Republican Ideology through History

[DiamondDave]

Over 80% of toxic mortgages were private lenders that had nothing to do with Fannie Freddie. Total BS

link??

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Over 80% of toxic mortgages were private lenders that had nothing to do with Fannie Freddie. Total BS

The one line of banking business that went into the tank was the one where the GSE set the rules and were the largest lender.

 

[Failzero]

Democrat Party = Party of the Klan (Now Defunct original Knights of the Ku Klux Klan) !

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Pubs suq, have since Lincoln. Corporate, big business tools. Caused 2 depressions ...Isolationism out of myopic greed before WWII, Military industrial tool since WWII. Great salesmen though> so many dupes.

Are you like 14?

I think that one's got major substance abuse issues....

 

[francoHFW]

Read something that's not Murdoch, Rev. Moon, or Heritage, Brookings...Pub Dupes!! 80% of loans were private 2003-6 when the bubble was built. You are misled.

 

[DiamondDave]

Read something that's not Murdoch, Rev. Moon, or Heritage, Brookings...Pub Dupes!! 80% of loans were private 2003-6 when the bubble was built. You are misled.

link???

or are you just another winger making up stats as you go??

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Read something that's not Murdoch, Rev. Moon, or Heritage, Brookings...Pub Dupes!! 80% of loans were private 2003-6 when the bubble was built. You are misled.

Sure, we were. Sure.

Saying the bubble was built in 03-06 is like saying it was that last gallon of water that sunk the Titanic.

 

[Avorysuds]

It is hard to believe threads like this are made. People like this need to be broadcasted on TV so the world can see how stupid they are.

 

[toxicmedia]

It is hard to believe threads like this are made. People like this need to be broadcasted on TV so the world can see how stupid they are.

The problem is...in 2011...Republicans cannot imagine a Republican who isn't a Christian conservative. They don't remember Rockefeller VS Goldwater, or conservative southern Dixiecrats in the 40's-60's. The Republican party in 1860 was liberal by the standard of the day. It wasn't till after the CRA and the 60's that all the conservative Non-Wallace Democrats flocked to the Republica party. Even then...there were conservatives in the Democratic party and liberals in the Republican party.

Too bad nobody can stand each other anymore, or diversity. We have post Atwater politics and 24 hour cable news to thank for putting nonsense into people's heads like this.

 

[Oddball]

The problem is...in 2011...Republicans cannot imagine a Republican who isn't a Christian conservative.

Nonsense....I haven't heard Dr. Paul, Cain or Johnson play any of the nanny statist right's favorite hits.

They don't remember Rockefeller VS Goldwater, or conservative southern Dixiecrats in the 40's-60's.

I do... Little in the world of politics would please me more than to see the GOP purge itself of its establishmentarian Rockefeller neocon trash....Problem being is that it is they and the religious nutbars (who are in fact a small minority within the party) that get all the ink and face time.

It wasn't till after the CRA and the 60's that all the conservative Non-Wallace Democrats flocked to the Republica party. Even then...there were conservatives in the Democratic party and liberals in the Republican party.

Yeah, and all the warmongering democrats fled to the GOP and established the neocons as the bums who run that mess.

Oh well, looks like my vote for LP candidates is safe for another election cycle.

 

[Avorysuds]

It is hard to believe threads like this are made. People like this need to be broadcasted on TV so the world can see how stupid they are.

The problem is...in 2011...Republicans cannot imagine a Republican who isn't a Christian conservative. They don't remember Rockefeller VS Goldwater, or conservative southern Dixiecrats in the 40's-60's. The Republican party in 1860 was liberal by the standard of the day. It wasn't till after the CRA and the 60's that all the conservative Non-Wallace Democrats flocked to the Republica party. Even then...there were conservatives in the Democratic party and liberals in the Republican party.

Too bad nobody can stand each other anymore, or diversity. We have post Atwater politics and 24 hour cable news to thank for putting nonsense into people's heads like this.

Name a non Christian Democrat President...

But I see some of your point.

