Republicans block bill to increase spill liability AGAIN

[momonkey]

The GOP is the friend of BIG OIL. The GOP wants a majority in the House or Senate in November. Figure it out? The tax payer is going to get stuck with this bill because the GOP is blocking an increasein limits.

The damage that is being caused by BP and Haliburton is going to be a large as anyone has ever seen. THE GOP WANTS TAX PAYERS TO PAY FOR IT ALL! Thanks Republican'ts.

Would have been nice if the BO administration hadn't given safety standard exemptions to BP. A stich in time will save nine unless BO is President in 2009.

U.S. exempted BP's Gulf of Mexico drilling from environmental impact study

 

[Valerie]

It's pretty telling that the Lefties are so willing to overthrow the Rule of Law when they form a mob against anyone who is unpopular.

Ex Post Facto laws are Unconstitutional. The test of our commitment to our values is when face with protecting the rights of those we don't like from abuse by Government Power. The Left's willingness to destroy The Constitution does far more harm to our society than does the oil spill.

We're talking about taking the cap off the corps paying for economic damages...What are you referring to? Their right to not be responsible for the damage they cause?

 

[uscitizen]

Thanks for giving BP a categorical exemption from safety standards in 2009. I'm sure it has nothing to do with BO being the top recipient of BP campaign donations.


Asked if the MMS had properly regulated the blowout preventers like the one that failed on the Deepwater Horizon rig, Salazar said: "No."


U.S. exempted BP's Gulf of Mexico drilling from environmental impact study

BP has given republicans more in contributions that Demoncrats. Except for a few oil state Dems.

MMS is part of the executive branch.

Thanks for playing...

Umm congressmen are included in that majority of contributions that BP made to republicans.

MMS pays no attention to the congress or their comittees?
Now what were we playing?

 

[hboats]

Un FUCKing believable.

Here are teh GOP and the cons defending a foreign oil company over the AMERICAN business owners who have had their businesses distroyed by a foreign oil companies cutting corners to save money.


Have you people no idea how low you have sunk to defend your failed ideas?

You got a list of the "American business owners who have had their businesses distroyed (sp) by...." this disaster?

Didn't think so.

Rick

Dear fucking idiot, the effects of this mess will be felt for Decades to come, the damage will continue to happen.

Do you realise this could very well end up hitting the entire atlantic coast?

Dear Liesmatter, do you not realize that you posted

American business owners who have had their businesses distroyed (sp) by....

as if it's already happened. I'm asking for a list of these companies that HAVE HAD their businesses destroyed.

I'm smart enough to know that this is going to be felt for a long time, but I'm not the one claiming that American businesses have already been destroyed by it. Please provide your proof.

Thanks.

Rick

 

[MaggieMae]

Bid to lift spill liability cap is blocked - Gulf oil spill- msnbc.com

This morning on C-Span, I listened to Jim Mica (R-FLA) spend 15 minutes blaming the entire spill on the Obama Administration.

1. Signing off on safety regulations that should have been more tough.

Suddenly the pubs are all in favor of tougher regulations? ESPECIALLY for anything having to do with oil production? Oh really...

2. Proposed cuts in the Coast Guard.

Although the CG was on the scene immediately.

3. Not "taking control of" the whole situation immediately.

Even though BP claimed for days they had everything under control. Again, suddenly a Repubican is angry that gubmit allowed a private company to do its job as promised?

 

[HUGGY]

" first-quarter profit more than doubled from a year earlier to $6.1 billion "



Our leaders should be fighting for us and saying....Aaaaah we'll take that, thank you very much.

They can..in court. Attach a lein on BP.

What standing do "our leaders" have to sieze profits, aside from civil action? What would a lein do but collect damages BP has already pledged to pay?

I doubt televised "pledges" would hold up in court. Execs lie to congress all the time. How do we have anything concrete to gaurantee that they will not take the cost of the clean up out of OUR pockets at the pump. We need assurance that the price will be taken out of thier profits.

