Remember when Republicans said Obama didn't have any experience?

[K9Buck]

Who ran Trump University?

Trump. See how easy that is? Now, who gave money to Solyndra, team Bush or team Obama?

 

[Spare_change]

God, I hope not!

I hired him to blow up the leftist regime in Washington, to close down the elitist political class, and give voice to the American people.

He's doing just fine .... sorry, you don't like it.

What would America look like if Trump did managed to do all that? What would be different? Serious question.

What would be different?

Big money would no longer control the government, because the government would be controlled by the citizenry (pretty hard to buy off 350 million people). Duplication and redundancy would be greatly reduced. The people would be back in charge - no longer would issues be decided by a select few (most unelected) who act in their own selfish interests, rather than the best interests, as defined by the American people.

Those actions delineated in the Constitution as being the province of the Federal government would be centralized. All others would be devolved to the States. There would no longer be larger constituencies ramming their standards and methodologies down the throat of those who don't believe in them. There, by necessity, would be a much stricter compliance with the content, and intent, of the Constitution.

There would be a loosening of the death grip the Federal government exerts on your daily life - instead, that power would devolve back to where it was originally intended - the States. Funding for the federal bureaucracy would also be devolved back to the States. Instead of having 1 massive government entity trying to solve issues, we would have 50 creative incubators. Fifty states would be defining healthcare plans the way THEIR citizens want it defined, rather than some one-size-fits-all band-aid decided by someone who is not invested in the answer (other than to satisfy big donors).

States would make laws that THEIR citizens want. Want to ban guns in Connecticut? Go ahead - just don't mess with guns in New Mexico. Want to eliminate high capacity clips in California? Do it - just don't mess with guns in Texas. Want to legalize marijuana in Massachusetts? Right on - just don't try to bring that garbage into Montana. Ready for this one? Want centralized health care in Oregon? Sign it up - just don't mess with healthcare in Louisiana. Let 50 states try their best - let them look at what the other 49 are doing. Pick the best, reject the rest.

Schools would be more responsive to the people paying for them - and would be more in line with local attitudes. The list goes on and on ---- the federal government has been on a 75 year power grab. This may be the last chance to limit the power of centralized government.

Return the federal government to its assigned functions - let the judiciary protect the rights of all people (they are the check and balance on the states). Let the rest of the government do their job - deliver the mail and provide for the common defense.

That's what would happen - A significantly weakened centralization of power in the federal government, increased control and responsibility at the state and local level, greatly increased citizen influence on their governments, and a citizenry given their Creator-endowed rights to self determination, self reliance, and self improvement.

What an odd mixture of Fantasy and Conspiracy. A lot of talking points, a right wing word salad, but not a lot of thought. As usual.

Casually dismissing it does not it render it false - it only demonstrates how intellectually lazy you are. Since you can't refute it, you ignore it.

Well done --- though, pretty much your normal approach.

 

[Spare_change]

I agree. When your math is that bad, you shouldn't say anymore.

When they're touting Solyndra as an Obama success story, then you know they're either an idiot, a liar or like 99% of liberals - both.

Especially since it started under Bush.

Did the program that funded the Solyndra loan start under George W. Bush? David Plouffe says so

The Energy Department's loan guarantee program was created as part of the Energy Policy Act of 2005, passed by a Republican-controlled Congress and signed by Bush.

Republicans, including Bush, emphasized the program's benefits for nuclear energy and biofuels. The president touted the new energy law in his 2007 State of the Union address. His energy secretary, Samuel Bodman, regularly mentioned the loan guarantees in speeches on renewable energy. The Energy Department issued its final rules for the program in 2007, along with a list of 16 companies that made the cut for to apply for its first round of awards, and Solyndra was among them.
---------------------------

You guys can't have your own facts. There's a paper trail, duh! What is wrong with you people?

Let me see. Republicans created the program - Democrats abused it. Therefore, it's the Republicans' fault because they should have known the Democrats couldn't handle it.

Got it. Makes perfect sense when you think about it that way.

 

[mudwhistle]

God, I hope not!

I hired him to blow up the leftist regime in Washington, to close down the elitist political class, and give voice to the American people.

