Remember when Republicans said Obama didn't have any experience?

[Toddsterpatriot]

Tell me more about equal pay.

Lily Ledbetter

Women magically now have equal pay? Tell me more!

?

You think Obama gave women equal pay with that legislation? Seriously?

What Lily Ledbetter did was provide information to women about their relative pay that wasn't available before and expanded the window in which to make a claim

A major breakthrough for women

So he didn't get them equal pay. Good to know.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The poor own much stock?

The Great Obama expanded healthcare to the poor, expanded healthcare, equal pay laws, student loan reform

The "Great Obama" didn't expand healthcare - he created a health insurance handout. You can't expand healthcare that was already available to everyone. The "equal pay" laws are a joke -- a partisan issue about 15 years too late. As for student loan reform, all Obama did was move it from individuals to the national debt. Hardly a major accomplishment -

The Great Obama expanded healthcare availability to 20 million Americans
He reduced the financial burden on students and shifted it to lenders

He reduced the financial burden on students and shifted it to lenders

His government takeover of student lending shifted the burden to us.

When the defaults start to pile up, can we take more out of your paycheck?

Students got competitive rates

Another initiative by the Great Obama that helped the poor

What have Republicans ever done to help anyone but the wealthy?

Students got competitive rates

And US taxpayers are on the hook when they default. Cool!

 

[rightwinger]

Trumps lack of experience is destroying his presidency

Most Presidents without experience rely on subject matter experts and study extensively to make up for shortfalls

Trumps reading deficiencies and inability to listen to advice lead him to crisis after crisis

 

[JakeStarkey]

The OP is having fun.

Trump reels from face slap to face slap as he demonstrates just how unqualified is he as President.

The EOs on ACA will guarantee the return of the GOP in the House to a long term minority.

Remember when Republicans said Obama didn't have any experience?

 

[Meathead]

The OP is having fun.

Trump reels from face slap to face slap as he demonstrates just how unqualified is he as President.

The EOs on ACA will guarantee the return of the GOP in the House to a long term minority.

Remember when Republicans said Obama didn't have any experience?

Yeah, and Crooked Hillary is president.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Fallacy of confirmation bias, Meathead, once again is your signature reveal that you don't have a clue.

 

[Correll]

Who ran Trump University?

Trump. See how easy that is? Now, who gave money to Solyndra, team Bush or team Obama?

Nothing wrong with investing in R&D. Sometimes they work out and sometimes they don't . How many tries did NASA get before they put a man in space?
China invests heavily in solar power and now they are a leader in the industry

Solyndra wasn't "r&d" it was about trying to move to new tech before that tech is ready, for political reasons.

 

[rightwinger]

Who ran Trump University?

Trump. See how easy that is? Now, who gave money to Solyndra, team Bush or team Obama?

Nothing wrong with investing in R&D. Sometimes they work out and sometimes they don't . How many tries did NASA get before they put a man in space?
China invests heavily in solar power and now they are a leader in the industry

Solyndra wasn't "r&d" it was about trying to move to new tech before that tech is ready, for political reasons.

That is the way R&D works

Solar energy research is R&D. You don't always get the right solution. The U.S. has a long history of investing in health research, energy, transportation and space exploration

You don't always get success

 

[Correll]

Who ran Trump University?

Trump. See how easy that is? Now, who gave money to Solyndra, team Bush or team Obama?

Nothing wrong with investing in R&D. Sometimes they work out and sometimes they don't . How many tries did NASA get before they put a man in space?
China invests heavily in solar power and now they are a leader in the industry

Solyndra wasn't "r&d" it was about trying to move to new tech before that tech is ready, for political reasons.

That is the way R&D works

Solar energy research is R&D. You don't always get the right solution. The U.S. has a long history of investing in health research, energy, transportation and space exploration

You don't always get success

Nope. Solar energy has moved well beyond just R&D to practical applications.


Which is a good thing.


Trying to force the process for political reasons, ahead of where the technology is?


That was a failure.

