Republican Party Afraid...

[Full-Auto]

Repubs need to fight as dirty as democrats.

I agree. However they are fighting the wrong people... That's the whole point. The enemy of Republicans are not Democrats.

It's independents... It's libertarians.

LOL


Right right...........

If they fight us as you say........Could you explain how that would gain our support?

They are fighting fiscal responsibility now...........Just a tad better then dems.....Pathetic none the less.

 

[occupied]

This whole election is not about who has a plan for America but who we can blame for what. I am not vote for Mitt but against Obama, why can't the repubs find a better candidate. This same thing hapened in 2008 and we don't need a repeat.

Republicans cannot find a better candidate because it is getting harder to find seemingly honest people who can say this stuff with a straight face.

 

[Shelzin]

The Republican Party does not truly believe in these things and that is evident in the way you've seen them treat folks like Ron Paul and his supporters who actually do.

I agree... Saying and doing are very different things. If a party, or individual, says one thing but does another... I'm going to believe what their actions imply.

Well... I agree with that, and that's why we have to change it, and it is actually happening, that's what is crazy.....Now if we can get these moderates out in TN.....uggggggggggggg

Actually it's not happening. Which is why the Republicans are going to lose to Obama.

In order to beat Obama, Mitt is going to have to address the real enemies of his campaign... Independents and Libertarians. But he can't do that without giving independents and libertarians a voice in the media... Which is something he sure as hell doesn't want to do because the people who actually run things want to keep things as they are.

 

[PredFan]

If Ron Paul doesn't run as a thrid party candidate, and he says he won't, a third party candidate will not be a factor in this race. Last election 2008, Ron Paul didn't get enough votes to give obama the win. Even if you added his votes to McCain, McCain still loses. Gary Johnson won't get even as many votes as RP did.

The GOP isn't worried about the LP because they don't have to, in this election.

 

[whitehall]

Liberals often use the word "enemy" in a political sense but republicans and libertarians aren't enemies. Any smart libertarian knows that the democrat party is the exact opposite of their views and the best hope is to vote republican if they can't get the candidate they prefer.

 

[Shelzin]

Repubs need to fight as dirty as democrats.

I agree. However they are fighting the wrong people... That's the whole point. The enemy of Republicans are not Democrats.

It's independents... It's libertarians.

LOL


Right right...........

If they fight us as you say........Could you explain how that would gain our support?

It absolutely wouldn't. But if you are an "anybody but Obama" person, which I think is idiotic, that is the only way it can happen. It can't be Mitt... The majority of independents and libertarians won't vote for him.

The Republican platform MUST change. The only way to do that is to address the problems with it. That can't happen unless independents and libertarians get a voice. The only way to get a voice is for "true" republicans to actually address the issues that independents and libertarians bring to table. One of those two collectives needs to make the other collective believe that they are right. But that just can't happen unless they address it.

And yet... They fight Obama instead.

Republicans need to convince independents and libertarians that they are wrong in their beliefs. Not that Obama is bad. We already know that... thanks.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I'm not worried. Libs are gonna lead us into the unicorn land.

 

[Liability]

I'm not worried. Libs are gonna lead us into the unicorn land.

Unicorns' rainbow farts smell like cherry blossoms!

 

[Shelzin]

If Ron Paul doesn't run as a thrid party candidate, and he says he won't, a third party candidate will not be a factor in this race. Last election 2008, Ron Paul didn't get enough votes to give obama the win. Even if you added his votes to McCain, McCain still loses. Gary Johnson won't get even as many votes as RP did.

The GOP isn't worried about the LP because they don't have to, in this election.

I believe you underestimate the following Libertarians have this election year over the last.

 

[Shelzin]

Liberals often use the word "enemy" in a political sense but republicans and libertarians aren't enemies. Any smart libertarian knows that the democrat party is the exact opposite of their views and the best hope is to vote republican if they can't get the candidate they prefer.

Any smart Libertarian can see that Democrats and Republicans end goals are essentially the same and neither is worthy of running the country.

Any smart person really... Doesn't have to be libertarian.

 

[Shelzin]

None of us should be enemies in this. The fact that it has come to the point of vehement hatred for the other sides policies and beliefs, to me means that we're simply a hop skip and a jump from another full blown civil war.

I believe people need to fight for what they believe in. So... While I wouldn't want one to start, I wouldn't be against fighting in it.

 

[Shelzin]

I say republican party and not republicans because I've noticed that many republicans don't know enough about other voters to know who the real enemy is when it comes to being elected to POTUS.

Libertarians are the voters who are killing the Republican parties chances of taking the white house. Before anyone says bullshit they are taking from the Democrats as well... Think on this... How many Republicans define themselves as libertarian... how many Democrats?

The point is that the Republican party, rightly so, are scared of losing those votes from libertarians. They are also afraid of them actually having any say in the platform of the republican party because those libertarian beliefs pull the teeth of the corporate machine that is running politics through politicians.

Gary Johnson's plan to boost the economy... Abolish the Corporate Tax, replace it with a Consumption Tax. How in gods name does any true republican not support that? Why aren't corporations absolutely throwing money at this guy trying to get him in the Whitehouse? Obviously they make more money keeping status quo.

And this is where the asshole in me comes out... See... Attacking Obama isn't going to get Mitt into the big chair... The people stopping that from happening is independents and libertarians. They are the enemy of that goal. And even they aren't your enemy, you're just either too fuck'n stupid/ignorant/or sheep to the republican/corporation cause to figure that out.

