Renewables: 50 Years of Broken Dreams

[starcraftzzz]

Job Losses From Obama Green Stimulus Foreseen in Spanish Study - Bloomberg
Like I always say............the two questions the left never care to answer is..........
1) At what cost?
2) As comapared to what?

Fortunately for the majority those questions are asked!!!!!!!
Solar is going into the shitter in Spain and Britain and the government s of both nations have said, "Fuck This!!!". Mega job losses and higer electric rates will do that!!!!
The Great British Solar Scam

Like I've told your dense ass 12 times clean energy is cheaper and more efficient and creates more jobs when you take into account the health and environmental benefits. So basically you're just a oil company tool whose ability to think rivals that of a 4 year old

 

[westwall]

Job Losses From Obama Green Stimulus Foreseen in Spanish Study - Bloomberg
Like I always say............the two questions the left never care to answer is..........
1) At what cost?
2) As comapared to what?

Fortunately for the majority those questions are asked!!!!!!!
Solar is going into the shitter in Spain and Britain and the government s of both nations have said, "Fuck This!!!". Mega job losses and higer electric rates will do that!!!!
The Great British Solar Scam

Like I've told your dense ass 12 times clean energy is cheaper and more efficient and creates more jobs when you take into account the health and environmental benefits. So basically you're just a oil company tool whose ability to think rivals that of a 4 year old

You mean the health and environmental benefits that are completely fictitious? Those benefits. They are so good they can't be quantified in any meaningful way? They just are.
WE say so, so they must exist.

No, if you can't point to anything tangible then you are merely pissing up a rope. And you guys are good at that.

 

[westwall]

People who think for a minute that solar is at all any kind of solution are unicorn enthusiasts.........

Word to Obama: Solar Still Sucks - John Ransom - Townhall Finance Conservative Columnists and Financial Commentary - Page 1

Just the Mojave Desert could supply enough solar power to power the whole untied states
Mojave Desert in Southwest Could Supply Solar Power to Entire United States - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com

So bascilly you're a clueless dumbass

Yes, a nice "rah rah" story, with absolutely nothing to support it. Really? Is that the limit of your intellectual capacity.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Yea, it only works in other countries. Not this one. Republicans want us to fail so they can say, "See, you failed". Then what? Oops, they haven't thought that far ahead.

Please let us know which countries they work in. I am sure those countries will be surprised to learn that too! It has failed in Spain, England, and France. So I am curious as to which countries you are referring

What really sets the solar power station apart from other stations is its’ incredible storage capacity which allows it to produce 60% more energy that a typical station lacking storage capacity. This ultimately allows for the Gemasolar to work 300% more than your average solar power station as it can be utilized for 6,400 hours a year as opposed to 1,200 to 2,000 hours a year which typical solar power stations are capable of.
Read more at Spanish Solar Power Station Works Even At Night

Spanish Solar Power Station Works Even At Night

Top 5 nations that use renewable energy - Brazil, 5 percent of world total - CSMonitor.com

Republicans don't want to develop anything. They don't want education. They want us dependent on foreign oil. They love war. I just don't understand what kind of Americans these people are. Seriously.

I want to develop such, but only if it doesn't hurt people. This goes against Obama's idea's of raising energy prices through the roof! On the other hand the reality is that only whites, asians and some arabs are intelligence enough to do so...Turning the world into africa isn't going to do it. Think about that for a second. You need civilization to advance idea's.

 

[bripat9643]

Yea, it only works in other countries. Not this one. Republicans want us to fail so they can say, "See, you failed". Then what? Oops, they haven't thought that far ahead.

All over Europe "green energy" is out of favor as voters start to understand the costs.

 

[bripat9643]

Yep, solar is such a failure that the capacity here in the US is nearly doubling yearly.

Marc to Market: Great Graphic: US Solar Capacity Installed in 2011

How much of that added capacity isn't recieving government subsidies?

. . . . . . .

. . . wait for it . . . . .

. . . . . .

NONE!

 

[starcraftzzz]

Job Losses From Obama Green Stimulus Foreseen in Spanish Study - Bloomberg
Like I always say............the two questions the left never care to answer is..........
1) At what cost?
2) As comapared to what?

Fortunately for the majority those questions are asked!!!!!!!
Solar is going into the shitter in Spain and Britain and the government s of both nations have said, "Fuck This!!!". Mega job losses and higer electric rates will do that!!!!
The Great British Solar Scam

Like I've told your dense ass 12 times clean energy is cheaper and more efficient and creates more jobs when you take into account the health and environmental benefits. So basically you're just a oil company tool whose ability to think rivals that of a 4 year old

You mean the health and environmental benefits that are completely fictitious? Those benefits. They are so good they can't be quantified in any meaningful way? They just are.
WE say so, so they must exist.

No, if you can't point to anything tangible then you are merely pissing up a rope. And you guys are good at that.

