?

I suspect you must be God, because only God knows someone's intentions, and only God is perfect.

Now peddle your fake perfection elsewhere I'm not buying it...

When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion.
Abraham Lincoln

Al Gore Airlifts Evacuees

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Al Gore helped airlift some 270 Katrina evacuees on two private charters from New Orleans, acting at the urging of a doctor who saved the life of the former vice president's son.

On Sept. 1, three days after Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast, Simon learned that Dr. David Kline, a neurosurgeon who operated on Gore's son, Albert, after a life-threatening auto accident in 1989, was trying to get in touch with Gore. Kline was stranded with patients at Charity Hospital in New Orleans.

"The situation was dire and becoming worse by the minute — food and water running out, no power, 4 feet of water surrounding the hospital and ... corpses outside," Simon wrote.

Gore responded immediately, telephoning Kline and agreeing to underwrite the $50,000 each for the two flights, although Larry Flax, founder of California Pizza Kitchens, later pledged to pay for one of them.

"None of the airlines involved required a contract or any written guarantee of payment before sending their planes and volunteer crews," Simon wrote of the American Airlines flights. "One official said if Gore promised to pay, that was good enough for them."

He also recruited two doctors, Spickard and Gore's cousin, retired Col. Dar LaFon (search), a specialist in internal medicine who once ran the military hospital in Baghdad.

Most critically, Gore worked to cut through government red tape, personally calling Gov. Phil Bredesen to get Tennessee's support and U.S. Transportation Secretary Norm Mineta to secure landing rights in New Orleans.

About 140 people, many of them sick, landed in Knoxville on Sept. 3. The second flight, with 130 evacuees, landed the next day in Chattanooga.

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Monday, August 29, 2005: 2005: Hurricane Katrina hits New Orleans

Katrina hits New Orleans, levies break, Bush continues with his planned itinerary.

President George W. Bush joins Arizona Senator John McCain in a small celebration of McCain's 69th birthday Monday, Aug. 29, 2005, after the President's arrival at Luke Air Force Base near Phoenix. The President later spoke about Medicare to 400 guests at the Pueblo El Mirage RV Resort and Country Club in nearby El Mirage. (White House photo by Paul Morse)

Tuesday, August 30, 2005: President Commemorates 60th Anniversary of V-J Day

President Bush plays a guitar presented to him by Country Singer Mark Wills, right, backstage following his visit to Naval Base Coronado, Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005. Bush visited the base to deliver remarks on V-J Commemoration Day. (AP Photo/ABC News, Martha Raddatz)

Despite the growing catastrophe in New Orleans, Bush continues his planned stops, delivering pre-planned speeches and finds time to accept a guitar from Country Singer Mark Wills.

Yet, others in the administration knew that what was happening in New Orleans was serious enough to preempt the planned vacation activities.

Wednesday, August 31, 2005: Bush cuts vacation short (by two days) and heads back to Washington. Air Force One routed over New Orleans so Bush can view the scene from above.

Thursday, September 1, 2005: Newsweek reported:

The reality, say several aides who did not wish to be quoted because it might displease the president, did not really sink in until Thursday night. Some White House staffers were watching the evening news and thought the president needed to see the horrific reports coming out of New Orleans. Counselor Bartlett made up a DVD of the newscasts so Bush could see them in their entirety as he flew down to the Gulf Coast the next morning on Air Force One.

One assumes that finally after viewing the reports his staffers put together, he understood the magnitude of the disaster. Yet, understanding it didn’t translate into action that would help the people in that area as it took days more to rescue the survivors from New Orleans and years more to understand no help was coming to rebuild the levies or communities.

So ended the longest vacation of George W. Bush as sitting president. But our long nightmare of having this man, so incapable of understanding or caring about anyone else still goes on. Two years after that horrific storm, too many people in the path of the storm still have no home and have lost hope, and our long, long war grinds on. But boy, isn’t it nice to have a President in such good shape?