 

[midcan5]

"The 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy." Alex Carey [see Democracy after Citizens United | MIT World ]


Mudwhistle, that's not even funny, it reminds me of south park which I personally find moronic, but thanks.

Mad Scientist, If I copy something it is in quotes with source or author. I started a blog for practice where this is posted too.

Lonestar_logic, I started in the time period I would consider the beginning of modern America. Industry grew and changed the political and cultural landscape at the end of the 19Th century, but modern politics was born when corporate power grew and corporate propaganda developed and had a means of distribution. Ideas have power - I will continue to explore this aspect.

Bitterlyclingin, That's pure baloney, too ridiculous for comment.

Peach174, I'd suggest you read real history, see this and follow my replies: http://www.usmessageboard.com/history/180822-i-welcome-their-hatred-fdr.html Also for the interested see this: [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Great-Depression-New-Deal-Introductions/dp/0195326342/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8]Amazon.com: The Great Depression and the New Deal: A Very Short Introduction (Very Short Introductions) (9780195326345): Eric Rauchway: Books[/ame] or Galbriath's book: [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Great-Crash-1929-Kenneth-Galbraith/dp/B004E3XD9Y/ref=sr_1_15?s=books&ie=UTF8]Amazon.com: The Great Crash 1929: John Kenneth Galbraith: Books[/ame]

FrancoHFW, Exactly right in post 38.

Toxicmedia, good points.

I have posted a bit of this before and probably on this site. Anyone who thinks they can counter it, please provide a source, as you know I have hundreds of links, quotes, and data and will provide proof of any contested point.

The proof is in the pudding and history exists as proof of my post.


"Not only does there seem to be widespread social fragmentation and disillusionment with democracy in the United States, but the possibility of reversing this sense of alienation appears to many of us to be already lost. Any democratic president who wants to institute the desperately needed reforms in health, welfare and the environment faces one of two options. He can stick by his reform program and suffer a loss of public confidence through orchestrated campaigns to publicly portray him as 'too liberal' and ineffectual (the Carter image) or too indecisive or sexually indiscreet (the Clinton image). Alternatively, a reforming democratic president can move further to the Right, forget his promises and become part of the propaganda campaign. Given the history of democratic propaganda in the United States, some of us doubt that another Roosevelt or New Deal is possible. The political system is now so attuned to business interests that this kind of reformer could no longer institute the substantial health, welfare, education, environmental and employment reforms the country needs." Andrew Lohrey, Introduction, Alex Carey "Taking the Risk Out of Democracy"

 

[Oddball]

What's the point in giving a cheap propagandist's dreck overload any sort of legitimacy, by wasting the time to refute it with actual reality?

After all, you're already so divorced from reality such that effort would just be met with more hallucinations and abreaction to the cognitive dissonance.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

"The 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy." Alex Carey [see Democracy after Citizens United | MIT World ]


Mudwhistle, that's not even funny, it reminds me of south park which I personally find moronic, but thanks.

Mad Scientist, If I copy something it is in quotes with source or author. I started a blog for practice where this is posted too.

Lonestar_logic, I started in the time period I would consider the beginning of modern America. Industry grew and changed the political and cultural landscape at the end of the 19Th century, but modern politics was born when corporate power grew and corporate propaganda developed and had a means of distribution. Ideas have power - I will continue to explore this aspect.

Bitterlyclingin, That's pure baloney, too ridiculous for comment.

Peach174, I'd suggest you read real history, see this and follow my replies: http://www.usmessageboard.com/history/180822-i-welcome-their-hatred-fdr.html Also for the interested see this: Amazon.com: The Great Depression and the New Deal: A Very Short Introduction (Very Short Introductions) (9780195326345): Eric Rauchway: Books or Galbriath's book: Amazon.com: The Great Crash 1929: John Kenneth Galbraith: Books

FrancoHFW, Exactly right in post 38.

Toxicmedia, good points.

I have posted a bit of this before and probably on this site. Anyone who thinks they can counter it, please provide a source, as you know I have hundreds of links, quotes, and data and will provide proof of any contested point.

