Republican Sen.'s McCain and Hagel endorse Kerry, NOT BUSH

[Moi]

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
Jim is that your evil twin talking, or did you forget your meds again?

Kerry did his time in 'Nam. Dubbyuh did his time in a cushy sinecure with the Texas Air Force, which he ducked out of early. So, who's got the bigger cojones? I'd be surpised if that Dubbyuh, being the puppet he is, has any at all. Come to think of it, he DOES look like Howdy-Doody. Of course, Dick Cheney's Buffalo Bob...Got his arm up Dubbyuh's butt, movin his lips an' all. Clarabel the Clown is played by Donald Rumsfeld.

You make it so easy to laugh at you and your pathetic attemps at sarcastic put downs.

First of all, anyone who can utter the words Kerry and "cushy" in the same sentence without clearly delineating how cushy Kerry has had it is delusional. The fact is that Kerry tried to buck the service but was turned down. Hey, guess he should have had old what's his name's back doctor. Coulda been skiing on the slopes!

Second of all, Kerry's service was neither honorable nor memorable it seems. If it was truly honor that made him serve he would never have let 3 specious injuries/medals give him leave to abandon his fellow soldiers, he would not have LIED to congress about his fellow combat vets and claimed that he witnessed atrocity after atrocity, if he had witnessed such atrocities he'd have had the balls to speak up when something could have been done and lastly, he wouldn't have shit all over the memory of the truly heroic and handed back his ribbons (and other people's medals, I might add) in a shameful attempt to gain political influence decades ago.

And if I were you I also wouldn't be casting stones about puppet regimes. Even if it were true that Bush relies a great deal on Bob Cheney, at least that puppet-master has brains. All Kerry's puppet-master (aka the only Kennedy so stupid no one cares enough to kill) has is fat, alcohol, guilt and money in his.

 

[Psychoblues]

Are you talking about RR's voting record as the Governor of Caifornia, jimnyc? I don't think RR has or has ever had a "voting record". Thus his attraction to the Republican Party. He expressed an ideology in 1980 that included cuts in defense spending. It won him a few undeserved and ignorant votes. Then he proposed "star wars" upon the waning of national concern for "the bomb" thing from the Soviet Union. A reversal of ideolgy but as advertised a popular one. WTF are you whining about, jimnyc?

 

[jimnyc]

Is it not true that the nation saw approximately a 21% increase in national defense spending under Reagan?

 

[Psychoblues]

Are you again referring to the failed programs of Star Wars, jimnyc? RR cut veterans benefits, reduced the personel numerically and comfort levels, virtually destroyed MWR funding all the while enriching the contractors. What are you referring to, jimnyc?

 

[Avatar4321]

Im not sure i see star wars as a failed project. yes we dont have missle defense but SDI did destroy the Soviet Union. We should still develop it because we do need a defense against nukes.

 

[Moi]

Originally posted by Psychoblues
Are you again referring to the failed programs of Star Wars, jimnyc? RR cut veterans benefits, reduced the personel numerically and comfort levels, virtually destroyed MWR funding all the while enriching the contractors. What are you referring to, jimnyc?

I can't see how the two of you are agruing two sides of the same thing.

Ronald Regan could have been strong on defense whilst still being able to reduce the size/cost of personnel in the military.

John Kerry can be soft on defense while being a veteran.

Being soft/hard on defense is an ideology of not allowing yourself to be victimized; it's not just about spending. It's about spending on things that actually promote the defense of the country.

Kerry is weak on defense becasue, at the time he voted against certain things, those things were imperitive to our defense. He would rather vote against a bill which would have given our defense personnel the tools they need to do their jobs better all because of some stupid reason. That makes him weak on defense to some people.

By the way, how could Star Wars be failed when it wasn't taken to its fruition?

 

[Psychoblues]

Damnit!!!!! Viet Nam was WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Get a grip you unindoctrinated WARMONGERS!!!!!!!!!! Most of us didn't realize it until we came back. Some were smarter and realized it more quickly than our politicians at the time and most of us realized it much later. Our Iraqi vets will feel the same in 2 or 10 or 20 years or so. Where will your lazy/unpatriotic asses be then? Yes, I said "unpatriotic" because I believe anyone that doesn't support their veterans to be "unpatriotic" and GWB is certainly one of those.

 

[jimnyc]

blah, blah, blah said the worthless troll.

 

[Moi]

Originally posted by Psychoblues
Damnit!!!!! Viet Nam was WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Get a grip you indoctrinated WARMONGERS!!!!!!!!!! Most of us didn't realize it until we came back. Some were smarter and realized it more quickly than our politicians at the time and most of us realized it much later. Our Iraqi vets will feel the same in 2 or 10 or 20 years or so. Where will your lazy/unpatriotic asses be then? Yes, I said "unpatriotic" because I believe anyone that doesn't support their veterans to be "unpatriotic" and GWB is certainly one of those.

GWB has done a lot for veterans. You may not think it's enough, but don't sit here and tell me that he doesn't support them. To whit:

"Strengthening America’s Defense

President Bush made a clear commitment to provide the nation with the best trained, best equipped and most effective military force in the world – no matter what it takes. The President’s budget will enable the Department of Defense to continue waging an aggressive and global war on terrorism while supporting the transformation of our nation’s military capabilities. The budget also follows through on the President’s continued commitment to improving the quality of life for our military personnel and their families.

