remington 700...misfires??

[strollingbones]

my point is simply....there is some truth to this matter...and who the hell makes a weapon that the safety must be disengaged to unload the rife?

i think the dod continues to buy them and use them with modification cause they are a solid rifle. no one is advocating removing the 700 but simply thinking that the modification needed to make them safe should be done at the factory...and i think if its proven remington willingly and knowingly continued to manufactor with this defect then yes they must face the consequences of their actions.

 

[Mini 14]

I'll be happy to send them mine. The last time it was fired, the trigger was not pulled, and it hasn't been fired since. I am looking into replacing the trigger group to see if that would solve the problem, but have not done so yet. There is no question this one fired as the safety was disengaged, with my finger outside the trigger guard, and there is no question that as it is, I have absolutely no confidence in it, will not sell it, will never fire it again, and keep the bolt in a separate safe from the receiver.

That said, I own 2 other 700s that I have never had an issue with, and are among my most reliable hunting rifles. But this is the newest of the bunch, and likely the last "modern" Remington I will ever purchase.

 

[Ringel05]

Was it new when you purchased it?

I've been doing some more research on this and am finding many conflicting stories to include a good analysis of the MSNBC story. It appears MSNBC did the usual "hatchet job" reporting that most every media outlet does when trying to sell a story for ratings or other motives. What other sources suspect and in some incidents have proven is in most cases the trigger group has been improperly modified by the armorer or by the individual owner and/or simply the age and amount of use the rifle experienced, i.e. wear and tear.

 

[strollingbones]

it is a question that needs to be answered ...simple as that....

i dont know a whole lot about guns....never claim to be an expert....but i do know that the guns i have.....the safety works.....even the older than me guns....

 

[Ringel05]

it is a question that needs to be answered ...simple as that....

i dont know a whole lot about guns....never claim to be an expert....but i do know that the guns i have.....the safety works.....even the older than me guns....

Bones, I'm not defending Remington, I'm simply letting you know I've found conflicting info/evidence and what that info/evidence is.
Wear and tear was just one possibility and the most minor one. The military and police both modify these weapons to fit their needs and if someone screws up the modification..........
Same with a lot of "gun' enthusiasts, they like to "tinker" with the trigger groups for a variety of reasons, if the specs are really tight and the modification is done wrong, you will have issues.

 

[strollingbones]

o i understand your point ring....just still dont see this being all about wear and tear...it happens a lot...i realize this could be like the dog that bites the most is always a real popular dog....the remington is mainstay....but is it dangerous? of course all guns are dangerous to a point.

 

[strollingbones]

mini says his fired without trigger action....mini seems to know his guns and they are one of his businesses...

mike seem to be simply upset that anyone suggests anything is wrong with the 700

 

[CMike]

my point is simply....there is some truth to this matter...and who the hell makes a weapon that the safety must be disengaged to unload the rife?

i think the dod continues to buy them and use them with modification cause they are a solid rifle. no one is advocating removing the 700 but simply thinking that the modification needed to make them safe should be done at the factory...and i think if its proven remington willingly and knowingly continued to manufactor with this defect then yes they must face the consequences of their actions.

If they are modified that is what the problem probably is.

 

[CMike]

it is a question that needs to be answered ...simple as that....

i dont know a whole lot about guns....never claim to be an expert....but i do know that the guns i have.....the safety works.....even the older than me guns....

Bones, I'm not defending Remington, I'm simply letting you know I've found conflicting info/evidence and what that info/evidence is.
Wear and tear was just one possibility and the most minor one. The military and police both modify these weapons to fit their needs and if someone screws up the modification..........
Same with a lot of "gun' enthusiasts, they like to "tinker" with the trigger groups for a variety of reasons, if the specs are really tight and the modification is done wrong, you will have issues.

That could be the problem.

If it's tinkered with or modified that could cause the problem.

I think it's rather strange that with a well maintained non modified gun the accidental discharge hasn't been able to be replicated.

 

[Mini 14]

Was it new when you purchased it?

I've been doing some more research on this and am finding many conflicting stories to include a good analysis of the MSNBC story. It appears MSNBC did the usual "hatchet job" reporting that most every media outlet does when trying to sell a story for ratings or other motives. What other sources suspect and in some incidents have proven is in most cases the trigger group has been improperly modified by the armorer or by the individual owner and/or simply the age and amount of use the rifle experienced, i.e. wear and tear.

Yes, mine was brand new when I bought it, having passed from Remington, to the wholesaler, to me (I am an FFL). It had approximately 50 rounds through it at the time of the discharge, and had been cleaned meticulously after each outing. I had made no alterations to the firearm, other than mounting a scope and sling.

 

[52ndStreet]

interesting special on the remington 700 and the deaths by misfire.

a rifle you have to disengage the safety on to unload....

I saw the documentary on this Remington 700 rifle on msnbc. Very scary, and shocking.
To think that the company knew about the dangers of this Rilfe misfireing, and possibly causing deaths, well before mass production of the Rifle,and then proceeding to produce
the Rifle, and covering up the the desigh flaw, seems criminal, and satanic that a company
can do something like this , and get away with it. People have been killed, and maimed because of this willfull negligence. Capitalism at its worse. A situation were money and profits are valued more than human life.