Why is it that conservatives always find reality to be fictitious?
List of oil spills - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Meaning On average oil spills very conservatively will cost the world economy at least 250 billion every 10 years.

Tropical storms have increased by 100% because of global warming
^Tropical storms stepping up with climate change - environment - 30 July 2007 - New Scientist

Droughts. Droughts have increased by 300% since 1970 because of global warming.
Global Warming Linked to Increasing Drought

Floods have increased by 500%
^Number of Disasters per Year | UNEP/GRID-Arendal - Maps & Graphics library

Corn & Soybean Meal Weekly Prices - 30th April
Facts About Corn
Warming Dents Corn And Wheat Yields - Science News
Environmental changes to blame for drop in yield of 'miracle rice'
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNEFleKAglPMoWU4QED93hUFJXhXQQ&cad=rja
^Hotter nights/Global warming, and air pollution are linked to a 15% decline in rice yields.
^Farms produced 3.8% less corn, and 5.5% less wheat then they could of during 1980-2008 due to slightly higher temperatures. This increased corn prices by 6.4% and wheat by 18.9%.
^Global warming cost 21 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased corn yields.
^Global warming cost 40 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased wheat yields.
^Global warming cost 20 billion in the year 2009 due to decreased rice yields

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications/mccarthy/tor30yrs.pdf
^Number of tornadoes has increased by 30% due to global warming.

Global Warming Likely Causing More Heat Waves, Scientists Say
^Global Warming has increased the odds of heat waves by 6 times.

Environmental costs of Fossil fuels are 2trillion dollars a year of which 220,00 people die each year due to environmental factors caused by fossil fuels

Lets look at the health effects of fossil fuels
Study: zero emission vehicles could save $142 billion in health care costs
About Transportation & Climate Change: Transportation’s Role in Climate Change: Overview - DOT Transportation and Climate Change Clearinghouse
CO2 Emissions statistics - Countries compared - NationMaster
^Greenhouse gas emissions cause damage to lungs costing billions in health care costs.
Total greenhouse gas emissions cost America 150 billion dollars each year, and kill 2,400 Americans a year.
Total greenhouse gas emissions cost the world 600 billion each year, and kill around 10,000 people each year. (This only include lung disease)
| ScienceBlog.com
^Air pollution from cars, and factories linked to learning/memory problems and depression.

BBC News - Carbon emissions linked to Europe's hay fever rise
^Rising CO2 levels responsible for increase in hay fever.

Increases lung disease/COPD, from Carbon and other pollutants.
Traffic-related pollution near schools linked to development of asthma in pupils, study suggests
Air pollution alters immune function, worsens asthma symptoms, study finds

Air pollution linked to hospitalizations for pneumonia in seniors
^Fine particle matter, nitrogen dioxide, sulfar dioxide linked to pneumonia

Air Pollution May Increase Risk Of Appendicitis
^Nitrous oxide and other air pollutants connected to appendicitis

Air Pollution Appears To Foster Diabetes - Science News
Dirty air triggers more heart attacks than cocaine | Reuters
^Air pollution such as exhaust from cars and coal plants increases diabetes. Mice that inhaled real world concentration were more likely to have cardiovascular disease and have diabetes symptoms.
^
Polluted air increases obesity risk in young animals
^Fine-particle pollution, or soot in the air increases obesity. Exposure to fine-particle air pollution early in life increases obesity rates even if you eat a normal healthy diet. Fine-particle air pollution also increases the chance of having unhealthy blood sugar levels. It does this by increasing inflammation of cells, which when inflammation occurs in fat cells in makes them retain more fat.
****air pollution (soot/fine-particle) increases obesity and diabetes

Researchers Show How Air Pollution Can Cause Heart Disease
Higher blood pressure found in people living in urban areas
^Air pollution such as soot and smoke from power plants and automobiles can cause cardiovascular disease. Air pollutants such as soot and smoke below standards set by the EPA causes arteries to be 50% more blocked by plaque. Exposure to the air pollution also increased bad cholesterol levels, and blood pressure.
*****Air pollution (soot/smoke from cars/power plants) increases cardiovascular disease by 50%

Air pollution linked to breast cancer, study suggests
^Air pollution such as the pollution from cars, including greenhouse gasses increases the chance of NO2 having breast cancer. Women living in the most air polluted areas are twice as likely to develop breast cancer then women living in the least polluted areas.
Pollutants include NO2.
****Air pollution (greenhouse gasses car exhaust) increases risk of breast cancer by 200%

| ScienceBlog.com
Children's cognitive ability can be affected by mother's exposure to urban air pollutants
Lower IQ In Children Linked To Pre-Birth Air Pollution Exposure, Study
^--Children exposed to above median levels of hydrocarbons (pollutants that are released into the air by the burning of fossil fuels) had lower IQ'es of 4.5 points.
****Children exposed to air pollution (hydrocarbons/fossil fuels) had a lower IQ, of 4.5 points.