The standing is that they have been negligent and damaged our property and caused injury and death by said negligence. I would guess a U S Court would be the jurisdiction.

 

[MaggieMae]

Bid to lift spill liability cap is blocked - Gulf oil spill- msnbc.com

From the link: "This maneuver threatens to leave taxpayers, rather than the oil companies, on the hook for future disasters like the BP oil spill," he [Oama] said.

Republican Sen. James Inhofe of Oklahoma used procedural move to stop the bill from coming to the Senate floor, saying that raising the cap would hurt smaller drillers.

"Big Oil would love to have these caps up there so they can shut out all the independents," he said.

Federal law requires companies to pay for all environmental damage, but economic damages are now capped at $75 million. Some Democrats want to raise the cap to $10 billion, and a few want to take it off completely."

It is specious to draft and promote legislation without regards to consequences to, in reality, do more harm than good. Particularly when the effects will have no meaning to Chinese and others outside US waters while also drilling in the Gulf.

These bills, too often as put forward, are written to ensnare the emotions of the simple minded and the partisans who put scoring political talking points above any essence of sound policy.

Of course Inhofe would fight against this. $2.1 million from the oil and gas sector guarantees a just say no from him.

James M Inhofe: Campaign Finance/Money - Industries - Career | OpenSecrets

 

[MaggieMae]

how about instead of blaming people, we actually fix the problem?

How about we get the people who caused the problem to fix it and pay for the mess they made?

It's beginning to look like BP won't be able to pay for it because they'll run out of money. And if it turns out Halliburton was even partly responsible, we'll never see anything from them either. Halliburton still has outstanding I.O.U.s for overbilling/double billing and fraud on Iraq contracts.

Which reminds me: Where is Cheney's big mouth in all of this? How come he hasn't put on his Fox Face and blamed the Obama Administration for this mess?

 

[MaggieMae]

how about instead of blaming people, we actually fix the problem?

How about we get the people who caused the problem to fix it and pay for the mess they made?

It seems the present minority party does not feel the oil companies should bare such a burden.

Of course not. They're too big to fail.

 

[MaggieMae]

All I see here is classic liberal "throw money at it till it goes away" BS..

They want to raise the cap from 75 million to 10 billion.... 10 billion? WTF why not make it an even 100 billion its only money right? yeah of course it is.... its only money that you think you won't have to pay.... its BP who will pay right? Sure and when they have to pay, they will raise prices at the pump. How? Well speculators, and the fact they with the other big oil magnates will work together just as you liberals claim they already do and systematically get all the 10 billion back.....

You freaking sheeple crack me up.... How in the hell do you think the democrats fund their campaigns? With joe the plumber contributions alone? or maybe the UAW or the other unions who are now almost gutted? No they couldn't do it on that little bit of money anymore. They get their money from the banks like the Fed and their investors who benefit the most from large deficits and debt. Also from companies Like Big oil who have a vested interest and desire to get cap and trade passed so they can make money of the so-called cure for the problem they help create.

You idiots are so unbelievable... Al Gore has oil company stock yet you don't see it. Banks own our debt and your democrats create ever more debt and you still don't see it. They somehow manage to get the most campaign money from the people with the least amount of money to give them and you still don't see it... What will it take with you people?

Big Oil wants Cap and trade, despite all the bullshit told to you.. look into it and you can see for yourself who is invested the most in the cap and trade markets and who invests the most in "green tech" and you will see oil companies. Why? Because its all money. When oil is gone or too expensive and rare they will jump on the next big ticket. Its not rocket science its simple smart business. THey want cap and trade because then they can recoup any losses they incur in green tech research through market manipulation of a cap and trade.

Why wouldn't big oil want cap and trade? They get paid for the oil, then they can manipulate the market and make money from the problems the oil made... its the slickest scam since the pyramid schemes...

All of this glaring evidence and you lefties still shout "throw money at it"... Good god man how utterly blind can you get....