 

[rightwinger]

Who ran Trump University?

Trump. See how easy that is? Now, who gave money to Solyndra, team Bush or team Obama?

Nothing wrong with investing in R&D. Sometimes they work out and sometimes they don't . How many tries did NASA get before they put a man in space?
China invests heavily in solar power and now they are a leader in the industry

Solyndra wasn't "r&d" it was about trying to move to new tech before that tech is ready, for political reasons.

That is the way R&D works

Solar energy research is R&D. You don't always get the right solution. The U.S. has a long history of investing in health research, energy, transportation and space exploration

You don't always get success

Nope. Solar energy has moved well beyond just R&D to practical applications.


Which is a good thing.


Trying to force the process for political reasons, ahead of where the technology is?


That was a failure.

Balanced energy policy not dependent on oil and coal

 

[alang1216]

God, I hope not!

I hired him to blow up the leftist regime in Washington, to close down the elitist political class, and give voice to the American people.

He's doing just fine .... sorry, you don't like it.

What would America look like if Trump did managed to do all that? What would be different? Serious question.

What would be different?

Big money would no longer control the government, because the government would be controlled by the citizenry (pretty hard to buy off 350 million people). Duplication and redundancy would be greatly reduced. The people would be back in charge - no longer would issues be decided by a select few (most unelected) who act in their own selfish interests, rather than the best interests, as defined by the American people.

Those actions delineated in the Constitution as being the province of the Federal government would be centralized. All others would be devolved to the States. There would no longer be larger constituencies ramming their standards and methodologies down the throat of those who don't believe in them. There, by necessity, would be a much stricter compliance with the content, and intent, of the Constitution.

There would be a loosening of the death grip the Federal government exerts on your daily life - instead, that power would devolve back to where it was originally intended - the States. Funding for the federal bureaucracy would also be devolved back to the States. Instead of having 1 massive government entity trying to solve issues, we would have 50 creative incubators. Fifty states would be defining healthcare plans the way THEIR citizens want it defined, rather than some one-size-fits-all band-aid decided by someone who is not invested in the answer (other than to satisfy big donors).

States would make laws that THEIR citizens want. Want to ban guns in Connecticut? Go ahead - just don't mess with guns in New Mexico. Want to eliminate high capacity clips in California? Do it - just don't mess with guns in Texas. Want to legalize marijuana in Massachusetts? Right on - just don't try to bring that garbage into Montana. Ready for this one? Want centralized health care in Oregon? Sign it up - just don't mess with healthcare in Louisiana. Let 50 states try their best - let them look at what the other 49 are doing. Pick the best, reject the rest.

Schools would be more responsive to the people paying for them - and would be more in line with local attitudes. The list goes on and on ---- the federal government has been on a 75 year power grab. This may be the last chance to limit the power of centralized government.

Return the federal government to its assigned functions - let the judiciary protect the rights of all people (they are the check and balance on the states). Let the rest of the government do their job - deliver the mail and provide for the common defense.

That's what would happen - A significantly weakened centralization of power in the federal government, increased control and responsibility at the state and local level, greatly increased citizen influence on their governments, and a citizenry given their Creator-endowed rights to self determination, self reliance, and self improvement.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply, all too rare here.
The country you describe sounds a lot like America before the Civil War. Basically autonomous states loosely tied together. It didn't work so well then, why think it would be any better in our hype-connected world today?

Actually, it worked pretty well - but we know that the move on centralizing the government has been going on since 1785. The resistance was strong until the Civil War, and basically faded away in the early 1900s. Since then the federal government has been usurping state and individual rights and/or individuals and states willfully abdicating their rights to the voracious federal government in exchange for a few beads.

As for today - it would work IF people were more interested in their individual freedoms than in the bright little baubles handed our by the government. Trump is probably the last-gasp effort for the people to peacefully insist on their rights. The next time probably won't be pretty.

it worked for some for sure. What you fail to realize is that every expansion of gov't was a REACTION to events, it was not a liberal conspiracy. The social programs of the 1930's were a reaction to horrors of the Great Depression. Government intrusion into the market is usually a reaction to extreme events, Robber Barons, credit default swaps, etc.