Air pollution boosts autism risk by 50 percent in newborns
^Living near a freeway is associated with an increased risk of having children with autism.
Children born from mothers living near freeways are twice as likely to have an autism disorder.
Also exposure to mercury and other pollutants increase the risk of autism by 50%

Methane causes heart and respiratory diseases
Global health benefits of mitigating ozone pollution with methane emission controls
Princeton University - Study: Methane emission controls can save thousands of lives

Vehicle pollution significantly damages the brain, mouse study suggests
^Mice exposed to vehicle pollution suffer brain damage.

April 6 News: Climate Change Boosting Waterborne Illnesses In Inuit Communities, Say Researchers | ThinkProgress
^Global warming responsible for increase in Inuit diseases due to melting ice

 

[Oddball]

A complete list of things caused by global warming

 

[freedombecki]

A complete list of things caused by global warming

Yes, and the bottom line summary figure really got my attention from your detailed links page:

"and all on 0.006 deg C per year!"

​

Thanks for shedding light on the green myth.

 

[westwall]

Like I've told your dense ass 12 times clean energy is cheaper and more efficient and creates more jobs when you take into account the health and environmental benefits. So basically you're just a oil company tool whose ability to think rivals that of a 4 year old

You mean the health and environmental benefits that are completely fictitious? Those benefits. They are so good they can't be quantified in any meaningful way? They just are.
WE say so, so they must exist.

No, if you can't point to anything tangible then you are merely pissing up a rope. And you guys are good at that.

Why is it that conservatives always find reality to be fictitious?
List of oil spills - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Meaning On average oil spills very conservatively will cost the world economy at least 250 billion every 10 years.

Tropical storms have increased by 100% because of global warming
^Tropical storms stepping up with climate change - environment - 30 July 2007 - New Scientist

Droughts. Droughts have increased by 300% since 1970 because of global warming.
Global Warming Linked to Increasing Drought

Floods have increased by 500%
^Number of Disasters per Year | UNEP/GRID-Arendal - Maps & Graphics library

Corn & Soybean Meal Weekly Prices - 30th April
Facts About Corn
Warming Dents Corn And Wheat Yields - Science News
Environmental changes to blame for drop in yield of 'miracle rice'
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNEFleKAglPMoWU4QED93hUFJXhXQQ&cad=rja
^Hotter nights/Global warming, and air pollution are linked to a 15% decline in rice yields.
^Farms produced 3.8% less corn, and 5.5% less wheat then they could of during 1980-2008 due to slightly higher temperatures. This increased corn prices by 6.4% and wheat by 18.9%.
^Global warming cost 21 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased corn yields.
^Global warming cost 40 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased wheat yields.
^Global warming cost 20 billion in the year 2009 due to decreased rice yields

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications/mccarthy/tor30yrs.pdf
^Number of tornadoes has increased by 30% due to global warming.

Global Warming Likely Causing More Heat Waves, Scientists Say
^Global Warming has increased the odds of heat waves by 6 times.

Environmental costs of Fossil fuels are 2trillion dollars a year of which 220,00 people die each year due to environmental factors caused by fossil fuels

Lets look at the health effects of fossil fuels
Study: zero emission vehicles could save $142 billion in health care costs
About Transportation & Climate Change: Transportation’s Role in Climate Change: Overview - DOT Transportation and Climate Change Clearinghouse
CO2 Emissions statistics - Countries compared - NationMaster
^Greenhouse gas emissions cause damage to lungs costing billions in health care costs.
Total greenhouse gas emissions cost America 150 billion dollars each year, and kill 2,400 Americans a year.
Total greenhouse gas emissions cost the world 600 billion each year, and kill around 10,000 people each year. (This only include lung disease)
| ScienceBlog.com
^Air pollution from cars, and factories linked to learning/memory problems and depression.

BBC News - Carbon emissions linked to Europe's hay fever rise
^Rising CO2 levels responsible for increase in hay fever.

Increases lung disease/COPD, from Carbon and other pollutants.
Traffic-related pollution near schools linked to development of asthma in pupils, study suggests
Air pollution alters immune function, worsens asthma symptoms, study finds

Air pollution linked to hospitalizations for pneumonia in seniors
^Fine particle matter, nitrogen dioxide, sulfar dioxide linked to pneumonia

Air Pollution May Increase Risk Of Appendicitis
^Nitrous oxide and other air pollutants connected to appendicitis