What are you talking about? "Throw money" at who? What? If anything, we want money thrown AT the problem, by BP and its subs who caused the problem. They are legally responsible.

Oil Pollution Act Overview | Emergency Management | US EPA

As for rising prices at the pump, if BP stations raise prices, just don't go there. Otherwise, the price per barrel of crude will continue to be set by speculators in the overall market, usually betting on future prices for which OPEC continues to call the shots. BP's oil in the gulf wasn't destined solely for the United States, either.

 

[MaggieMae]

CAPS on damages are another example of the anti-capitalistic socialism of the master class, folks.

Some of you call the people supporting this socialism for the insiders progressivism, some of you call it socialism, some of you call it fascism, but whatever you call it, it's another example of the organized criminal cabal that the insiders (who cohabit both government and big capital) have made of our nation.

Who else but big capital gets a cap on their responsibilities?

You don't have one, and neither do I.

If we mess up and cause enormous damages, tough titty for us.

But if big capital messes up, they're too big to fail, so their victims have to absorb the losses?

And some of you support this system?

And when you do, you also attempt to lecture people you think of as liberals, about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY?!

Can't have it both ways folks...unless of course you control the government.

Then you can have it both or three or four or any infinite number of ways that suit your needs of the moment.

Isn't it funny that we're not hearing someone screeching "Where in the Constitution does it say that BP should be responsible for cleaning up its own mess?" When an issue hits home, i.e., protection of the "rights" of corporations, suddenly the cons seem to get it--that the Constitution is silent on many issues of the day.

 

[MaggieMae]

Un FUCKing believable.

Here are teh GOP and the cons defending a foreign oil company over the AMERICAN business owners who have had their businesses distroyed by a foreign oil companies cutting corners to save money.


Have you people no idea how low you have sunk to defend your failed ideas?

No whats unbelievable is you come in a bitch about what you don't fully understand...

Transocean owner of the rig... Was created by US businessmen its main office is in Houston Texas.

Haliburton based in the US by AMerican businessmen...

BP global company. has offices in the US..

All of these companies employ a great many americans. All of these companies work with a great deal of AMERICAN companies who also employ AMERICANS....

So did Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns. So does GM and all the small businesses that support the auto industry.

Halliburton, by the way, has moved its corporate headquarters to Dubai where it can escape corporate and employee taxes.

 

[LuckyDan]

 

[MaggieMae]

Thanks for sticking the bill to the American taxpayers Republicans

Thanks for giving BP a categorical exemption from safety standards in 2009. I'm sure it has nothing to do with BO being the top recipient of BP campaign donations.


Asked if the MMS had properly regulated the blowout preventers like the one that failed on the Deepwater Horizon rig, Salazar said: "No."


U.S. exempted BP's Gulf of Mexico drilling from environmental impact study

Oil & Gas | OpenSecrets

Oil & Gas
This industry, which includes multinational and independent oil and gas producers and refiners, natural gas pipeline companies, gasoline service stations and fuel oil dealers, has long enjoyed a history of strong influence in Washington. Individuals and political action committees affiliated with oil and gas companies have donated $238.7 million to candidates and parties since the 1990 election cycle, 75 percent of which has gone to Republicans.

 

[MaggieMae]

Thanks for giving BP a categorical exemption from safety standards in 2009. I'm sure it has nothing to do with BO being the top recipient of BP campaign donations.


Asked if the MMS had properly regulated the blowout preventers like the one that failed on the Deepwater Horizon rig, Salazar said: "No."


U.S. exempted BP's Gulf of Mexico drilling from environmental impact study

BP has given republicans more in contributions that Demoncrats. Except for a few oil state Dems.

MMS is part of the executive branch.

Thanks for playing...

Thanks for not playing with a full deck.