The proof is in the pudding and history exists as proof of my post.


"Not only does there seem to be widespread social fragmentation and disillusionment with democracy in the United States, but the possibility of reversing this sense of alienation appears to many of us to be already lost. Any democratic president who wants to institute the desperately needed reforms in health, welfare and the environment faces one of two options. He can stick by his reform program and suffer a loss of public confidence through orchestrated campaigns to publicly portray him as 'too liberal' and ineffectual (the Carter image) or too indecisive or sexually indiscreet (the Clinton image). Alternatively, a reforming democratic president can move further to the Right, forget his promises and become part of the propaganda campaign. Given the history of democratic propaganda in the United States, some of us doubt that another Roosevelt or New Deal is possible. The political system is now so attuned to business interests that this kind of reformer could no longer institute the substantial health, welfare, education, environmental and employment reforms the country needs." Andrew Lohrey, Introduction, Alex Carey "Taking the Risk Out of Democracy"

What's to counter? It's pure rubbish... although I do give points for consistency.

 

[Mr.Nick]

I love how he started with the "roaring twenties" because the 80 previous years would be considered as opposition to democratic racism and the KKK that even lasted into the 1950's.

It seems democrats (or federalists) continually change their objectives, whether its white supremacy, government authoritarian ideas, pseudo-patriotism, anarchism and socialism/communism and back to totalitarian socialism.

 

[toxicmedia]

The problem is...in 2011...Republicans cannot imagine a Republican who isn't a Christian conservative.

Nonsense....I haven't heard Dr. Paul, Cain or Johnson play any of the nanny statist right's favorite hits.

They don't remember Rockefeller VS Goldwater, or conservative southern Dixiecrats in the 40's-60's.

I do... Little in the world of politics would please me more than to see the GOP purge itself of its establishmentarian Rockefeller neocon trash....Problem being is that it is they and the religious nutbars (who are in fact a small minority within the party) that get all the ink and face time.

It wasn't till after the CRA and the 60's that all the conservative Non-Wallace Democrats flocked to the Republica party. Even then...there were conservatives in the Democratic party and liberals in the Republican party.

Yeah, and all the warmongering democrats fled to the GOP and established the neocons as the bums who run that mess.

Oh well, looks like my vote for LP candidates is safe for another election cycle.

Goldwater was more of a neocon than Rockefeller. In fact...Irving Kristol and Goldwater are the quintessential neocons. Neocons can be identified by wanting to reverse FDR's new deal. That was the cold war days....everyone was a warmonger by today's standards.

Who is Cain?.....or Johnson?.....I'll tell you..."nobodies"....and Ron Paul?.....the Christian Conservatives that make up 90% of the Republican party hate him....I like Ron Paul...but he's hated because he's not a Christian conservative pro war candidate...and 95% of the Republican party is pro war and Christian. I can't imagine why you wouldn't hate the GOP if you like Ron Paul.

Warmongering Democrats?......which ones?...when?.....I mean, which warmongering Democrats are you talking about? FDR, Kennedy, or LBJ?.....and WTF does that matter when the Democratic party approves of militarism so much less than the Republicans YOU will probably vote for.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

[Please check later posts for any updates]

