Republican nihilism on all fronts

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    Once again the party of NO has shown itself to be irrelevant to the problems of our nation. What kind of leadership have the Republicans offered on any of the major problems that this nation is encountering today? In spite of the fact that most of these problems were created or excaberated by Republican leadership in the past eight years, all they have to say is NO. And that is precisely the message we must give the Rushpublican party again this election cycle.

    I’m not going to try. I’ve written countless “Democrats in Disarray” stories over the years and been critical of the left on numerous issues in the past. This year, the liberal insistence on a marginally relevant public option has been a tactical mistake that has enabled the right’s “government takeover” disinformation jihad. There have been times when Democrats have run demagogic scare campaigns on issues like Social Security and Medicare. There are more than a few Democrats who believe, in practice, that government should be run for the benefit of government employees’ unions. There are Democrats who are so solicitous of civil liberties that they would undermine legitimate covert intelligence collection. There are others who mistrust the use of military power under almost any circumstances. But these are policy differences, matters of substance. The most liberal members of the Democratic caucus — Senator Russ Feingold in the Senate, Representative Dennis Kucinich in the House, to name two — are honorable public servants who make their arguments based on facts. They don’t retail outright lies. Hyperbole and distortion certainly exist on the left, but they are a minor chord in the Democratic Party.

    It is a very different story among Republicans. To be sure, there are honorable conservatives, trying to do the right thing. There is a legitimate, if wildly improbable, fear that Obama’s plan will start a process that will end with a health-care system entirely controlled by the government. There are conservatives — Senator Lamar Alexander, Representative Mike Pence, among many others — who make their arguments based on facts. But they have been overwhelmed by nihilists and hypocrites more interested in destroying the opposition and gaining power than in the public weal. The philosophically supple party that existed as recently as George H.W. Bush’s presidency has been obliterated. The party’s putative intellectuals — people like the Weekly Standard’s William Kristol — are prosaic tacticians who make precious few substantive arguments but oppose health-care reform mostly because passage would help Barack Obama’s political prospects. In 1993, when the Clintons tried health-care reform, the Republican John Chafee offered a creative (in fact, superior) alternative — which Kristol quashed with his famous “Don’t Help Clinton” fax to the troops. There is no Republican health-care alternative in 2009. The same people who rail against a government takeover of health care tried to enforce a government takeover of Terri Schiavo’s end-of-life decisions. And when Palin floated the “death panel” canard, the number of prominent Republicans who rose up to call her out could be counted on one hand.
    Joe Klein on the GOP: “How can you sustain a democracy if one of the two major political parties has been overrun by nihilists? … How can you maintain the illusion of journalistic impartiality when one of the political parties has jumped
     
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    I like Joe Klein. I'll enjoy watching folks try to paint him as a lib rather than address the issues in his article.

    This actually isn't something new. The GOP has been building to this point since early 2000. They were dealt a near death blow in 2006 and again in 2008, and simply refuse to learn.

    You will win at the polls only if the moderates and independents side with you. The tone that Rush/Sean/Glenn/etc adopt in books and talk programs may work in that format, but if you act that way on the public stage, you're heading towards the dustbin of history, at least in a Democracy.

    Until the GOP figures that out, it won't come back. They may have small victories (they may even take back one of the branches of Congress in 2010 because the Democrats can't seem to help but screw up), but they won't enjoy the level of power or popularity they enjoyed in the early Bush days.

    If they continue to take direction from the Talk Radio Crowd, Obama will walk to a near 50 state victory in 2012, with Biden to follow in 2016.
     
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    The party of no is a leftist fiction of the first water, as there are a least two different Repoublican health care plans out there. One is the Gingrich Plan which may be viewed at American Solutions if you're actually interested in reality rather than lying talking points, and another that has actually ben introduced before the House but is being ignored by the house Democratic leadership.

    And let's not forget that most of the damage to the economy is the result of The Senate Democrats notably Barney Frank and Chriss Dodd's sabotaging of the Republican attempts beginning in 2003 to reform the process at Fannie and Freddie.

    Oh and Joe Kline does lean more than a little to the left
     
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    OH he forgot a long time ago. He barely remembers who he is.
     
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    Republicans have two different health care plans. Good one. Instead of working with Democrats, they are competing. How very bipartisan.
    This is why Obama's base has been telling him to stop courting Republicans. They have already told him they want him to FAIL.
     
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    are you still trotting out the fake notion that democrats want play a bipartisan game? What an idiot.
     
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    Yes we want bills that will promote socialized medicine to fail.
     
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    Dem and Now. Before and After Dems took Control of Congress

    1) Consumer confidence stood at @ 102.9. Consumer confidence plummet 54 which is an increase over the last 2 months! That’s down from 102!

    2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon. The cost of regular gasoline soars to over 4.12 and is now $2.58 a gallon;

    ‘With Skyrocketing Gas Prices, Americans Can No Longer Afford Rubber Stamp Congress” Nancy Pelosi Monday, April 24, 2006

    Barack Obama: “I think that I would have preferred a gradual adjustment.” June 2008

    3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%. Unemployment is now 9.7%

    4) Gold was $625 down from $700 in May 06 when it looked like Reps might hold control. Spot Gold 9/17/2009 $1012.

    5) Barrel of Crude $60. Barrel of Crude $72 (9/17/09) Price of crude falls as US Economic activity continue to contract under Socialist policies of Obama & Dems.

    6) Value of Dollar (euro) 1.28. Value of Dollar (euro) 1.47

    7) Deficit $248 Billion. The Number is so huge we need to use scientific notation. It’s 1.8 X10^12 !!

    8) US Debt $8.4T. We need to use Scientific notation again because the debt ceiling was just raised to 1.2X10^13!

    “America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.” -- BH Obama
     
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    Dems conduct during Terri Schiavo certainly looked like Death Panels
     
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    What a slimy lie. The Pubs happily sided with Chris and Barney (who is in the House, by the way, but your inaccuracies never trouble you) on this matter. Throw them all out.
     

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