Oil & Gas | OpenSecrets

Though former oilmen George W. Bush and Dick Cheney occupied the White House for eight years, the oil and gas industry could not win support for repealing bans on drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. However, Congress voted in 2008 to lift a ban on offshore drilling. These companies are also wary of cap-and-trade climate change legislation, such as the measure Democratic President Barack Obama supports. Yet Obama still received $884,000 from the oil and gas industry during the 2008 campaign, more than any other lawmaker except his Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.).

 

[MaggieMae]

It's pretty telling that the Lefties are so willing to overthrow the Rule of Law when they form a mob against anyone who is unpopular.

Ex Post Facto laws are Unconstitutional. The test of our commitment to our values is when face with protecting the rights of those we don't like from abuse by Government Power. The Left's willingness to destroy The Constitution does far more harm to our society than does the oil spill.

The regulation governing oil spills has nothing to do with being contitutional. It was put in place even before the Valdez spill, is funded by a tax on oil companies to cover the costs of such potential tragedies, and the fee was actually increased again in 2005.

The Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund ensures that there are sufficient resources available to pay for clean-up and damages associated with an oil spill. With regard to the BP disaster, the trust fund finances ongoing government response activities and then provides the legal authority for the government to seek full reimbursement from the responsible party for these activities.

The Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund (OSLTF)

 

[MaggieMae]

The GOP is the friend of BIG OIL. The GOP wants a majority in the House or Senate in November. Figure it out? The tax payer is going to get stuck with this bill because the GOP is blocking an increasein limits.

The damage that is being caused by BP and Haliburton is going to be a large as anyone has ever seen. THE GOP WANTS TAX PAYERS TO PAY FOR IT ALL! Thanks Republican'ts.

Would have been nice if the BO administration hadn't given safety standard exemptions to BP. A stich in time will save nine unless BO is President in 2009.

U.S. exempted BP's Gulf of Mexico drilling from environmental impact study

Yeah, I guess it was all planned beforehand. Give BP a break on installing failsafe procedures, then make sure there's a disastrous explosion which will totally kill offshore drilling forever. Kinda like ignoring warnings of an impending attack by al-Qaeda on the U.S., then making sure it happened which would totally assure we could invade Iraq.

 

[MaggieMae]

You got a list of the "American business owners who have had their businesses distroyed (sp) by...." this disaster?

Didn't think so.

Rick

Dear fucking idiot, the effects of this mess will be felt for Decades to come, the damage will continue to happen.

Do you realise this could very well end up hitting the entire atlantic coast?

Dear Liesmatter, do you not realize that you posted

American business owners who have had their businesses distroyed (sp) by....

as if it's already happened. I'm asking for a list of these companies that HAVE HAD their businesses destroyed.

I'm smart enough to know that this is going to be felt for a long time, but I'm not the one claiming that American businesses have already been destroyed by it. Please provide your proof.

Thanks.

Rick

The Gulf waters from the mouth of the Mississippi river to Pensacola Bay have been shut down for fishermen. That means NO profits for shrimpers and other fishermen, and no fresh seafood in the restaurants, and drastic reduction in tourist income. You want NAMES? Find 'em yourself, jerk.

 

[Ravi]

Dear fucking idiot, the effects of this mess will be felt for Decades to come, the damage will continue to happen.

Do you realise this could very well end up hitting the entire atlantic coast?

Dear Liesmatter, do you not realize that you posted

American business owners who have had their businesses distroyed (sp) by....

as if it's already happened. I'm asking for a list of these companies that HAVE HAD their businesses destroyed.

I'm smart enough to know that this is going to be felt for a long time, but I'm not the one claiming that American businesses have already been destroyed by it. Please provide your proof.

Thanks.

Rick

The Gulf waters from the mouth of the Mississippi river to Pensacola Bay have been shut down for fishermen. That means NO profits for shrimpers and other fishermen, and no fresh seafood in the restaurants, and drastic reduction in tourist income. You want NAMES? Find 'em yourself, jerk.

Don't tell him that these shrimpers and fisherman are more than likely Republicans. Let him keep whining that they are unimportant.