Repeal of the ACA will be impossible - you need 2/3's vote

[bigrebnc1775]

Oh, how many was he referring to? Please clarify.

Well will it affect the middle class>

What % of the middle class are you saying it will affect?

I asked Will this new tax created by obama affect the middle class the people he said he would never tax?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Yes, the fear reaking from SF is highly cantagious to far right extremists and libertarians.

That you have started such a thread illustrates repeal is not only possible - but highly likely.

Smell the fear.

Jake see nothing wrong with the thread but attacks a Republican

 

[Dick Tuck]

Why does the right wing think they will be able to repeal the ACA?

Both Romney and Obama support the individual mandate. So no matter who wins, you'll need a 2/3 vote in both houses to override their veto.

In fact, I don't see why the thing is even such a big issue, considering both major candidates support it.

Since it's a tax no you don't and now democrats must argue why they want to raise taxes on the middle class and young people.

The so-called tax only applies to free-loaders. I gather you're in favor teat sucking.

 

[Stephanie]

You got to love the Democrats NEW word

Freeloaders

So that is why we need the Government to come after your ass..

 

[Big Fitz]

You got to love the Democrats NEW word

Freeloaders

So that is why we need the Government to come after your ass..

Yep. The talking point went out last thursday.

Freeloader: Someone who does not wish to be forced onto a government healthcare plan or be forced to buy health insurance.

Since when did being independant mean... being dependant?

Fucking Orwellian Double Think

 

[Greenbeard]

Actually, it's a lie since it was passed through reconciliation. The same process can be used to repeal it.

The ACA wasn't passed using reconciliation; it received 60 votes to break a filibuster and pass out of the Senate in 2009. Certain budget-related aspects of it were amended by a reconciliation bill (Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010) but those kinds of budget-related edits are the only thing you can do with reconciliation.

So Republicans could try to reduce the mandate penalty to $0 using reconciliation, but they wouldn't be able to overturn the insurance rules or unwind the exchanges, etc.

 

[Stephanie]

You got to love the Democrats NEW word

Freeloaders

So that is why we need the Government to come after your ass..

Yep. The talking point went out last thursday.

Freeloader: Someone who does not wish to be forced onto a government healthcare plan or be forced to buy health insurance.

Since when did being independant mean... being dependant?

Fucking Orwellian Double Think

I'm amazed at all the sheep that is now spewing freeloader

 

[Big Fitz]

Actually, it's a lie since it was passed through reconciliation. The same process can be used to repeal it.

The ACA wasn't passed using reconciliation; it received 60 votes to break a filibuster and pass out of the Senate in 2009. Certain budget-related aspects of it were amended by a reconciliation bill (Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010) but those kinds of budget-related edits are the only thing you can do with reconciliation.

So Republicans could try to reduce the mandate penalty to $0 using reconciliation, but they wouldn't be able to overturn the insurance rules or unwind the exchanges, etc.

Hence the reason all the more to repeal it all.

 

[The T]

You got to love the Democrats NEW word

Freeloaders

So that is why we need the Government to come after your ass..

Yep. The talking point went out last thursday.

Freeloader: Someone who does not wish to be forced onto a government healthcare plan or be forced to buy health insurance.

Since when did being independant mean... being dependant?

Fucking Orwellian Double Think

Especially when it's being balked at by those that have to pay for it...Freeloaders? Really?

These people are the Antithesis to reality.

 

[Avatar4321]

Since it's a tax, they only need 51 votes in the Senate to repeal it. Romney will sign it. He promised he would. If he doesnt, he wouldnt have a shot in hell of getting reelected and he knows it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

One, Romney wants some form of romneycare nationally.

Two, GOP are not going to get the 60 votes they need in the Senate.

Three, there will be some sort of compromise that will permit the reform and revision of ACA.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Since it's a tax, they only need 51 votes in the Senate to repeal it. Romney will sign it. He promised he would. If he doesnt, he wouldnt have a shot in hell of getting reelected and he knows it.

You clearly do not understand that only budgetary items require 51 votes. To repeal ACA in the Senate will require 60 votes. Romney will repeal any bill that does not follow the rules.

Why?

He wants to reform and revise ACA into national romneycare.

 

[mudwhistle]

Why does the right wing think they will be able to repeal the ACA?

Both Romney and Obama support the individual mandate. So no matter who wins, you'll need a 2/3 vote in both houses to override their veto.

In fact, I don't see why the thing is even such a big issue, considering both major candidates support it.

They passed it with less than a 2/3 vote so it can be repealed through the same process.

In the Senate any tax increases can be passed with only 51 votes. The same law can be repealed through reconciliation which requires 51 votes.

 

[Avatar4321]

Doesnt need to be 60 votes.