August 2005: How George Bush Went On Vacation and It Ended In Disaster

 

[gslack]

bgfrn, either you are high, or you are mentally off......

You have yet to address a single point I made... I think it's because you can't so you try and sabotage the thread....

When or IF you decide you want to have a real debate, with a coherent discussion on this let me know... Until then I am tired of trying to reach a deliberate idiot... Everytime I challenge your own words or your own actions or claims you resort to this kind of nonsense and its tiring... When you are challenged you want to cover up your inconsistencies with mind-numbing posts that are nothing but empty rhetoric. I believe you are either high or really this ignorant. Either way your being idiotic, and I am done. Its clear you had nothing but a BS propaganda article and a wild claim. Now that its fallen apart you are playing the buffoon... Well find another partner...

And BTW, Sean Penn took people stuck in Katrina out in his own boat. In fact so did a lot of people, and I didn't see anyone but the politicians using as a political tool.....

 

[Si modo]

What a HUGE pile of typical right wing Faux Snooze pea brain garbage. Al Gore's FATHER represented Occidental as an attorney after he lost election to the Senate. When Sr died the shares he owned passed to the estate. Al Gore Jr. never exercised control over the shares and they were sold when the estate closed.

Also, you have other HUGE problems. First, Al Gore is not a US Senator, he is a private citizen. Second, it's ironic free enterprise and entrepreneurship are suddenly an evil when a liberal is involved. Al Gore is investing in green energy and industries that will clean up our environment. Sounds like smart and responsible investing to me. Better go back and study up on more Alex Jones conspiracy garbage.

There is no bigger difference between today's Republicans and Democrats in Congress than environmental issues.

Educate yourself pea brain...

League of Conservation Voters

2009 National Environmental Scorecard - http://lcv-ftp.org/scorecard09/highslows.pdf

BS!
CorpWatch*:*Al Gore: The Other Oil Candidate

Al Gore: The Other Oil Candidate

by Bill Mesler, Special to CorpWatch
August 29th, 2000

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For thousands of years, the Kitanemuk Indians made their home in the Elk Hills of central California. Come February 2001, the last of the 100 burial grounds, holy places and other archaeological sites of the Kitanemuks will be obliterated by the oil drilling of Occidental Petroleum Company. Oxy's plans will "destroy forever the evidence that we once existed on this land," according to Dee Dominguez, a Kitanemuk whose great grandfather was a signatory to the 1851 treaty that surrendered the Elk Hills.

Occidental's planned drilling of the Elk Hills doesn't only threaten the memory of the Kitanemuk. Environmentalists say a rare species of fox, lizard and the kangaroo rat would also be threatened by Oxy's plans. A lawsuit has been filed under the Endangered Species Act. But none of that has given pause to Occidental or the politician who helped engineer the sale of the drilling rights to the federally-owned Elk Hills. That politician is Al Gore.

Gore recommended that the Elk Hills be sold as part of his 1995 "Reinventing Government" National Performance Review program. Gore-confidant (and former campaign manager) Tony Coelho served on the board of directors of the private company hired to assess the sale's environmental consequences. The sale was a windfall for Oxy. Within weeks of the announced purchase Occidental stock rose ten percent.

That was good news for Gore. Despite controversy over Dick Cheney's plans to keep stock options if elected, most Americans don't know that we already have a vice president with oil company stocks. Before the Elk Hills sale, Al Gore controlled between $250,000-$500,000 of Occidental stock (he is executor of a trust that he says goes only to his mother, but will revert to him upon her death). After the sale, Gore began disclosing between $500,000 and $1 million of his significantly more valuable stock.

Nowhere is Al Gore's environmental hypocrisy more glaring than when it comes to his relationship with Occidental. While on the one hand talking tough about his "big oil" opponents and waxing poetic about indigenous peoples in his 1992 book "Earth in the Balance," the Elk Hills sale and other deals show that money has always been more important to Al Gore than ideals.