Roaring Twenties, growth of the automobile and a war economy
Harding reduces taxes on the wealthy to spur growth
Three consecutive republican administrations, supply side economics prevail
Republicans align themselves with big business
Coolidge/Hoover presidencies a bubble mentality ensues as wall street speculation grows
Bubble bursts, banks collapse, economy collapses
Rigid republican policy prevents creative workable solutions
Great Depression begins - Hoover ineffective
Hoover a businessman gets advice from the wealthy and National Association of Manufacturers
Hoover does little substantive eventually fails completely
FDR rescues the nation from Great Depression, creates job programs
FDR creates strong regulatory structure
These are the times of radio and newspapers
FDR creates the greatest single asset for all Americans: Social Security
FDR masterfully fought WWII along with Churchill and help from Stalin
FDR wins three terms and is ranked by most as the greatest modern period American president
Sixty years of American exceptionalism follow FDR's presidency
Truman ends the savagery of World War II with Japan with the ultimate savagery
Truman uses UN in Korean war effort over fear of communism's spread
Truman extends New Deal and Civil rights
WWII end brings prosperity to America due to GI Bill, home growth, and durable goods growth
High tax rates continue until seventies and eighties
American corporations support the American worker with pensions and healthcare
Eisenhower ignores right wing war mongering republicans, extends civil rights
Warren court hands down ruling on public school segregation
Eisenhower continues progressivism, Vietnam involvement continues from Truman
Eisenhower's grand idea and job's program, the Interstate highway begins
Eisenhower commits to helping South Vietnam
The 'Cold War' clouds the mind of America creating an atmosphere of fear and distrust
Nixon loses to Kennedy in first TV election
Kennedy buys into ridiculous Bay of Pigs plan from Eisenhower administration
America's youth gain power prestige and purchasing power
Advertising, aka propaganda, grows as TV replaces radio
Kennedy reduces taxes for wealthy
Battle for space with Russia consumes America's resources
Blacks decide waiting any longer for equality is too long
Rosa Parks, among others, and Martin Luther King motivate a freedom movement long pass due
Camelot ends in Dallas
LBJ foolishly listens to war cries concerning domino effect and tragically involves America in Nam
LBJ advances civil rights and extended welfare so all Americans can have a little of the pie
Voter rights extended to all under Johnson Administration
Like FDR, Lyndon Baines Johnson moves America a bit closer to fairness and equality
LBJ creates the second great American accomplishment for seniors Medicare
Anti-war demonstrations change attitudes and diminish LBJ social achievements
Nixon has secret plan for ending Vietnam but paranoid personality ruins administration
Nixon opens up trade to China and negotiates with Mother Russia
Internet begins with DOD project to protect communications against Armageddon
Nixon's fear of loss and his administration misfits create Watergate
Fearing impeachment Nixon resigns, Ford takes helm
Carter elected, religion enters politics
Carter inherits stagflation economy from Nixon / Ford
Carter supports Afghanistan against Russian occupation, seeds are set for growth of insurgency terrorism
CNN and the start of 24 by 7 news begins
Carter reduces taxes for wealthy and increases military spending
Iranian militants take Americans captive
Oil embargo hurts Carter but efforts at energy policy are forgotten as Reagan wins
Reagan starts the destruction of the middle class in part by making government the problem
Reagan starts destruction of regulatory agencies that eventually lead to the Great Recession of today
Reagan reduces taxes for wealthy - corporations and think tanks gain persuasive powers
Reagan or his administration realize their errors and raise taxes several times, including largest peace time tax
America becomes a debtor nation under Reagan, invades Grenada
Reagan escapes impeachment over Iran Contra
Bush Sr experiences effect of Reagan economic policies, economy collapses, real estate boom crash, S&L scandal, bailouts to rescue nation again after republican policies
G.H.W. Bush loses to William Jefferson Clinton as Republican policies once more fail the nation
Internet commercialization grows as browsers develop and business goes online
Clinton raises taxes, economy recovers aided by millennium and Internet bubble
Clinton buys into financial nonsense, supporting NAFTA, regulatory and welfare reform
Clinton raises minimum wage and job growth continues
Armies of money and power go after Clinton on healthcare proposal, spending publicly and privately millions
Silly DADT policy implemented after republican opposition to more open policy
Clinton moves right and sells out progressive values
Monica and the meaning of 'is' fill the news and blanket real issues