He's doing just fine .... sorry, you don't like it.

Nancy Pelosi screams "TRUMP POLICIES ARE VIOLENT TO AMERICA AND THE WORLD!!!"

What the president is doing, it's violent. His actions are violent. He does violence to what we want to do in health care. He does violence to the national debt by what he is adding to it. He does violence to the world, in terms of nuclear proliferation and the environment and our standing in the world, with his frivolity. What we want him to do is to calm down, get used to the job he has, know that his words weigh a ton, and that he really should know what he's talking about when he says something. Opinion | Pelosi: Trump's policies are violent to America, the world

 

[Spare_change]

God, I hope not!

I hired him to blow up the leftist regime in Washington, to close down the elitist political class, and give voice to the American people.

He's doing just fine .... sorry, you don't like it.

What would America look like if Trump did managed to do all that? What would be different? Serious question.

What would be different?

Big money would no longer control the government, because the government would be controlled by the citizenry (pretty hard to buy off 350 million people). Duplication and redundancy would be greatly reduced. The people would be back in charge - no longer would issues be decided by a select few (most unelected) who act in their own selfish interests, rather than the best interests, as defined by the American people.

Those actions delineated in the Constitution as being the province of the Federal government would be centralized. All others would be devolved to the States. There would no longer be larger constituencies ramming their standards and methodologies down the throat of those who don't believe in them. There, by necessity, would be a much stricter compliance with the content, and intent, of the Constitution.

There would be a loosening of the death grip the Federal government exerts on your daily life - instead, that power would devolve back to where it was originally intended - the States. Funding for the federal bureaucracy would also be devolved back to the States. Instead of having 1 massive government entity trying to solve issues, we would have 50 creative incubators. Fifty states would be defining healthcare plans the way THEIR citizens want it defined, rather than some one-size-fits-all band-aid decided by someone who is not invested in the answer (other than to satisfy big donors).

States would make laws that THEIR citizens want. Want to ban guns in Connecticut? Go ahead - just don't mess with guns in New Mexico. Want to eliminate high capacity clips in California? Do it - just don't mess with guns in Texas. Want to legalize marijuana in Massachusetts? Right on - just don't try to bring that garbage into Montana. Ready for this one? Want centralized health care in Oregon? Sign it up - just don't mess with healthcare in Louisiana. Let 50 states try their best - let them look at what the other 49 are doing. Pick the best, reject the rest.

Schools would be more responsive to the people paying for them - and would be more in line with local attitudes. The list goes on and on ---- the federal government has been on a 75 year power grab. This may be the last chance to limit the power of centralized government.

Return the federal government to its assigned functions - let the judiciary protect the rights of all people (they are the check and balance on the states). Let the rest of the government do their job - deliver the mail and provide for the common defense.

That's what would happen - A significantly weakened centralization of power in the federal government, increased control and responsibility at the state and local level, greatly increased citizen influence on their governments, and a citizenry given their Creator-endowed rights to self determination, self reliance, and self improvement.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply, all too rare here.
The country you describe sounds a lot like America before the Civil War. Basically autonomous states loosely tied together. It didn't work so well then, why think it would be any better in our hype-connected world today?

Actually, it worked pretty well - but we know that the move on centralizing the government has been going on since 1785. The resistance was strong until the Civil War, and basically faded away in the early 1900s. Since then the federal government has been usurping state and individual rights and/or individuals and states willfully abdicating their rights to the voracious federal government in exchange for a few beads.

As for today - it would work IF people were more interested in their individual freedoms than in the bright little baubles handed our by the government. Trump is probably the last-gasp effort for the people to peacefully insist on their rights. The next time probably won't be pretty.

 

[rightwinger]

Helping the poor

NEXT!

The poor own much stock?

The Great Obama expanded healthcare to the poor, expanded healthcare, equal pay laws, student loan reform

Tell me more about equal pay.

Lily Ledbetter

Women magically now have equal pay? Tell me more!

?

 

[Spare_change]

We'll see what Trump does. Your boyfriend had 8 years to do something and failed miserably. If Trump falls flat I'll be bashing him, unlike you who can't suck Barry's schlong hard enough.

