Remember what you were warned about with egypt a few months back?

[The T]

Against the will of the people? Would you support Lennin's over throw of the Czar of russia?

While using Unions and the people to get power...then outlaw the tools that you used?

SOP for Marxist/Communists/Fascists

Yep not all democracy protest movements are not for the people by the people. They are for the handlers of the pupets who march.

And paid for in full by the puppeteers.

 

[bodecea]

I would like to know what we were expected to do considering that Egypt is NOT our country.

 

[Oddball]

Yes I remeber that also but I did not cheer about it. I knew what was going to happen just like whats about to happen now.

It's all over but the spin. IRAN is now saying WE are in an American Spring...I'm sure the meaning is lost on a bunch of wierd-beard islamics...that have no concept of true Liberty in such a Marxist Theocracy.

I, for one, am little concerned about what the crazy people running Iran say.

I'm much more concerned about what the stone lunatics running this nation say.

 

[bodecea]

It's all over but the spin. IRAN is now saying WE are in an American Spring...I'm sure the meaning is lost on a bunch of wierd-beard islamics...that have no concept of true Liberty in such a Marxist Theocracy.

I, for one, am little concerned about what the crazy people running Iran say.

I'm much more concerned about what the stone lunatics running this nation say.

I disagree...they may be doing somethings I don't like. They may be doing somethings you don't like...but lunatics upon the level of those leading Iran.....er....no.

 

[pgm]

History proves me right no matter how you twist it, democracy is a danger to freedom and individual liberty's. It's the birth place of Dictatorships

I didn't twist anything. I just pointed how your examples are not examples of dictatorships forming because of the people voted for handouts, which led to economic collapse.

If you want to say democracy is the birth of dictatorships, I have two things to say. 1) I think Iran proves your "philosopher king" idea to be a shitty one, Plato. 2) The military is a much more obvious birthplace of dictatorships from my reading of history.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

History proves me right no matter how you twist it, democracy is a danger to freedom and individual liberty's. It's the birth place of Dictatorships

I didn't twist anything. I just pointed how your examples are not examples of dictatorships forming because of the people voted for handouts, which led to economic collapse.

If you want to say democracy is the birth of dictatorships, I have two things to say. 1) I think Iran proves your "philosopher king" idea to be a shitty one, Plato. 2) The military is a much more obvious birthplace of dictatorships from my reading of history.

Do you really want to use Iran as an example? I remember the Iran of the 70's look what there form of democracy got us now.,

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I, for one, am little concerned about what the crazy people running Iran say.

I'm much more concerned about what the stone lunatics running this nation say.

I disagree...they may be doing somethings I don't like. They may be doing somethings you don't like...but lunatics upon the level of those leading Iran.....er....no.

You're not believable because you're a LIAR THAT WELSHED ON THE BET BE GONE BITCH

 

[The T]

it's all over but the spin. Iran is now saying we are in an american spring...i'm sure the meaning is lost on a bunch of wierd-beard islamics...that have no concept of true liberty in such a marxist theocracy.

i, for one, am little concerned about what the crazy people running iran say.

i'm much more concerned about what the stone lunatics running this nation say.

^^this^^

 

[The T]

I would like to know what we were expected to do considering that Egypt is NOT our country.

Ask yer PAL Obama that seems to support the Muslim Brotherhood in his speech at Cairo University during the Apology Tour 2009.

 

[CT9]

The two go hand in hand. Democracies only exist until a majority of the people find they can vote themselves funds from the public treasury. They then only vote for those who promise the most benefits for doing nothing. The nation falls apart over such loose fiscal policy and is replaced by a dictatorship.

Right now we are at the point where people are voting for those candidates who promise the most benefits. We have people in the streets demanding more benefits for doing nothing. We have a regime in power that smells dictatorship in the air promising "If you just give us the power we will give you new I-Pods". We have really stupid and ignorant people who believe that once such power is given to the dictator he really WILL give eveyone that toy they have been pining over. They need do nothing but take drugs, screw and crap in the street as celebrating their freedom.

My only question is WHY would anyone believe the democrats? WHY?

What people fail to realize is democracy is a threat to individual liberties.

Oh. THAT's a keeper!

What he's saying is right... but I'm sure the amount of time you have spent studying real politics not this blog shit you people peddle as proof, is little to none

oh yea and...