Republicans with nothing else on their agenda investigate and try to impeach Clinton
Millions are spent to remove a democratically elected president
Gore wins popular vote, republicans fight Florida recount
Bush-Gore election goes to Bush as SCOTUS has moved from interpreters of law to corporate ideologues
Bush proves himself inept in all ways, but 911 attack creates fear and more war cries
Bush proves himself an incompetent leader who creates massive debt and war deaths
Clinton surplus is squandered on tax relief primarily for the wealthy
'War on Terror' clouds the mind of America creating an atmosphere of fear
Bush, as Reagan did, grows government and creates massive federal debt
Katrina incompetence represents firsthand the failure of republican governance
Loss of regulatory structure starting with Reagan and continuing with Clinton and Bush helps creates housing bubble
Bush invades Iraq based on trumped up propaganda about WMDs and scare tactics
Real estate bubble bursts over poor investments and just plain greed and stupidity on wall street and investment firms
Loss of regulatory structures again leads to economic collapse in America and the world
Great depression fears grow again after eight years of republican governance
National Association of Manufacturers and other corporations today own congress due to need for election monies
Economy collapses under Bush and bailouts are once again required during a republican administration
One in four children in America suffers hunger. Job loss and poverty increase again under republican business governance
Obama wins election for 'change' due to the total failure of Bush and the republicans
Armies of money and power again mount offensive attacking the American values of justice and fairness represented by Obama
Election loss creates powerful forces against change of status quo
Outsourcing automation and downsizing negatively affect job growth in America
Big money conservatives again fight against the workings of democracy
Republican judicial appointees mount war against voter rights and democratic government
Obama's help of GM is a financial and job saving success
Republican presidents have worst job record with the Bushs as the worst of the lot
Tea party forms supported by big money and rigid ideology
The corporatist SCOTUS decides corporations are really people
Obama attempts at bipartisanship and compromise prove impossible
Market up under Obama (30% at time of writing)
Stimulus for America helps but republicans fight against American values of sharing the pie
Obama passes Healthcare policy, keeps campaign promises on wars
America is too scared to live up to its principles of a fair trial and creates military tribunals
DADT is finally removed but Obama shows no guts as billions are squandered on Bush's tax policy that failed completely
Job numbers improve greatly from Bush but European fears and globalism affect markets
Big money fights healthcare and think tank rhetoric distorts potential cost savings
Wall street fights hard to maintain its wild west greed mentality
Mid term elections prove once again America's workers and working class don't vote in sufficient numbers
Republicans block all job bills and block Obama's nominations for public office
Obama's Libyan policy is successful with minor expenditure
Tea party ideologues try to sabotage government on dept ceiling to bring down America's elected president
Bush Jr tax policies still govern America as republicans fight for big oil and big money
Poverty in America increases as republicans fight for the wealthy and the corporations
America's credit rating is downgraded due to intransigence of republicans in congress
Republican presidential candidates kowtow to tea party and Norquist tax pledge
Wages for working Americans have been flat since Reagan with minor jump during Clinton
Election cycle begins again as focus moves back to power rather than governance
Republican governed state houses work to bring back Jim Crow and voter suppression
Republicans cheer loudly for death penalty numbers
Republican election audience demonstrate 'compassionate conservative' was always an oxymoron
Republicans with nothing productive to do try to capsize Obama administration as they did Clinton
Only 12% of Americans think Congress is doing a good job and a majority want their own representatives removed from office
Romney moves into Flip-Flopville and Perry gains strength due to his extreme views and cowboy image
Republicans still mention taxes and regulation as economic panaceas after their proven failure for nearly a hundred years
While republicans often mention freedom they are the least free politicians, ideology prevents working towards solutions
The rigid republican ideology explains their failures when given the reigns of governance
Republicans today only want power back and stand in the way of jobs and rebuilding America
America's political system, and even our court system, has moved away from practical politics that works for the people to a system that works only the politician, big money and corporations
And so it goes....