Air Pollution Appears To Foster Diabetes - Science News
Dirty air triggers more heart attacks than cocaine | Reuters
^Air pollution such as exhaust from cars and coal plants increases diabetes. Mice that inhaled real world concentration were more likely to have cardiovascular disease and have diabetes symptoms.
^
Polluted air increases obesity risk in young animals
^Fine-particle pollution, or soot in the air increases obesity. Exposure to fine-particle air pollution early in life increases obesity rates even if you eat a normal healthy diet. Fine-particle air pollution also increases the chance of having unhealthy blood sugar levels. It does this by increasing inflammation of cells, which when inflammation occurs in fat cells in makes them retain more fat.
****air pollution (soot/fine-particle) increases obesity and diabetes

Researchers Show How Air Pollution Can Cause Heart Disease
Higher blood pressure found in people living in urban areas
^Air pollution such as soot and smoke from power plants and automobiles can cause cardiovascular disease. Air pollutants such as soot and smoke below standards set by the EPA causes arteries to be 50% more blocked by plaque. Exposure to the air pollution also increased bad cholesterol levels, and blood pressure.
*****Air pollution (soot/smoke from cars/power plants) increases cardiovascular disease by 50%

Air pollution linked to breast cancer, study suggests
^Air pollution such as the pollution from cars, including greenhouse gasses increases the chance of NO2 having breast cancer. Women living in the most air polluted areas are twice as likely to develop breast cancer then women living in the least polluted areas.
Pollutants include NO2.
****Air pollution (greenhouse gasses car exhaust) increases risk of breast cancer by 200%

| ScienceBlog.com
Children's cognitive ability can be affected by mother's exposure to urban air pollutants
Lower IQ In Children Linked To Pre-Birth Air Pollution Exposure, Study
^--Children exposed to above median levels of hydrocarbons (pollutants that are released into the air by the burning of fossil fuels) had lower IQ'es of 4.5 points.
****Children exposed to air pollution (hydrocarbons/fossil fuels) had a lower IQ, of 4.5 points.

Air pollution boosts autism risk by 50 percent in newborns
^Living near a freeway is associated with an increased risk of having children with autism.
Children born from mothers living near freeways are twice as likely to have an autism disorder.
Also exposure to mercury and other pollutants increase the risk of autism by 50%

Methane causes heart and respiratory diseases
Global health benefits of mitigating ozone pollution with methane emission controls
Princeton University - Study: Methane emission controls can save thousands of lives

Vehicle pollution significantly damages the brain, mouse study suggests
^Mice exposed to vehicle pollution suffer brain damage.

April 6 News: Climate Change Boosting Waterborne Illnesses In Inuit Communities, Say Researchers | ThinkProgress
^Global warming responsible for increase in Inuit diseases due to melting ice

ANYTHING that makes a claim based on climate change is full of horsecrap. The global temp today is the same it was in the year 1900. NOTHING weather realted can be attributed to "globalwarmingclimatechangeglobalclimatedisruption" no matter how many times you change the name.

 

[skookerasbil]

Like I've told your dense ass 12 times clean energy is cheaper and more efficient and creates more jobs when you take into account the health and environmental benefits. So basically you're just a oil company tool whose ability to think rivals that of a 4 year old

You mean the health and environmental benefits that are completely fictitious? Those benefits. They are so good they can't be quantified in any meaningful way? They just are.
WE say so, so they must exist.

No, if you can't point to anything tangible then you are merely pissing up a rope. And you guys are good at that.

Why is it that conservatives always find reality to be fictitious?
List of oil spills - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Meaning On average oil spills very conservatively will cost the world economy at least 250 billion every 10 years.

Tropical storms have increased by 100% because of global warming
^Tropical storms stepping up with climate change - environment - 30 July 2007 - New Scientist

Droughts. Droughts have increased by 300% since 1970 because of global warming.
Global Warming Linked to Increasing Drought

Floods have increased by 500%
^Number of Disasters per Year | UNEP/GRID-Arendal - Maps & Graphics library

Corn & Soybean Meal Weekly Prices - 30th April
Facts About Corn
Warming Dents Corn And Wheat Yields - Science News
Environmental changes to blame for drop in yield of 'miracle rice'
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNEFleKAglPMoWU4QED93hUFJXhXQQ&cad=rja
^Hotter nights/Global warming, and air pollution are linked to a 15% decline in rice yields.
^Farms produced 3.8% less corn, and 5.5% less wheat then they could of during 1980-2008 due to slightly higher temperatures. This increased corn prices by 6.4% and wheat by 18.9%.
^Global warming cost 21 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased corn yields.
^Global warming cost 40 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased wheat yields.
^Global warming cost 20 billion in the year 2009 due to decreased rice yields

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications/mccarthy/tor30yrs.pdf
^Number of tornadoes has increased by 30% due to global warming.

Global Warming Likely Causing More Heat Waves, Scientists Say
^Global Warming has increased the odds of heat waves by 6 times.