You're not believable because you're a LIAR THAT WELSHED ON THE BET BE GONE BITCH

 

[Full-Auto]

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I'm much more concerned about what the stone lunatics running this nation say.

I disagree...they may be doing somethings I don't like. They may be doing somethings you don't like...but lunatics upon the level of those leading Iran.....er....no.

You're not believable because you're a LIAR THAT WELSHED ON THE BET BE GONE BITCH[/QUOTE]

The first half dozen times OK

But now....................

 

[CT9]

History proves me right no matter how you twist it, democracy is a danger to freedom and individual liberty's. It's the birth place of Dictatorships

I didn't twist anything. I just pointed how your examples are not examples of dictatorships forming because of the people voted for handouts, which led to economic collapse.

If you want to say democracy is the birth of dictatorships, I have two things to say. 1) I think Iran proves your "philosopher king" idea to be a shitty one, Plato. 2) The military is a much more obvious birthplace of dictatorships from my reading of history.

Ever hear of mob rule?

Now you are talking about monarchies and other forms of government that were already dictatorships. A republic can't just have a dictator over night, it would never fly, however, when it starts to teeter on a more direct democracy that is when issues arise. That is when the will of the majority becomes the tyranny of the minority, but right, you are dead on.

I'm guessing you don't know what you are talking about, their is a difference between a democracy and republic and though it's painted as miniscule the difference is profound in implication.

 

[boilermaker55]

I hear some Egyptian activists are helping the OWS folks. Plus, Lech Wałęsa is on the way to help overthrow corrupt capitalism. Praise Gawd.

I hear that you are a completely ignorant useful idiot.

Saints preserve us.

Isn't it sad they are uprising to change the corruption that is around the world, so your little comfy place is going to have to change.

 

[bodecea]

I would like to know what we were expected to do considering that Egypt is NOT our country.

Ask yer PAL Obama that seems to support the Muslim Brotherhood in his speech at Cairo University during the Apology Tour 2009.

Speeches? really? I would like to see what is "substantial support" about a speech. Please clarify for me. And as for "my Pal Obama", maybe you are not paying attention. I am likeing Cain more and more. Shall we call him "my Pal Cain" to be consistant?

 

[Katzndogz]

Oh they want corruption all right. Just a different kind of corruption.

Tunisia was the birthplace of the Arab Spring. The people demanded freedom. To do WHAT? To do this!

Tunisia police teargas protest at 'blasphemous' TV station - Yahoo! News

Tunisian extremists fire-bombed the home of a TV station chief Friday, hours after militants protesting its broadcast of a film they say violated Islamic values clashed with police in the streets of Tunis.

About a hundred men, some of whom threw Molotov cocktails, lay siege to the home of Nessma private television chief Nabil Karoui late Friday, the station reported in its evening news bulletin.

Karoui's family had only just escaped, the news presenter said as Nessma denounced the attack.

 

[pgm]

Ever hear of mob rule?

Naturally. I just don't usually see them as arising from Democracy. A lot of times they'll demand Democracy and that might fail, but the mob does not usually start because the people have too much say in government.

Now you are talking about monarchies and other forms of government that were already dictatorships. A republic can't just have a dictator over night, it would never fly, however, when it starts to teeter on a more direct democracy that is when issues arise. That is when the will of the majority becomes the tyranny of the minority, but right, you are dead on.

Where are you agreeing with me here?

I'm guessing you don't know what you are talking about, their is a difference between a democracy and republic and though it's painted as miniscule the difference is profound in implication.

How do you define "Republic" since there are many different definitions. The Latin, Res publica, just means public affairs (basically "government"). Machiavelli uses the term to refer to anything that is not a monarchy (as in rule by one). There are liberal republics, socialist republics, Islamic republics and so on.

As for a "democracy," it's definition is a bit less varied since it is "rule by the people." You have direct democracies like Athens and representative democracies like the United States. "Democracy" and "Republic" are not mutually exclusive and republics don't need any elements of democracy. Indirect democracy and republic are synonyms in James Madison's use of the term, I believe.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Ever hear of mob rule?

Naturally. I just don't usually see them as arising from Democracy. A lot of times they'll demand Democracy and that might fail, but the mob does not usually start because the people have too much say in government.