 

[Contumacious]

The ACA wasn't passed using reconciliation; .

HUH?

Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010

By the end of 2009, separate health care reform bills had been passed by both houses of Congress. The Senate bill, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, became the most viable avenue to reform following the death of Democratic Senator Ted Kennedy and his replacement by Republican Scott Brown. Lacking a filibuster-proof supermajority in the Senate, the Obama administration and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi began encouraging the House to pass an amended version of the Senate bill using the reconciliation process.[4]

Under the Fiscal Year 2010 budget resolution[5], the text submitted to the Budget Committee had to have been reported by October 15, 2009.[6] Therefore, the Democrats combined the text of America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 as reported out of the Ways and Means Committee, and as it was reported out of the Education and Labor Committee, and the text of the Student Aid and Fiscal Responsibility Act as reported out of the Education and Labor Committee.[7][8] This version was never meant to be passed, it was only there to serve as the base for the actual 'fix' bill.[6]

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[Care4all]

Since it's a tax, they only need 51 votes in the Senate to repeal it. Romney will sign it. He promised he would. If he does'nt, he wouldn't have a shot in hell of getting reelected and he knows it.

Repeal what? the whole Health Care Act or the Mandate penalty tax? the other taxes were already IN THE BILL and stated as taxes when the bill Passed with its 60 votes? the only thing that seems new, is that the mandate penalty is now called a penalty tax? so maybe that could be affected by reconciliation?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Contumacious's source was rewritten to comport with extremist nonsense.

The bill passed with 60 votes. Reconciliation was used on some of the budgetary items later.

Lying guys is not going to help only hurt your case.

 

[Care4all]

The ACA wasn't passed using reconciliation; .

HUH?

Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010

By the end of 2009, separate health care reform bills had been passed by both houses of Congress. The Senate bill, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, became the most viable avenue to reform following the death of Democratic Senator Ted Kennedy and his replacement by Republican Scott Brown. Lacking a filibuster-proof supermajority in the Senate, the Obama administration and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi began encouraging the House to pass an amended version of the Senate bill using the reconciliation process.[4]

Under the Fiscal Year 2010 budget resolution[5], the text submitted to the Budget Committee had to have been reported by October 15, 2009.[6] Therefore, the Democrats combined the text of America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 as reported out of the Ways and Means Committee, and as it was reported out of the Education and Labor Committee, and the text of the Student Aid and Fiscal Responsibility Act as reported out of the Education and Labor Committee.[7][8] This version was never meant to be passed, it was only there to serve as the base for the actual 'fix' bill.[6]

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that was the House, using the reconciliation process NOT the Senate according to the first paragraph in the article you pasted, and the R's are talking about being able to use it in the Senate.... not the House????

 

[Contumacious]

the only thing that seems new, is that the mandate penalty is now called a penalty tax? so maybe that could be affected by reconciliation?

No can do:

Reconciliation (United States Congress)

1) Reconciliation is a legislative process of the United States Senate intended to allow consideration of a budget bill with debate limited to twenty hours under Senate rules.[1] Reconciliation also exists in the United States House of Representatives, but because the House regularly passes rules that constrain debate and amendment, the process has had a less significant impact on that body.

2) The "Byrd Rule" (2 U.S.C. § 644,) Reconciliation generally involves legislation that changes the budget deficit (or conceivably, the surplus

So, back to federal court we must go to repeal the monstrosity !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Contumacious]

The ACA wasn't passed using reconciliation; .

HUH?

Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010

By the end of 2009, separate health care reform bills had been passed by both houses of Congress. The Senate bill, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, became the most viable avenue to reform following the death of Democratic Senator Ted Kennedy and his replacement by Republican Scott Brown. Lacking a filibuster-proof supermajority in the Senate, the Obama administration and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi began encouraging the House to pass an amended version of the Senate bill using the reconciliation process.[4]

Under the Fiscal Year 2010 budget resolution[5], the text submitted to the Budget Committee had to have been reported by October 15, 2009.[6] Therefore, the Democrats combined the text of America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 as reported out of the Ways and Means Committee, and as it was reported out of the Education and Labor Committee, and the text of the Student Aid and Fiscal Responsibility Act as reported out of the Education and Labor Committee.[7][8] This version was never meant to be passed, it was only there to serve as the base for the actual 'fix' bill.[6]

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that was the House, using the reconciliation process NOT the Senate according to the first paragraph in the article you pasted, and the R's are talking about being able to use it in the Senate.... not the House????

As stated ,

(a) the House never uses reconciliation , but assuming that such was the case then:

(b) A vote of 60 senators is required to overturn the ruling. That never happened. Had they attempted the Republicans were going to filibuster the fucking thing until the end of time;

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