Environmental costs of Fossil fuels are 2trillion dollars a year of which 220,00 people die each year due to environmental factors caused by fossil fuels

Lets look at the health effects of fossil fuels
Study: zero emission vehicles could save $142 billion in health care costs
About Transportation & Climate Change: Transportation’s Role in Climate Change: Overview - DOT Transportation and Climate Change Clearinghouse
CO2 Emissions statistics - Countries compared - NationMaster
^Greenhouse gas emissions cause damage to lungs costing billions in health care costs.
Total greenhouse gas emissions cost America 150 billion dollars each year, and kill 2,400 Americans a year.
Total greenhouse gas emissions cost the world 600 billion each year, and kill around 10,000 people each year. (This only include lung disease)
| ScienceBlog.com
^Air pollution from cars, and factories linked to learning/memory problems and depression.

BBC News - Carbon emissions linked to Europe's hay fever rise
^Rising CO2 levels responsible for increase in hay fever.

Increases lung disease/COPD, from Carbon and other pollutants.
Traffic-related pollution near schools linked to development of asthma in pupils, study suggests
Air pollution alters immune function, worsens asthma symptoms, study finds

Air pollution linked to hospitalizations for pneumonia in seniors
^Fine particle matter, nitrogen dioxide, sulfar dioxide linked to pneumonia

Air Pollution May Increase Risk Of Appendicitis
^Nitrous oxide and other air pollutants connected to appendicitis

Air Pollution Appears To Foster Diabetes - Science News
Dirty air triggers more heart attacks than cocaine | Reuters
^Air pollution such as exhaust from cars and coal plants increases diabetes. Mice that inhaled real world concentration were more likely to have cardiovascular disease and have diabetes symptoms.
^
Polluted air increases obesity risk in young animals
^Fine-particle pollution, or soot in the air increases obesity. Exposure to fine-particle air pollution early in life increases obesity rates even if you eat a normal healthy diet. Fine-particle air pollution also increases the chance of having unhealthy blood sugar levels. It does this by increasing inflammation of cells, which when inflammation occurs in fat cells in makes them retain more fat.
****air pollution (soot/fine-particle) increases obesity and diabetes

Researchers Show How Air Pollution Can Cause Heart Disease
Higher blood pressure found in people living in urban areas
^Air pollution such as soot and smoke from power plants and automobiles can cause cardiovascular disease. Air pollutants such as soot and smoke below standards set by the EPA causes arteries to be 50% more blocked by plaque. Exposure to the air pollution also increased bad cholesterol levels, and blood pressure.
*****Air pollution (soot/smoke from cars/power plants) increases cardiovascular disease by 50%

Air pollution linked to breast cancer, study suggests
^Air pollution such as the pollution from cars, including greenhouse gasses increases the chance of NO2 having breast cancer. Women living in the most air polluted areas are twice as likely to develop breast cancer then women living in the least polluted areas.
Pollutants include NO2.
****Air pollution (greenhouse gasses car exhaust) increases risk of breast cancer by 200%

| ScienceBlog.com
Children's cognitive ability can be affected by mother's exposure to urban air pollutants
Lower IQ In Children Linked To Pre-Birth Air Pollution Exposure, Study
^--Children exposed to above median levels of hydrocarbons (pollutants that are released into the air by the burning of fossil fuels) had lower IQ'es of 4.5 points.
****Children exposed to air pollution (hydrocarbons/fossil fuels) had a lower IQ, of 4.5 points.

Air pollution boosts autism risk by 50 percent in newborns
^Living near a freeway is associated with an increased risk of having children with autism.
Children born from mothers living near freeways are twice as likely to have an autism disorder.
Also exposure to mercury and other pollutants increase the risk of autism by 50%

Methane causes heart and respiratory diseases
Global health benefits of mitigating ozone pollution with methane emission controls
Princeton University - Study: Methane emission controls can save thousands of lives

Vehicle pollution significantly damages the brain, mouse study suggests
^Mice exposed to vehicle pollution suffer brain damage.

April 6 News: Climate Change Boosting Waterborne Illnesses In Inuit Communities, Say Researchers | ThinkProgress
^Global warming responsible for increase in Inuit diseases due to melting ice

What can I say s0n? You're a hostage to your style of thinking, a way quite typical for those on the far left. It has nothing to do with intelligence. Its a brain fuck up essentially..........what psychiatrists refer to as thought process disorder.

Indeed..........some people simply have the inability to accept necessary tradeoffs in life and it is due to their thinking and quite out of thier control. Psychiatrists refer to it as the ability ( or in this case inability) to be able to think on the margin. And note the references above.........mostly far left k00k cits like "THINK PROGRESS" that puts out what we call "selective research studies", like the autism link. I work in the field of autism for 26 years.........nobody knows shit about what causes it. But this goofball Starcraft is an expert!!!