16 trillion dollars worth of big government should have them concerned. However speaking the truth on our fiscal condition wont get him elected either.

Repubs need to fight as dirty as democrats.

I agree, we have the logic and philosphy, now we just need the tactics......

Truth as I see it?

Only thing I know to do.

 

[jimowencassidy]

"Any smart Libertarian can see that Democrats and Republicans end goals are essentially the same and neither is worthy of running the country.

Any smart person really... Doesn't have to be libertarian."


if they are essentially the same, why do Democrats and Republicans hate each other so much... why can't.... we... just... get along?

I am neither a republican, democrat, liberal, or libertarian.

 

[Shelzin]

if they are essentially the same, why do Democrats and Republicans hate each other so much... why can't.... we... just... get along?

People are willing to remain ignorant so that they may feel as if they can have a positive impact in the process. That's my guess... Is it true? I don't know... I can't figure people out... Individuals is pretty easy... Humans in general? I think they are groups of retarded tribal monkeys.

I am neither a republican, democrat, liberal, or libertarian.

Good for you. As long as you support whoever best holds your values, if any, I don't care how you vote.

 

[candycorn]

I agree... Saying and doing are very different things. If a party, or individual, says one thing but does another... I'm going to believe what their actions imply.

Well... I agree with that, and that's why we have to change it, and it is actually happening, that's what is crazy.....Now if we can get these moderates out in TN.....uggggggggggggg

Actually it's not happening. Which is why the Republicans are going to lose to Obama.

In order to beat Obama, Mitt is going to have to address the real enemies of his campaign... Independents and Libertarians. But he can't do that without giving independents and libertarians a voice in the media... Which is something he sure as hell doesn't want to do because the people who actually run things want to keep things as they are.

You're right in the first part and wrong in the 2nd part. Romney's real enemy is his own track record. He can't talk about many issues because there is video evidence of him having the opposing view point.

Here is what Ron Paul put together:

Still Voting For 'Mitt Romney'? - YouTube

What do you think David Axelrod will do to the Governor's record?

 

[sarahgop]

lets work together instead of fractional strife dividing us.

 

[Shelzin]

Well... I agree with that, and that's why we have to change it, and it is actually happening, that's what is crazy.....Now if we can get these moderates out in TN.....uggggggggggggg

Actually it's not happening. Which is why the Republicans are going to lose to Obama.

In order to beat Obama, Mitt is going to have to address the real enemies of his campaign... Independents and Libertarians. But he can't do that without giving independents and libertarians a voice in the media... Which is something he sure as hell doesn't want to do because the people who actually run things want to keep things as they are.

You're right in the first part and wrong in the 2nd part. Romney's real enemy is his own track record. He can't talk about many issues because there is video evidence of him having the opposing view point.

Here is what Ron Paul put together:

Still Voting For 'Mitt Romney'? - YouTube

What do you think David Axelrod will do to the Governor's record?

Nothing. Democrats don't want to bring it up either. The only way it'll be an issue is if they *think* they'll lose very close to vote time. That way people will have four years to forget about it.

Edit: Meaning he won't address any of the independent/libertarian views. Obviously he'll use Romney's record against him as a flip flopper.

Sorry about that I was stuck on my original message.

 

[ScienceRocks]

lets work together instead of fractional strife dividing us.

Well, if they weren't insane that would be easier to do. How do you work with someone that wants to give the lower classes free everything and doesn’t value American culture? They think by replacing our culture with Islamic culture that somehow our way of life would remain the same. Look at the Islamic world to see that simply isn't going to work like that.

I can understand something’s, but I'm afraid that they want to dump a couple of thousand years of economic theory on its head. Not wise as that's like a child throwing his toys across the room. I agree with giving the workers what they earn and sadly do feel the owners(ceo's, ect) have become greedy pigs. There's a fine balance in business that could really hurt us if we act without thought. Another reason why these people scare me as they react based on emotions.

My disagreements are that I value a culture of freedom and technical advancement, and common sense. I doubt they see eye to eye with that. Pretty good reason for strong disagreement.

 

[hortysir]

I agree to an extent, I dont like third parties....that's why I like the tea party picking off polticians, it's actually happening....from within....
Now I like alot of Johnson's economic policies, but there is a lot of work to explain to counter the socialism taught in schools to get a majority of people to back it.....or a major paradigm swing......
The reason people dont want to get rid of corporate/income taxes is they are huge methods of control.....liberals talk about getting rid of loopholes, but they never do it...because they want to control people with the tax code.
They like the graduated tax code, because it pits people against each other and that's how socialists work and win, hence they looooove identity politics....what is a black issue? does it not effect everyone????????

Yes, we all know schools are nothing but communist/socialist propaganda factories, and everyone's kids should only be educated at Beck U

Why am I not surprised that, after two posts filled with rational thought, THIS is your contribution?

 

[hortysir]

Most Republicans are conservatives and while conservatives claim to believe in small government they really don't. They are just as happy to take advantage of big government when it suits their purposes. What I have seen in recent years, particularly during the Bush administration, is that so called conservatives are really just social conservatives, not economic conservatives or believers in personal freedom and liberty.

Libertarians actually walk the talk when it comes to personal freedom, liberty, and limited government, and that's the reason you've seen us pull away from supporting the GOP as a group over the past decade. The Republican Party does not truly believe in these things and that is evident in the way you've seen them treat folks like Ron Paul and his supporters who actually do.

Examples?

But you're not allowed to use anything that Obama voted for OR extended