Over half the value of the Stock Market was added under the Great Obama
Over $55 trillion in wealth

More than any other President

Over half the value of the Stock Market was added under the Great Obama
Over $55 trillion in wealth

So besides helping the rich, his biggest accomplishments were..........?

Helping the poor

NEXT!

The poor own much stock?

The Great Obama expanded healthcare to the poor, expanded healthcare, equal pay laws, student loan reform

The "Great Obama" didn't expand healthcare - he created a health insurance handout. You can't expand healthcare that was already available to everyone. The "equal pay" laws are a joke -- a partisan issue about 15 years too late. As for student loan reform, all Obama did was move it from individuals to the national debt. Hardly a major accomplishment -

 

[Spare_change]

God, I hope not!

I hired him to blow up the leftist regime in Washington, to close down the elitist political class, and give voice to the American people.

He's doing just fine .... sorry, you don't like it.

Nancy Pelosi screams "TRUMP POLICIES ARE VIOLENT TO AMERICA AND THE WORLD!!!"

What the president is doing, it's violent. His actions are violent. He does violence to what we want to do in health care. He does violence to the national debt by what he is adding to it. He does violence to the world, in terms of nuclear proliferation and the environment and our standing in the world, with his frivolity. What we want him to do is to calm down, get used to the job he has, know that his words weigh a ton, and that he really should know what he's talking about when he says something. Opinion | Pelosi: Trump's policies are violent to America, the world

Yep ---- ya gotta love it.

 

[rightwinger]

Who ran Trump University?

Trump. See how easy that is? Now, who gave money to Solyndra, team Bush or team Obama?

Nothing wrong with investing in R&D. Sometimes they work out and sometimes they don't . How many tries did NASA get before they put a man in space?
China invests heavily in solar power and now they are a leader in the industry

 

[rightwinger]

Over half the value of the Stock Market was added under the Great Obama
Over $55 trillion in wealth

More than any other President

Over half the value of the Stock Market was added under the Great Obama
Over $55 trillion in wealth

So besides helping the rich, his biggest accomplishments were..........?

Helping the poor

NEXT!

The poor own much stock?

The Great Obama expanded healthcare to the poor, expanded healthcare, equal pay laws, student loan reform

The "Great Obama" didn't expand healthcare - he created a health insurance handout. You can't expand healthcare that was already available to everyone. The "equal pay" laws are a joke -- a partisan issue about 15 years too late. As for student loan reform, all Obama did was move it from individuals to the national debt. Hardly a major accomplishment -

The Great Obama expanded healthcare availability to 20 million Americans
He reduced the financial burden on students and shifted it to lenders

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The poor own much stock?

The Great Obama expanded healthcare to the poor, expanded healthcare, equal pay laws, student loan reform

Tell me more about equal pay.

Lily Ledbetter

Women magically now have equal pay? Tell me more!

?

You think Obama gave women equal pay with that legislation? Seriously?

 

[mudwhistle]

The Great Obama expanded healthcare to the poor, expanded healthcare, equal pay laws, student loan reform

Tell me more about equal pay.

Lily Ledbetter

Women magically now have equal pay? Tell me more!

?

You think Obama gave women equal pay with that legislation? Seriously?

I think we all should make exactly the same income as Mark Zuckerberg.

 

[Spare_change]

Over half the value of the Stock Market was added under the Great Obama
Over $55 trillion in wealth

So besides helping the rich, his biggest accomplishments were..........?

Helping the poor

NEXT!

The poor own much stock?

The Great Obama expanded healthcare to the poor, expanded healthcare, equal pay laws, student loan reform

The "Great Obama" didn't expand healthcare - he created a health insurance handout. You can't expand healthcare that was already available to everyone. The "equal pay" laws are a joke -- a partisan issue about 15 years too late. As for student loan reform, all Obama did was move it from individuals to the national debt. Hardly a major accomplishment -

The Great Obama expanded healthcare availability to 20 million Americans
He reduced the financial burden on students and shifted it to lenders

PLEASE tell me you don't really believe either one of those lies. Please!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Over half the value of the Stock Market was added under the Great Obama
Over $55 trillion in wealth

So besides helping the rich, his biggest accomplishments were..........?