Those who have the abilty to think on the margin recognize all the shit on this guys list, but also recognize that there are necessary tradeoffs to living in an industrialized, modern society. To blow it up and change course would cost 76 trillion dollars and a committment by the American people to accept a return to society being much like it was in the mid-1800's. Only the AGW k00ks like Starcraft think that is doable, which is why the hyper-angst green bomb throwers are seen in 2012 as a group of fringe nutty-asses.

Imagine tomorrow telling the public, "Gotta throw out your iPhone s0ns!!! No more plastics because we gotta 86 oil!!!". Yup........folks would be real thrilled with that!!!


The k00ks will keep going citing the hyper-hysterical crap as if it is going to change the dynamic. Wont happen though. Its about as likely to happen as Obama resigning his office tomorrow!!!

But I will admit..........dont know what I'd do for entertainment without these fruiltloops posting this shit up. Id be fucking lost for laughs, truth be told.

 

[IanC]

skooks- they want to kill a few billion off by starving them of energy so that a few million wont be killed by supposedly predictable climate change. kinda like those guys looking to hitch hike on the Hale-Bopp comet by drinking the koolaid

 

[Old Rocks]

You mean the health and environmental benefits that are completely fictitious? Those benefits. They are so good they can't be quantified in any meaningful way? They just are.
WE say so, so they must exist.

No, if you can't point to anything tangible then you are merely pissing up a rope. And you guys are good at that.

Why is it that conservatives always find reality to be fictitious?
List of oil spills - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Meaning On average oil spills very conservatively will cost the world economy at least 250 billion every 10 years.

Tropical storms have increased by 100% because of global warming
^Tropical storms stepping up with climate change - environment - 30 July 2007 - New Scientist

Droughts. Droughts have increased by 300% since 1970 because of global warming.
Global Warming Linked to Increasing Drought

Floods have increased by 500%
^Number of Disasters per Year | UNEP/GRID-Arendal - Maps & Graphics library

Corn & Soybean Meal Weekly Prices - 30th April
Facts About Corn
Warming Dents Corn And Wheat Yields - Science News
Environmental changes to blame for drop in yield of 'miracle rice'
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNEFleKAglPMoWU4QED93hUFJXhXQQ&cad=rja
^Hotter nights/Global warming, and air pollution are linked to a 15% decline in rice yields.
^Farms produced 3.8% less corn, and 5.5% less wheat then they could of during 1980-2008 due to slightly higher temperatures. This increased corn prices by 6.4% and wheat by 18.9%.
^Global warming cost 21 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased corn yields.
^Global warming cost 40 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased wheat yields.
^Global warming cost 20 billion in the year 2009 due to decreased rice yields

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications/mccarthy/tor30yrs.pdf
^Number of tornadoes has increased by 30% due to global warming.

Global Warming Likely Causing More Heat Waves, Scientists Say
^Global Warming has increased the odds of heat waves by 6 times.

Environmental costs of Fossil fuels are 2trillion dollars a year of which 220,00 people die each year due to environmental factors caused by fossil fuels

Lets look at the health effects of fossil fuels
Study: zero emission vehicles could save $142 billion in health care costs
About Transportation & Climate Change: Transportation’s Role in Climate Change: Overview - DOT Transportation and Climate Change Clearinghouse
CO2 Emissions statistics - Countries compared - NationMaster
^Greenhouse gas emissions cause damage to lungs costing billions in health care costs.
Total greenhouse gas emissions cost America 150 billion dollars each year, and kill 2,400 Americans a year.
Total greenhouse gas emissions cost the world 600 billion each year, and kill around 10,000 people each year. (This only include lung disease)
| ScienceBlog.com
^Air pollution from cars, and factories linked to learning/memory problems and depression.

BBC News - Carbon emissions linked to Europe's hay fever rise
^Rising CO2 levels responsible for increase in hay fever.

Increases lung disease/COPD, from Carbon and other pollutants.
Traffic-related pollution near schools linked to development of asthma in pupils, study suggests
Air pollution alters immune function, worsens asthma symptoms, study finds

Air pollution linked to hospitalizations for pneumonia in seniors
^Fine particle matter, nitrogen dioxide, sulfar dioxide linked to pneumonia

Air Pollution May Increase Risk Of Appendicitis
^Nitrous oxide and other air pollutants connected to appendicitis

Air Pollution Appears To Foster Diabetes - Science News
Dirty air triggers more heart attacks than cocaine | Reuters
^Air pollution such as exhaust from cars and coal plants increases diabetes. Mice that inhaled real world concentration were more likely to have cardiovascular disease and have diabetes symptoms.
^
Polluted air increases obesity risk in young animals
^Fine-particle pollution, or soot in the air increases obesity. Exposure to fine-particle air pollution early in life increases obesity rates even if you eat a normal healthy diet. Fine-particle air pollution also increases the chance of having unhealthy blood sugar levels. It does this by increasing inflammation of cells, which when inflammation occurs in fat cells in makes them retain more fat.
****air pollution (soot/fine-particle) increases obesity and diabetes