Notice the site its from? its corpwatch... yeah they investigate corporate fraud and malfeasance. I don't believe they would have a reason to make this up.... I didn't go to the wall street Journal or any other right wing source so don't even try that crying tactic....

He is a private citizen NOW! Not when he did all this investing, and not when he set up CCX. And especially not when he tried to push for environmental legislation and policies which would have made him wealthy....

Who said anything about Alex Jones but you? Look at my link dipshit, its not to a blog, or a conspiracy site. its to corpwatch freaking azzhole, calling other people pea brain when you can sit there and dismiss that POS no matter what he does.... Self-righteous, pompous azzhole, wake-up your people are crooks too. Your side is no better than the other and the sooner your daydreaming, true-believing, ignorant, gullible azz realizes it the better of the whole country will be...

Don't tell me to go learn something you half-wit. Freaking daydreamer...

P.S. Why did you post two links that are completely unrelated to your claims? You trying to BS people or what? The two links you posted one to a PDF file of a so-called environmental scorecard, and the other was to some green blog about conservation voters. Neither one had anything to do with Al Gore or his Occidental investment.... Really lame...

My 'claim'...'There is no bigger difference between today's Republicans and Democrats in Congress than environmental issues.'

Your claim...'Your side is no better than the other'

WOW...you would have been better off taking up the right wing mantra that environmentalists interfere with 'free' enterprise (in reality, heavily subsidized corporate socialism).

NO ONE on the right is even serious about our environment. They feed you pea brains a corporate funded propaganda PR campaign that portrays environmentalists as some lunatic fascist group. They cite junk science from an echo chamber of over 40 'science' sources built and funded by the very corporations that rape our planet. Basically the same players that tried to undermine tobacco legislation are now trying to undermine climate legislation.

Your portrayal of the League of Conservation Voters 'so-called environmental scorecard, and the other was to some green blog' is a shining example of the right wing PR propaganda 'language'

Anyone familiar with environmental issues is aware that the League of Conservation Voters is a respected government watchdog on environmental issues and legislation. Their National Environmental Scorecard has rated every legislator in Congress since 1970.

The links I provided are from the same site. The League of Conservation Voters' main site, and their 2009 environmental scorecard FROM their site (pdf).

"I look forward to a great future for America, a future in which our country will match its military strength with our moral restraint, its wealth with our wisdom, its power with our purpose. I look forward to an America which will not be afraid of grace and beauty, which will protect the beauty of our natural environment, which will preserve the great old American houses and squares and parks of our national past, and which will build handsome and balanced cities for our future."

Remarks at Amherst College
President John F. Kennedy
Amherst, Massachusetts
October 26, 1963

You might want to double check on which side of the fence those who post and cite junk science are.

 

[Douger]

Look at it this way. If you die before you can collect SS, it gives them more money to invade foreign countries and steal their resources.
Perfect ! The beautiful part is they charge you to poison yourself !
How does that fluoride and chlorine taste today ?
God Bless the Empire !
And don't forget to give your kid his 972 vaccines. It's for his protection.

 

[editec]

How Senator Vitter Battled the EPA Over Formaldehyde’s Link to Cancer

Sen. David Vitter, R-La., has pushed the EPA to slow its process of updating its 20-year-old health assessment of formaldehyde. After Hurricane Katrina, thousands of his state's residents said they suffered respiratory problems after being housed in government trailers contaminated with formaldehyde. (Left: A child looks out of a FEMA trailer in Port Sulphur, La. May 2008 photo by Mario Tama/Getty Images)

When Sen. David Vitter persuaded the EPA to agree to yet another review of its long-delayed assessment of the health risks of formaldehyde, he was praised by companies that use or manufacture a chemical found in everything from plywood to carpet.