 

[Spare_change]

God, I hope not!

I hired him to blow up the leftist regime in Washington, to close down the elitist political class, and give voice to the American people.

He's doing just fine .... sorry, you don't like it.

What would America look like if Trump did managed to do all that? What would be different? Serious question.

What would be different?

Big money would no longer control the government, because the government would be controlled by the citizenry (pretty hard to buy off 350 million people). Duplication and redundancy would be greatly reduced. The people would be back in charge - no longer would issues be decided by a select few (most unelected) who act in their own selfish interests, rather than the best interests, as defined by the American people.

Those actions delineated in the Constitution as being the province of the Federal government would be centralized. All others would be devolved to the States. There would no longer be larger constituencies ramming their standards and methodologies down the throat of those who don't believe in them. There, by necessity, would be a much stricter compliance with the content, and intent, of the Constitution.

There would be a loosening of the death grip the Federal government exerts on your daily life - instead, that power would devolve back to where it was originally intended - the States. Funding for the federal bureaucracy would also be devolved back to the States. Instead of having 1 massive government entity trying to solve issues, we would have 50 creative incubators. Fifty states would be defining healthcare plans the way THEIR citizens want it defined, rather than some one-size-fits-all band-aid decided by someone who is not invested in the answer (other than to satisfy big donors).

States would make laws that THEIR citizens want. Want to ban guns in Connecticut? Go ahead - just don't mess with guns in New Mexico. Want to eliminate high capacity clips in California? Do it - just don't mess with guns in Texas. Want to legalize marijuana in Massachusetts? Right on - just don't try to bring that garbage into Montana. Ready for this one? Want centralized health care in Oregon? Sign it up - just don't mess with healthcare in Louisiana. Let 50 states try their best - let them look at what the other 49 are doing. Pick the best, reject the rest.

Schools would be more responsive to the people paying for them - and would be more in line with local attitudes. The list goes on and on ---- the federal government has been on a 75 year power grab. This may be the last chance to limit the power of centralized government.

Return the federal government to its assigned functions - let the judiciary protect the rights of all people (they are the check and balance on the states). Let the rest of the government do their job - deliver the mail and provide for the common defense.

That's what would happen - A significantly weakened centralization of power in the federal government, increased control and responsibility at the state and local level, greatly increased citizen influence on their governments, and a citizenry given their Creator-endowed rights to self determination, self reliance, and self improvement.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply, all too rare here.
The country you describe sounds a lot like America before the Civil War. Basically autonomous states loosely tied together. It didn't work so well then, why think it would be any better in our hype-connected world today?

Actually, it worked pretty well - but we know that the move on centralizing the government has been going on since 1785. The resistance was strong until the Civil War, and basically faded away in the early 1900s. Since then the federal government has been usurping state and individual rights and/or individuals and states willfully abdicating their rights to the voracious federal government in exchange for a few beads.

As for today - it would work IF people were more interested in their individual freedoms than in the bright little baubles handed our by the government. Trump is probably the last-gasp effort for the people to peacefully insist on their rights. The next time probably won't be pretty.

it worked for some for sure. What you fail to realize is that every expansion of gov't was a REACTION to events, it was not a liberal conspiracy. The social programs of the 1930's were a reaction to horrors of the Great Depression. Government intrusion into the market is usually a reaction to extreme events, Robber Barons, credit default swaps, etc.

We shall agree to disagree.

Maybe you can tell me what "events" necessitated Obamacare. Maybe you can tell what "events" necessitated the War on Poverty. The list goes on and on ....

 

[alang1216]

every expansion of gov't was a REACTION to events, it was not a liberal conspiracy. The social programs of the 1930's were a reaction to horrors of the Great Depression. Government intrusion into the market is usually a reaction to extreme events, Robber Barons, credit default swaps, etc.

We shall agree to disagree.