Researchers Show How Air Pollution Can Cause Heart Disease
Higher blood pressure found in people living in urban areas
^Air pollution such as soot and smoke from power plants and automobiles can cause cardiovascular disease. Air pollutants such as soot and smoke below standards set by the EPA causes arteries to be 50% more blocked by plaque. Exposure to the air pollution also increased bad cholesterol levels, and blood pressure.
*****Air pollution (soot/smoke from cars/power plants) increases cardiovascular disease by 50%

Air pollution linked to breast cancer, study suggests
^Air pollution such as the pollution from cars, including greenhouse gasses increases the chance of NO2 having breast cancer. Women living in the most air polluted areas are twice as likely to develop breast cancer then women living in the least polluted areas.
Pollutants include NO2.
****Air pollution (greenhouse gasses car exhaust) increases risk of breast cancer by 200%

| ScienceBlog.com
Children's cognitive ability can be affected by mother's exposure to urban air pollutants
Lower IQ In Children Linked To Pre-Birth Air Pollution Exposure, Study
^--Children exposed to above median levels of hydrocarbons (pollutants that are released into the air by the burning of fossil fuels) had lower IQ'es of 4.5 points.
****Children exposed to air pollution (hydrocarbons/fossil fuels) had a lower IQ, of 4.5 points.

Air pollution boosts autism risk by 50 percent in newborns
^Living near a freeway is associated with an increased risk of having children with autism.
Children born from mothers living near freeways are twice as likely to have an autism disorder.
Also exposure to mercury and other pollutants increase the risk of autism by 50%

Methane causes heart and respiratory diseases
Global health benefits of mitigating ozone pollution with methane emission controls
Princeton University - Study: Methane emission controls can save thousands of lives

Vehicle pollution significantly damages the brain, mouse study suggests
^Mice exposed to vehicle pollution suffer brain damage.

April 6 News: Climate Change Boosting Waterborne Illnesses In Inuit Communities, Say Researchers | ThinkProgress
^Global warming responsible for increase in Inuit diseases due to melting ice

ANYTHING that makes a claim based on climate change is full of horsecrap. The global temp today is the same it was in the year 1900. NOTHING weather realted can be attributed to "globalwarmingclimatechangeglobalclimatedisruption" no matter how many times you change the name.

Yap, yap, yap. No evidence, no logic, no links. Real fucking scientific approach.

 

[westwall]

Why is it that conservatives always find reality to be fictitious?
List of oil spills - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Meaning On average oil spills very conservatively will cost the world economy at least 250 billion every 10 years.

Tropical storms have increased by 100% because of global warming
^Tropical storms stepping up with climate change - environment - 30 July 2007 - New Scientist

Droughts. Droughts have increased by 300% since 1970 because of global warming.
Global Warming Linked to Increasing Drought

Floods have increased by 500%
^Number of Disasters per Year | UNEP/GRID-Arendal - Maps & Graphics library

Corn & Soybean Meal Weekly Prices - 30th April
Facts About Corn
Warming Dents Corn And Wheat Yields - Science News
Environmental changes to blame for drop in yield of 'miracle rice'
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNEFleKAglPMoWU4QED93hUFJXhXQQ&cad=rja
^Hotter nights/Global warming, and air pollution are linked to a 15% decline in rice yields.
^Farms produced 3.8% less corn, and 5.5% less wheat then they could of during 1980-2008 due to slightly higher temperatures. This increased corn prices by 6.4% and wheat by 18.9%.
^Global warming cost 21 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased corn yields.
^Global warming cost 40 billion a year in 2009 due to decreased wheat yields.
^Global warming cost 20 billion in the year 2009 due to decreased rice yields

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/publications/mccarthy/tor30yrs.pdf
^Number of tornadoes has increased by 30% due to global warming.

Global Warming Likely Causing More Heat Waves, Scientists Say
^Global Warming has increased the odds of heat waves by 6 times.

Environmental costs of Fossil fuels are 2trillion dollars a year of which 220,00 people die each year due to environmental factors caused by fossil fuels

Lets look at the health effects of fossil fuels
Study: zero emission vehicles could save $142 billion in health care costs
About Transportation & Climate Change: Transportation’s Role in Climate Change: Overview - DOT Transportation and Climate Change Clearinghouse
CO2 Emissions statistics - Countries compared - NationMaster
^Greenhouse gas emissions cause damage to lungs costing billions in health care costs.
Total greenhouse gas emissions cost America 150 billion dollars each year, and kill 2,400 Americans a year.
Total greenhouse gas emissions cost the world 600 billion each year, and kill around 10,000 people each year. (This only include lung disease)
| ScienceBlog.com
^Air pollution from cars, and factories linked to learning/memory problems and depression.