As long as the studies continue, the EPA will still list formaldehyde as a "probable" rather than a "known" carcinogen, even though three major scientific reviews now link it to leukemia and have strengthened its ties to other forms of cancer. The chemical industry is fighting to avoid that designation, because it could lead to tighter regulations and require costly pollution controls.

"Delay means money. The longer they can delay labeling something a known carcinogen, the more money they can make," said James Huff, associate director for chemical carcinogenesis at the National Institute for Environmental Health Sciences in the Department of Health and Human Services.
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Vitter’s ties to the formaldehyde industry are well known. According to Talking Points Memo, his election campaign received about $20,500 last year from companies that produce large amounts of formaldehyde waste in Louisiana. But ProPublica found that Vitter actually took in nearly twice that amount if contributions from other companies, trade groups and lobbyists with interests in formaldehyde regulation are included. Among those contributors is Charles Grizzle, a top-paid lobbyist for the Formaldehyde Council, an industry trade group that had long sought a National Academy review of the chemical.

Sen. James Inhofe persuaded the EPA to delay its formaldehyde risk assessment in 2004. (Getty Images file photo)

Congress stalled the formaldehyde risk assessment once before. In 2004, Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., persuaded the EPA to delay it, even though preliminary findings from a National Cancer Institute study had already linked formaldehyde to leukemia. Inhofe insisted that the EPA wait for a more "robust set of findings" from the institute.

Koch Industries, a large chemical manufacturer and one of Inhofe’s biggest campaign contributors, gave Inhofe $6,000 that year. That same year Koch bought two pulp mills from Georgia-Pacific, a major formaldehyde producer and one of the world’s largest plywood manufacturers. The next year Koch bought all of Georgia-Pacific.



Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither, in my opinion, is safe.
Edmund Burke

ABout twenty-five years or so ago, when I was first looking for a home here in Maine, my ex and I went into a few brand new doublewides thinking that we'd perhaps start out with one on some land and then build a new house when we'd saved enough money for it.

About five minutes into a tour, my head was spinning from the outgassing of those chemical gas chambers and my ex was nauseous.

I don't know about cancer, but those tin can houses cannot be a healthy home environment as far as I can tell.

 

[Samson]

Look at it this way. If you die before you can collect SS, it gives them more money to invade foreign countries and steal their resources.
Perfect ! The beautiful part is they charge you to poison yourself !
How does that fluoride and chlorine taste today ?
God Bless the Empire !
And don't forget to give your kid his 972 vaccines. It's for his protection.

I'll try to interpret your frothy babble:





Nope, sorry.

 

[gslack]

How Senator Vitter Battled the EPA Over Formaldehyde’s Link to Cancer

Sen. David Vitter, R-La., has pushed the EPA to slow its process of updating its 20-year-old health assessment of formaldehyde. After Hurricane Katrina, thousands of his state's residents said they suffered respiratory problems after being housed in government trailers contaminated with formaldehyde. (Left: A child looks out of a FEMA trailer in Port Sulphur, La. May 2008 photo by Mario Tama/Getty Images)

When Sen. David Vitter persuaded the EPA to agree to yet another review of its long-delayed assessment of the health risks of formaldehyde, he was praised by companies that use or manufacture a chemical found in everything from plywood to carpet.

As long as the studies continue, the EPA will still list formaldehyde as a "probable" rather than a "known" carcinogen, even though three major scientific reviews now link it to leukemia and have strengthened its ties to other forms of cancer. The chemical industry is fighting to avoid that designation, because it could lead to tighter regulations and require costly pollution controls.

"Delay means money. The longer they can delay labeling something a known carcinogen, the more money they can make," said James Huff, associate director for chemical carcinogenesis at the National Institute for Environmental Health Sciences in the Department of Health and Human Services.
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Vitter’s ties to the formaldehyde industry are well known. According to Talking Points Memo, his election campaign received about $20,500 last year from companies that produce large amounts of formaldehyde waste in Louisiana. But ProPublica found that Vitter actually took in nearly twice that amount if contributions from other companies, trade groups and lobbyists with interests in formaldehyde regulation are included. Among those contributors is Charles Grizzle, a top-paid lobbyist for the Formaldehyde Council, an industry trade group that had long sought a National Academy review of the chemical.