President Bush’s budget proposed $379.9 billion for the Department of Defense, increasing defense spending by $15.3 billion.
The budget fully reflects the Bush Administration’s defense strategy, which calls for a focus on countering 21st century threats such as terrorism.
The United States must strengthen its defenses to protect the nation’s interests and to assure a leading role in global affairs.
The President believes that the men and women who choose to serve this country deserve not only our respect, but also our support in terms of pay, housing and other quality-of-life issues.

Increasing Military Pay

The President is committed to taking good care of our military personnel and their families. His fiscal year 2004 budget builds on pay increases of 4% or more in the last two budgets.
The budget funds a range of military pay increases from 2 to 6.25%, targeted by rank and years of service. These pay increases enhance our military’s ability to retain its most experienced, soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines.
Renovating Military Housing

The President is committed to a full range of quality of life programs, including the renovation of military housing.

In 2002 President Bush made sure that there was an additional $400 million made available to improve military housing.
The 2004 budget keeps the Department of Defense on track in its plan to eliminate inadequate military housing. 163,000 inadequate housing units will be eliminated by 2007.
The Bush Administration proposes to reduce average out-of-pocket expenses for military families living in local communities to zero by 2005. During 2003, such expenses will drop to 7.5% from 15.0% in 2001.
Improving Military Training

The FY 04 budget sustains increased funding levels for training from last year, so that U.S. forces are fully prepared for waging the war on terror and meeting other commitments. The budget robustly funds the Services’ training goals, as measured in aircraft flying hours, ship steaming days, and ground vehicle miles. "


Oh, and WTF with the diatribe about vietnam? I don't remember anyone on this board debating, much less professing great love for, the vietnam war.

 

[Psychoblues]

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[jimnyc]

You aren't worthless for any particular reason, you're worthless because you are you. I've seen many of them in my time and you aren't much different. You're just a middle of the pack troll.

 

[Psychoblues]

Oh Lord!!!!!! GWB meant to CUT HAZARDOUS DUTY PAY IN IRAQ just after his famous carrier landing!!!!!! Soldiers were and are still dying there!!!!!!!! Some of your ignorance and denials are beginning to scare me. But I'm as much, and in my opinion more, American than any of you. So there.

 

[Moi]

Originally posted by Psychoblues
Oh Lord!!!!!! GWB meant to CUT HAZARDOUS DUTY PAY IN IRAQ just after his famous carrier landing!!!!!! Soldiers were and are still dying there!!!!!!!! Some of your ignorance and denials are beginning to scare me. But I'm as much, and in my opinion more, American than any of you. So there.

No one ever said you weren't american. The truth is you are. But you are also deluded, self-centered, arrogant, obtuse, unclear, sarcastic....

so there.

 

[Psychoblues]

Oh Lord!!!!!! GWB meant to CUT HAZARDOUS DUTY PAY IN IRAQ just after his famous carrier landing!!!!!! Soldiers were and are still dying there!!!!!!!! Some of your ignorance and denials are beginning to scare me. But I'm as much, and in my opinion more, American than any of you. So there.

 

[Psychoblues]

That's a typical Republican response, jimnyc. I guess I'm worthless because you consider veterans to be so, and I'm a troll because I invite conversation and opinion other than my own. Whatever floats your boat, cowboy?

 

[jimnyc]

Psycho, please don't be making repetitive posts to be irritating, they will just be deleted. One post is sufficient.

 

[musicman]

Originally posted by Psychoblues
Damnit!!!!! Viet Nam was WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Get a grip you unindoctrinated WARMONGERS!!!!!!!!!! Most of us didn't realize it until we came back. Some were smarter and realized it more quickly than our politicians at the time and most of us realized it much later. Our Iraqi vets will feel the same in 2 or 10 or 20 years or so. Where will your lazy/unpatriotic asses be then? Yes, I said "unpatriotic" because I believe anyone that doesn't support their veterans to be "unpatriotic" and GWB is certainly one of those.

Whether going into VietNam was right or wrong can be debated for the next century. Having gone in with no clear objective, no intent to win, driven by a trembling, trouser-soaked foreign policy, forcing our boys to fight with one hand tied behind their balls- that was indefensible. It was a betrayal. And it falls squarely at the feet of Lyndon Baines Johnson.

 

[Avatar4321]

Originally posted by Psychoblues
Damnit!!!!! Viet Nam was WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Get a grip you unindoctrinated WARMONGERS!!!!!!!!!! Most of us didn't realize it until we came back. Some were smarter and realized it more quickly than our politicians at the time and most of us realized it much later. Our Iraqi vets will feel the same in 2 or 10 or 20 years or so. Where will your lazy/unpatriotic asses be then? Yes, I said "unpatriotic" because I believe anyone that doesn't support their veterans to be "unpatriotic" and GWB is certainly one of those.

No what was wrong is to not let the military finish the Vietnam war while we were winning, but instead pull, out and let millions of southeast asians die at the hands of communists. What is wrong is John Kerry lying about what his fellow soldiers did in combat. What is wrong is Democrat President Lyndon Johnson trying to assasinate our South Vietnamese Ally. And what is wrong is wrong is there is a whole party who cares more about their failed socialist agenda then our national security and freedom.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by Psychoblues
Oh Lord!!!!!! GWB meant to CUT HAZARDOUS DUTY PAY IN IRAQ just after his famous carrier landing!!!!!! Soldiers were and are still dying there!!!!!!!! Some of your ignorance and denials are beginning to scare me. But I'm as much, and in my opinion more, American than any of you. So there.

that was RUMSFELD, not Bush. If you're going to slam someone at least slam the right person.

 

[Aquarian]

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