Maybe you can tell me what "events" necessitated Obamacare. Maybe you can tell what "events" necessitated the War on Poverty. The list goes on and on ....

Obamacare was a reaction to the millions of people who did not have health care.
War on Poverty - This legislation was proposed by Johnson in response to a national poverty rate of around nineteen percent.

And you're right, the list goes on and on. We in the US tend to forget our history very quickly when it clashes with our ideology.

 

[whitehall]

Obama was a real

Did Barry Hussein Obama ever have a freaking job that wasn't paid by taxpayers or endowment fund skimming with his friend and mentor and former domestic terrorist Bill Ayers? Harvard educated Hussein Sotoro couldn't even hold a job as a lawyer. His last known job was handing $20's on street corners for votes for democrats. How can you compare that kind of experience to a self made billionaire who met a payroll and actually created things and employed workers?

The Great Obama was eminently more qualified than a reality TV host[/QUOT
When push came to shove it seems that Obama wasn't much more than a reality T.V. host. Trump was a self made billionaire who met a payroll and created jobs for tens of thousands of workers. Hussein was a pretty face without a freaking clue but he had the support of the T.V. networks and that's all that seemed to matter to the star struck left.

 

[Spare_change]

Your premise is false ----- "millions of people who didn't have access to healthcare" is false. Everybody had access ... they didn't have healthcare INSURANCE - which meant they were expected to pay for the healthcare they got - you know, kinda like the way they were mandated to do under Obamacare.

But, see, to you that justifies an intrusion into our personal freedoms - to me, it doesn't.

But, let's go back to your supposition --- what was the "event" that necessitated the government seizing control of millions of acres of land? What was the cataclysmic event that resulted in the government taking control of all oil and natural gas drilling in the US? What horrendous event resulted in the government taking a stranglehold on the education system?

You're right --- the list goes on and on - because the lust for power goes on and on.

 

[rightwinger]

Your premise is false ----- "millions of people who didn't have access to healthcare" is false. Everybody had access ... they didn't have healthcare INSURANCE - which meant they were expected to pay for the healthcare they got - you know, kinda like the way they were mandated to do under Obamacare.

But, see, to you that justifies an intrusion into our personal freedoms - to me, it doesn't.

But, let's go back to your supposition --- what was the "event" that necessitated the government seizing control of millions of acres of land? What was the cataclysmic event that resulted in the government taking control of all oil and natural gas drilling in the US? What horrendous event resulted in the government taking a stranglehold on the education system?

You're right --- the list goes on and on - because the lust for power goes on and on.

Too, too funny

I have access to a penthouse in Trump Tower if I can afford it

 

[alang1216]

Your premise is false ----- "millions of people who didn't have access to healthcare" is false. Everybody had access ... they didn't have healthcare INSURANCE - which meant they were expected to pay for the healthcare they got - you know, kinda like the way they were mandated to do under Obamacare.

I have access to private jets. It just so happens I can't afford them so my 'access' is only theoretical.
The structure of our health care system was broken with the poor using ERs as there primary care providers. This is a complex system and that is why the GOP wants to get rid of Obamacare but is unable to come up with an alternative that is better and not just different.

But, see, to you that justifies an intrusion into our personal freedoms - to me, it doesn't.

Yes, we have different values.

But, let's go back to your supposition --- what was the "event" that necessitated the government seizing control of millions of acres of land?

If you're talking about the West, someone had to own it. Federal, state, local, or private. I think all are represented.

What was the cataclysmic event that resulted in the government taking control of all oil and natural gas drilling in the US?

When oil fields were first being developed there was no control. If I owned the land next to you I could put a pump near the boundary and end up extracting oil below you property. You'd have to do the same to keep your oil. The physics of oil geology meant this was extraordinarily wasteful and expensive so government oversight was welcomed.

What horrendous event resulted in the government taking a stranglehold on the education system?

Not sure about a 'stranglehold' but the quality of education varies widely across the country. The Feds have tried to impose standards that local schools much reach.