Sen. James Inhofe persuaded the EPA to delay its formaldehyde risk assessment in 2004. (Getty Images file photo)

Congress stalled the formaldehyde risk assessment once before. In 2004, Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., persuaded the EPA to delay it, even though preliminary findings from a National Cancer Institute study had already linked formaldehyde to leukemia. Inhofe insisted that the EPA wait for a more "robust set of findings" from the institute.

Koch Industries, a large chemical manufacturer and one of Inhofe’s biggest campaign contributors, gave Inhofe $6,000 that year. That same year Koch bought two pulp mills from Georgia-Pacific, a major formaldehyde producer and one of the world’s largest plywood manufacturers. The next year Koch bought all of Georgia-Pacific.



Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither, in my opinion, is safe.
Edmund Burke

ABout twenty-five years or so ago, when I was first looking for a home here in Maine, my ex and I went into a few brand new doublewides thinking that we'd perhaps start out with one on some land and then build a new house when we'd saved enough money for it.

About five minutes into a tour, my head was spinning from the outgassing of those chemical gas chambers and my ex was nauseous.

I don't know about cancer, but those tin can houses cannot be a healthy home environment as far as I can tell.

When they manufacture double-wides, trailers, and manufactured homes, they use most of the same materials used in regular home building. But they are scaled down and or made cheaper in construction or design. I helped my friend move his double-wide years ago, and saw the construction materials first hand.

They are plywood, insulation, wallboard or drywall like any other house. But the grade of those things they use are much lower than those in classic home building. Also they are mostly manufactured in a closed environment with little outside airflow.

The materials are usually given less "curing" time than those of better quality. And the fumes from the chemicals used to manufacture them are not able to dissipate like they should. Also the materials once in the building yard are usually taken right away to build with, given no time there to cure either. Along with this we have the use of cheaper glues, insulations, and paints. And again they are rushed.

It's these combinations which allow some of them to harbor such toxic or hazardous fumes. When you realize the speed they were pushing out the trailers for Katrina victims and FEMA, this was even more a problem.

I wouldn't try to pass legislation that a chemical we use so often is dangerous, we already now that and the laws and regulations in place ensure we do. However, I think a standard should be set on those manufacturers and material builders, regarding how they manufacture their cheaper line of products.

 

[Samson]

When they manufacture double-wides, trailers, and manufactured homes, they use most of the same materials used in regular home building. But they are scaled down and or made cheaper in construction or design. ... But the grade of those things they use are much lower than those in classic home building. Also they are mostly manufactured in a closed environment with little outside airflow.

.. Along with this we have the use of cheaper glues, insulations, and paints. And again they are rushed.

..... I think a standard should be set on those manufacturers and material builders, regarding how they manufacture their cheaper line of products.

You DON"T SAY!!!!

Trailor Homes are Cheap????


Gawd Damnit!

The next thing you'll be saying is Gubment Cheese isn't Health Food.

 

[gslack]

When they manufacture double-wides, trailers, and manufactured homes, they use most of the same materials used in regular home building. But they are scaled down and or made cheaper in construction or design. ... But the grade of those things they use are much lower than those in classic home building. Also they are mostly manufactured in a closed environment with little outside airflow.

.. Along with this we have the use of cheaper glues, insulations, and paints. And again they are rushed.

..... I think a standard should be set on those manufacturers and material builders, regarding how they manufacture their cheaper line of products.

You DON"T SAY!!!!

Trailor Homes are Cheap????


Gawd Damnit!

The next thing you'll be saying is Gubment Cheese isn't Health Food.

SHHH! We don't want that getting out!