You have got to see the msnbc documentary to see the people who were killed and maimed,
and the man that designed the Remington 700 rifle.To really feel the impact of this whole
situation with the Rifle and Remington.!

 

[KissMy]

I saw that CNBC Remington 700 special a month ago & have found it to be half bullshit. You can't believe anything you see on any NBC (Nothing But Communism) channel or production. If you watch closely you will notice that the lady who accidentally shot her son never utters a single word during the entire report. The paid witness tells a completely different story under oath.

Contrary to CNBCs report stating that in the 1970's Remington developed the Ten Commandments of Firearms Safety campaign instead of fixing the guns. SAAMI documents "Beginning in the 1920s, the “Ten Commandments of Gun Safety” paved the way for a broad-based safety campaign that today"

I have been at the reporting location of 3 TEA Party events broadcast by these lier's & they totally edited video, misrepresented & flat out lied about what actually took place. If you believe anything you see on TV you are an idiot.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ4-N7LI"]MSNBC Report of Angry White TEA Activist toting Guns.[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jwg-f3dqN4&feature=related"]Fox News Busting MSNBC[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7syx26QtQIM&NR=1"]ABC Report of the same White I mean Black TEA Activist toting Guns.[/ame]

NBC = Nothing But Communism
MSNBC = Marxist Socialist Network Broadcasting Communism
CNBC = Communist National Broadcasting Company

 

[CMike]

Was it new when you purchased it?

I've been doing some more research on this and am finding many conflicting stories to include a good analysis of the MSNBC story. It appears MSNBC did the usual "hatchet job" reporting that most every media outlet does when trying to sell a story for ratings or other motives. What other sources suspect and in some incidents have proven is in most cases the trigger group has been improperly modified by the armorer or by the individual owner and/or simply the age and amount of use the rifle experienced, i.e. wear and tear.

Yes, mine was brand new when I bought it, having passed from Remington, to the wholesaler, to me (I am an FFL). It had approximately 50 rounds through it at the time of the discharge, and had been cleaned meticulously after each outing. I had made no alterations to the firearm, other than mounting a scope and sling.

Did you call Remington? Perhaps send it in?

 

[jimbetty123]

he Remington 700 is a line of bolt-action centerfire hunting rifles that is manufactured by Remington Arms, along with Remington Military and Remington Law Enforcement models. These rifles are considered by many to be the most accurate production rifles currently on the market, which come ready to use right out of the box.2 The Remington 700 was first produced in 1962 and continues to be available in many stock, barrel and caliber configurations.

In addition to new versions of the Remington 700, preowned Remington 700 rifles are available through various merchants and distributors nationwide.3 Even customized, competition chambered Remington 700 rifles with warranties can be purchased through shops and over the Internet.4 Previously owned but unfired Remington 700 rifles can also be found through online stores. These are rifles which are sold by private owners who have never used them

 

[Mini 14]

Update:

After all the discussion here, I was reminded of my 700, which as I've said has sat in the safe for over two years. As luck would have it, I have another interview with ATF later this week or early next. I called my agent to discuss the interview, and mentioned that I had a 700 I wanted them to look at. I'm going to let them have it for a while to play with. We'll see if they're able to replicate the problem and I'll post updates as I get them. Keep in mind, this isn't going to be a priority to them, so I either expect to hear something right away (my agent is a good buddy who likes to shoot, so he may take it himself and go play with it right away), or 6 months from now.....and "never" is a strong possibility as well

In the meantime, I sighted in an older 700 I've used for decades, as well as a new VTR in .308 that I plan on using some this year. 95% of my "deer hunting" is now done with a Marlin 45/70 with iron sights (I just don't shoot at deer anymore, unless its Megarack or a small doe for jerkey.....wife and daughter hate venison), but the old 700 has killed many a coyote, and the new .308 is going to get a lot of chances to.

 

[MikeK]

I had a 700 in .243 back in the mid-60s. I suppose I shot it 100 times or more and never had a problem. About a year or two after I bought it I got interested in archery and sold it (along with several other guns) but I've always thought the Remington 700 BDL was an exceptionally beautiful rifle. And as I recall it was deadly accurate.

I recently saw the MSNBC special on the 700 and I hope the fellow I sold it to didn't have the problem with it and think that's why I sold it to him.

 

[Missourian]

misfire referring to firing without touching the trigger....there have been deaths...imagine knowing you didnt touch the trigger and yet killed someone? what kinda doubts would you have? imagine shooting your leg off...cause you were carrying your rifle pointing down and with the safety on...imagine doing everything you have ever been taught about guns and still killing someone..cause it fires with the safety on and toss this in...without you touching the trigger...the military films showed it firing when someone touched the bolt...over and over

You couldn't do everything you were taught and still kill someone.

You couldn't even get past rule 1.

1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
This is the primary rule of gun safety. A safe direction means that the gun is pointed so that even if it were to go off it would not cause injury or damage. The key to this rule is to control where the muzzle or front end of the barrel is pointed at all times. Common sense dictates the safest direction, depending on different circumstances.​

NRA Gun Safety Rules


EDIT - rereading this post, it sounds kinda adversarial and preachy, that's not my intention. My point is ANY weapon can malfunction and it is extremely important it is to follow these safety guidelines when handling a firearm.