BBC News - Carbon emissions linked to Europe's hay fever rise
^Rising CO2 levels responsible for increase in hay fever.

Increases lung disease/COPD, from Carbon and other pollutants.
Traffic-related pollution near schools linked to development of asthma in pupils, study suggests
Air pollution alters immune function, worsens asthma symptoms, study finds

Air pollution linked to hospitalizations for pneumonia in seniors
^Fine particle matter, nitrogen dioxide, sulfar dioxide linked to pneumonia

Air Pollution May Increase Risk Of Appendicitis
^Nitrous oxide and other air pollutants connected to appendicitis

Air Pollution Appears To Foster Diabetes - Science News
Dirty air triggers more heart attacks than cocaine | Reuters
^Air pollution such as exhaust from cars and coal plants increases diabetes. Mice that inhaled real world concentration were more likely to have cardiovascular disease and have diabetes symptoms.
^
Polluted air increases obesity risk in young animals
^Fine-particle pollution, or soot in the air increases obesity. Exposure to fine-particle air pollution early in life increases obesity rates even if you eat a normal healthy diet. Fine-particle air pollution also increases the chance of having unhealthy blood sugar levels. It does this by increasing inflammation of cells, which when inflammation occurs in fat cells in makes them retain more fat.
****air pollution (soot/fine-particle) increases obesity and diabetes

Researchers Show How Air Pollution Can Cause Heart Disease
Higher blood pressure found in people living in urban areas
^Air pollution such as soot and smoke from power plants and automobiles can cause cardiovascular disease. Air pollutants such as soot and smoke below standards set by the EPA causes arteries to be 50% more blocked by plaque. Exposure to the air pollution also increased bad cholesterol levels, and blood pressure.
*****Air pollution (soot/smoke from cars/power plants) increases cardiovascular disease by 50%

Air pollution linked to breast cancer, study suggests
^Air pollution such as the pollution from cars, including greenhouse gasses increases the chance of NO2 having breast cancer. Women living in the most air polluted areas are twice as likely to develop breast cancer then women living in the least polluted areas.
Pollutants include NO2.
****Air pollution (greenhouse gasses car exhaust) increases risk of breast cancer by 200%

| ScienceBlog.com
Children's cognitive ability can be affected by mother's exposure to urban air pollutants
Lower IQ In Children Linked To Pre-Birth Air Pollution Exposure, Study
^--Children exposed to above median levels of hydrocarbons (pollutants that are released into the air by the burning of fossil fuels) had lower IQ'es of 4.5 points.
****Children exposed to air pollution (hydrocarbons/fossil fuels) had a lower IQ, of 4.5 points.

Air pollution boosts autism risk by 50 percent in newborns
^Living near a freeway is associated with an increased risk of having children with autism.
Children born from mothers living near freeways are twice as likely to have an autism disorder.
Also exposure to mercury and other pollutants increase the risk of autism by 50%

Methane causes heart and respiratory diseases
Global health benefits of mitigating ozone pollution with methane emission controls
Princeton University - Study: Methane emission controls can save thousands of lives

Vehicle pollution significantly damages the brain, mouse study suggests
^Mice exposed to vehicle pollution suffer brain damage.

April 6 News: Climate Change Boosting Waterborne Illnesses In Inuit Communities, Say Researchers | ThinkProgress
^Global warming responsible for increase in Inuit diseases due to melting ice

ANYTHING that makes a claim based on climate change is full of horsecrap. The global temp today is the same it was in the year 1900. NOTHING weather realted can be attributed to "globalwarmingclimatechangeglobalclimatedisruption" no matter how many times you change the name.

Yap, yap, yap. No evidence, no logic, no links. Real fucking scientific approach.

You are correct about the yap yap yapping that you folks present. No evidence at all. other than useless computer models. No links except to crap that has allready been proven false and no real empirical data to support your pathetic fear mongering.

Good job!

 

[IanC]

you guys must be getting under OldRocks' skin because it has set him off into a neg repping frenzy

 

[skookerasbil]

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You cant separate the science from economic/political realities. Not on this planet at least.

In 2012, the world just does not have the technology to do green energy cheaply. Perhaps in 30 or 40 years ( if the government gets the fuck out of the way and lets the market be innovative ). Until then, green energy will continue to have a little niche in the energy market. So really..........when it comes down to it.........the science debate is moot. Its totally moot. Now..........maybe like in The Twilight Zone, those tall bald headed guys come down to earth and give us some resources we can use for all this climate stuff. But thats like unicorn stuff, right??!!!! In 2012, make no mistake.........green energy is the fantasy of some that have highly creative minds, but the feets aint on the ground.

 

[westwall]

you guys must be getting under OldRocks' skin because it has set him off into a neg repping frenzy

Yes, the impotent flailing of a sniveling child.