Helping the poor

NEXT!

The poor own much stock?

The Great Obama expanded healthcare to the poor, expanded healthcare, equal pay laws, student loan reform

The "Great Obama" didn't expand healthcare - he created a health insurance handout. You can't expand healthcare that was already available to everyone. The "equal pay" laws are a joke -- a partisan issue about 15 years too late. As for student loan reform, all Obama did was move it from individuals to the national debt. Hardly a major accomplishment -

The Great Obama expanded healthcare availability to 20 million Americans
He reduced the financial burden on students and shifted it to lenders

He reduced the financial burden on students and shifted it to lenders

His government takeover of student lending shifted the burden to us.

When the defaults start to pile up, can we take more out of your paycheck?

 

[K9Buck]

Who ran Trump University?

Trump. See how easy that is? Now, who gave money to Solyndra, team Bush or team Obama?

Nothing wrong with investing in R&D. Sometimes they work out and sometimes they don't . How many tries did NASA get before they put a man in space?
China invests heavily in solar power and now they are a leader in the industry

Your boy says it was Bush's fault that team Obama gave the money to Solyndra. I'm just attempting to see if he can acknowledge the truth.

 

[K9Buck]

PLEASE tell me you don't really believe either one of those lies. Please!

The term "useful idiot" comes to mind.

 

[rightwinger]

The Great Obama expanded healthcare to the poor, expanded healthcare, equal pay laws, student loan reform

Tell me more about equal pay.

Lily Ledbetter

Women magically now have equal pay? Tell me more!

?

You think Obama gave women equal pay with that legislation? Seriously?

What Lily Ledbetter did was provide information to women about their relative pay that wasn't available before and expanded the window in which to make a claim

A major breakthrough for women

 

[rightwinger]

Who ran Trump University?

Trump. See how easy that is? Now, who gave money to Solyndra, team Bush or team Obama?

Nothing wrong with investing in R&D. Sometimes they work out and sometimes they don't . How many tries did NASA get before they put a man in space?
China invests heavily in solar power and now they are a leader in the industry

Your boy says it was Bush's fault that team Obama gave the money to Solyndra. I'm just attempting to see if he can acknowledge the truth.

It was an investment in technology. A risk all great nations make.
We didn't get to the moon without it

 

[rightwinger]

Helping the poor

NEXT!

The poor own much stock?

The Great Obama expanded healthcare to the poor, expanded healthcare, equal pay laws, student loan reform

The "Great Obama" didn't expand healthcare - he created a health insurance handout. You can't expand healthcare that was already available to everyone. The "equal pay" laws are a joke -- a partisan issue about 15 years too late. As for student loan reform, all Obama did was move it from individuals to the national debt. Hardly a major accomplishment -

The Great Obama expanded healthcare availability to 20 million Americans
He reduced the financial burden on students and shifted it to lenders

He reduced the financial burden on students and shifted it to lenders

His government takeover of student lending shifted the burden to us.

When the defaults start to pile up, can we take more out of your paycheck?

Students got competitive rates

Another initiative by the Great Obama that helped the poor

What have Republicans ever done to help anyone but the wealthy?

 

[PredFan]

No experience. They were afraid because Obama had no experience.

Remember when Obama went to the GOP retreat?

Obama Goes To GOP Lions' Den -- And Mauls The Lions

I remember the worst things said about Obama was that someone yelled out liar at a congressional speech.
That his was born in Kenya.
That Republicans prayed for his death.
Called him a tar baby and uppity.

And now?

Trump not only has no experience, he has no knowledge.



We are watching the unraveling of a presidency. A thin skinned narcissist who sued someone for suggesting his father was an orangutan.
He has isolated the United States and now, even Republicans are suggesting he needs daycare.

That's the reality. That's who our president is. Republicans have trashed Democrats for decades and now, look at what we have.

The question is, "Will the country manage to keep the damage to a minimum?"

Yes 0bama had no experience, none.

Trump is a veteran businessman. That is what we wanted. 0bama had no experience in anything. That's why he fucked everything up so badly.