Recent: Obama's job plan will help unemployment and American states and cities rebuild, just as Roosevelt's did, but republicans again sidetrack real issues with malarkey about spending, taxes, and regulation, proving once again that the love of money is the greatest evil and the average voter has a short memory and pays little attention to results. It would seem that republicans with corporate support are still fighting Franklin Roosevelt's accomplishments and the freedoms given all by Lyndon Baines Johnson? President Obama is finally on the attack, recognizing when politics is only about power and money, and not about America, compromise is impossible.


[If anyone decides to counter this factual history please provide substantive information. Blanket statements will be considered irrelevant. Ad hominem statements are not counterpoints.]

?thank you for conclusively demonstrating you know less about history than I did in 8th grade. Considering that I though history was boring and did my best to ignore it entirely then, that is quite an accomplishment.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Anyone actually believe that the OP compiled that list on his own?

Smells like plagiarism.

Tacky.

If he had compiled it on his won it would include an irrelevant quote from a source that proves the opposite of what he wanted to say.

 

[Oddball]

Goldwater was more of a neocon than Rockefeller. In fact...Irving Kristol and Goldwater are the quintessential neocons. Neocons can be identified by wanting to reverse FDR's new deal. That was the cold war days....everyone was a warmonger by today's standards.

Pure....unadulterated....bullshit.

Neocons are perfectly happy to go along with FDR's socialistic welfare state...In fact, they sell themselves at being better stewards of the federal gravy train....Try again.

We've Been Neo-Conned by Rep. Ron Paul

Who is Cain?.....or Johnson?.....I'll tell you..."nobodies"....and Ron Paul?.....the Christian Conservatives that make up 90% of the Republican party hate him....I like Ron Paul...but he's hated because he's not a Christian conservative pro war candidate...and 95% of the Republican party is pro war and Christian. I can't imagine why you wouldn't hate the GOP if you like Ron Paul.

Cain and Johnson are known by people who are paying attention to something other than the mutts that the lamestream media are pimping as "front-runners"....That "Christian Conservatives that make up 90% of the Republican party" crap is more shit shoveled at you by those same media and pop culture hacks...Seems you're cherry picking which myths you'll buy into and which you won't.

Personally, I detest that GOP candidates campaign mostly as libertarains and govern like socialists.

Warmongering Democrats?......which ones?...when?.....I mean, which warmongering Democrats are you talking about? FDR, Kennedy, or LBJ?.....and WTF does that matter when the Democratic party approves of militarism so much less than the Republicans YOU will probably vote for.

Wilson, FDR, Truman & LBJ in particular.

Haven't voted for a single GOP candidate since '94, fool.

 

[toxicmedia]

Goldwater was more of a neocon than Rockefeller. In fact...Irving Kristol and Goldwater are the quintessential neocons. Neocons can be identified by wanting to reverse FDR's new deal. That was the cold war days....everyone was a warmonger by today's standards.

Pure....unadulterated....bullshit.

Neocons are perfectly happy to go along with FDR's socialistic welfare state...In fact, they sell themselves at being better stewards of the federal gravy train....Try again.

We've Been Neo-Conned by Rep. Ron Paul

Who is Cain?.....or Johnson?.....I'll tell you..."nobodies"....and Ron Paul?.....the Christian Conservatives that make up 90% of the Republican party hate him....I like Ron Paul...but he's hated because he's not a Christian conservative pro war candidate...and 95% of the Republican party is pro war and Christian. I can't imagine why you wouldn't hate the GOP if you like Ron Paul.

Cain and Johnson are known by people who are paying attention to something other than the mutts that the lamestream media are pimping as "front-runners"....That "Christian Conservatives that make up 90% of the Republican party" crap is more shit shoveled at you by those same media and pop culture hacks...Seems you're cherry picking which myths you'll buy into and which you won't.

Personally, I detest that GOP candidates campaign mostly as libertarains and govern like socialists.

Warmongering Democrats?......which ones?...when?.....I mean, which warmongering Democrats are you talking about? FDR, Kennedy, or LBJ?.....and WTF does that matter when the Democratic party approves of militarism so much less than the Republicans YOU will probably vote for.

Wilson, FDR, Truman & LBJ in particular.

Haven't voted for a single GOP candidate since '94, fool.

You're a really hostile person aren't you?....anyone who can't hold a civil discussion without insults is, well..you know.

btw....I don't watch themainstream media.