"Report: Ukrainian and DNC connection in 2016 election getting larger in scope"

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    PAID FOR by a Trump donor, script written by Rudolf Giuliani.

    Rudy tutti is in the Ukraine now working on the OAN documentary film......

    Now we know why Trump refused to go the DOJ legal path.... :rolleyes:

    Chalupa was never paid or hired for opposition research...
     
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    Yep, impeachment is the proper constitutional route.
     
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    1. Sending lethal US weapons like anti-tank Javelins, or not, to the Ukraine in 2014 had nothing to do with "corruption". That's when there was intense fighting in east Ukraine and they really needed the "lethal" aid. So Dr. Hill's whining that Trump withheld desperately needed aid for a few weeks and that affected US national security is total hypocritical bullshit. The US military is just fine with or without the Ukraine, thank you.
    Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014–present) - Wikipedia
    Impeachment witness Fiona Hill once opposed sending lethal aid to Ukraine in fight with Russia

    2. Burisma and other Ukrainian corporations are still corrupt as testified to by all of Schiff's witnesses. The point being that Trump withheld the aid while the Ukraine changed regimes from Poroshenko to Zelensky and implemented anti-corruption measures. Poroshenko went to Russia and took about $30b in stolen funds. The delay was totally justified.

    3. There may have been many reasons to withhold the release of the $400m. How do you know it was ONLY for "announcing an investigation into Burisma"?
    Explain to me how investigating a corrupt Burisma is an investigation into Joe Biden? I call total bullshit.
     
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    I don’t like your euphemism for ‘lying sack of shit.’
     
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    the delay WAS NOT justified...it broke the law.

    the law states that the Pentagon had to investigate the Ukraine for any corruption before they could release the military aid money...
    the aid appropriation was passed by congress and signed by the president in February 2019.

    The Pentagon investigated all in the Ukraine and early June 2019 they finished their investigation and gave the clear, to release the aid.

    Trump illegally stopped the release of the aid, without notifying congress and giving his reason...which also broke the law.
     
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    Yes, I believe our own diplomatic and intelligence professionals over a Comedian who got elected and doesn't want to get in the middle of our electoral squabbles.
     
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    Here's the difference.... in 2014, no one thought direct intervention was appropriate. By 2018, they had.

    If was totally justified, why didn't Trump go to Congress and say, "This is what I'm delaying and this is why I'm delaying it."

    The problem with, "Everything normal, nothing to see here" is belied by the fact that Trump not only went behind Congress' back, but the backs of his own Diplomatic and Military professionals using Rudy the Bagman.

    Even the heavily redacted transcript MENTIONED JOE BIDEN BY NAME. Every witness said that it was about smearing Joe Biden, not doing a legit investigation- which again, there are diplomatic and legal channels to use.
     
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    Zelensky knew about the military money being withheld in July... and he's still waiting for ALL of it... about 14% of money STILL hasn't been sent, about 30 million.

    And OF COURSE Zelensky would not go against Swamp critter Trump, hIs Country desperately needs all the money....

    We've got phone calls from the Ukraine diplomats calling our diplomats on the aid money asking about why it has not been released and when will it be released...in late July 2019, that's simply a fact!

    AND YES the Ukraine reopened an investigation in to Burisma/Biden and MADE the announcement in public, only not on a CNN interview as initially planned before the whistleblower...

    we have several Russian sympathizer trolls who post here on the site that started threads on this announcement....

    Inside Ukraine’s ‘Audit’ of Hunter Biden Company Investigation

    Ukrainian prosecutors are reviewing their investigation into Burisma, the energy company where Hunter Biden worked
     
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    1. The delay did not break the law, bullshit. Funding is delayed all the time for many legitimate reasons
    2. Agreed that the pentagon investigated the Ukraine and said it was ok
    3. Agreed that the money was approved by congress and the president

    The other pertinent "facts" that you are ignoring are:
    1. The Ukraine just had elections and Poroshenko was out and Zelensky was in
    2. Poroshenko went to Russia and took about $30 of Ukraiinaian funds
    3. The Ukraine was changing administrations fro Poroshenko's guys to Zelensky's guys
    4. Their "parliament" was revising laws to deter corruption,
    5. Trump wanted the EU to kick-in more funding
    6. Burisma and other corporations were still too powerful and corrupt, as testified to by Schiff's witnsses
    7. Trump delayed the funding as long as he could without jeopardizing it, then released it
    8. When he released it the new government was up and running.
     
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    1. 2014 was when the heavy fighting was happening in east Ukraine, and when the Ukraine really needed the "lethal aid". There was no excuse for sending blankets instead of Javelin anti-tank weapons. How many of the 14,000 dead Ukes could have been averted if they had proper weapons? Dr. Hill admitted she fucked it up and changed her mind.

    2. Trump doesn't need to justify anything to congress. Trump had the funds, and was required by law to ensure that there was no corruption before releasing the funding.

    3. I'm not a fan of the clumsy "announce the investigation and we'll release the money" ploy. Trump had every legitimate right to require an investigation of Burisma before releasing the money. Trump fucked up by saying "investigate the Bidens". That was just an unforced error. I don't believe that's an impeachable error, but its an error. Trump just proved he's not as smart as he thinks he is. Lesson learned, he is NOT the fucking CEO of the Federal government.

    4. I still call bullshit on smearing Joe Biden. A Ukrainian investigation can't invent wrongdoing for Joe Biden if he's not involved with Burisma. Either Joe Biden got some of that Burisma/Soros cash via QPQ, or he didn't.
     
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