Now you are talking about monarchies and other forms of government that were already dictatorships. A republic can't just have a dictator over night, it would never fly, however, when it starts to teeter on a more direct democracy that is when issues arise. That is when the will of the majority becomes the tyranny of the minority, but right, you are dead on.

Where are you agreeing with me here?

I'm guessing you don't know what you are talking about, their is a difference between a democracy and republic and though it's painted as miniscule the difference is profound in implication.

How do you define "Republic" since there are many different definitions. The Latin, Res publica, just means public affairs (basically "government"). Machiavelli uses the term to refer to anything that is not a monarchy (as in rule by one). There are liberal republics, socialist republics, Islamic republics and so on.

As for a "democracy," it's definition is a bit less varied since it is "rule by the people." You have direct democracies like Athens and representative democracies like the United States. "Democracy" and "Republic" are not mutually exclusive and republics don't need any elements of democracy. Indirect democracy and republic are synonyms in James Madison's use of the term, I believe.

The majority rules in a democracy. If 51 percent of the people agreed that having sex with a child under 10 was ok and should be allowed by law it would become law. MANY Dictators have risen through so called democracy's Democracy is not as good as you think it is.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Oh they want corruption all right. Just a different kind of corruption.

Tunisia was the birthplace of the Arab Spring. The people demanded freedom. To do WHAT? To do this!

Tunisia police teargas protest at 'blasphemous' TV station - Yahoo! News

Tunisian extremists fire-bombed the home of a TV station chief Friday, hours after militants protesting its broadcast of a film they say violated Islamic values clashed with police in the streets of Tunis.

About a hundred men, some of whom threw Molotov cocktails, lay siege to the home of Nessma private television chief Nabil Karoui late Friday, the station reported in its evening news bulletin.

Karoui's family had only just escaped, the news presenter said as Nessma denounced the attack.

Thats democracy in action.

 

[waltky]

Arab Spring bogs down in Middle East...

Yemeni Troops Fire into Crowds, Dozens of Casualties
October 15, 2011 - Security forces loyal to embattled Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh fired at protesters and armed dissidents in the capital Sana'a Saturday, killing at least 12 people and wounding dozens. Earlier, an airstrike in southeastern Yemen's Shabwa province killed at least nine people, including a number of local al-Qaida figures.

Yemeni government security forces fired teargas and live rounds of ammunition into crowds of opposition supporters Saturday, causing numerous casualties. Witnesses say the government forces were attempting to stop the protesters, who were advancing towards their positions. Arab satellite channels showed wounded young men in obvious pain as doctors and medics applied antiseptics to their wounds. Dozens of casualties were lined up on the floor of one local hospital. The opposition march began at Sana'a University, where protesters shouted slogans against the government and carried banners calling for the resignation of embattled President Ali Abdullah Saleh.

Shooting and scuffles broke out after demonstrators tried to cross into territory held by forces loyal to President Saleh along Zubeiri Street. A dissident army unit, loyal to defected army commander Ali Mohsen al-Ahmar controls the square and surrounding district where protesters are camped out. Deputy Information Minister Abdou Janadi deplored the casualties, but insisted that it was the opposition that provoked the clashes. He says the casualties are unfortunate, but accuses the opposition of using the protesters as a human shield and dispatching them in the direction of loyalist forces for a confrontation.

Stephen Steinbeiser, who heads the American Center for Yemeni Studies in Sana'a, says the capital has increasingly been divided up into rival centers of power that sometimes come into conflict. "The situation feels like a low-level civil war, and there are parts of the city downtown where we are that you just can't really go into," Steinbeiser noted. "Some of these areas have been blocked off for months and it does look like a war zone. It looks like kind of the early days of the civil war in Beirut. On the one side you have the burned out buildings and cars, on the other side you have the pocked-marked buildings. It's not completely destroyed, but the soldiers are taking positions on the street corners..."

Steinbeiser argues that the "longer the (chaos) continues, the worse the situation becomes... and the less likely it is for any kind of peaceful resolution." He also notes that the rest of Yemen is in a holding pattern, "waiting to see who wins in the capital." A Yemeni goverment official said that overnight several suspected U.S. air strikes targeted al-Qaida positions in Shabwa province killing several al-Qaida leaders including the media chief for al-Qaida's Yemen branch and a son of slain U.S. born cleric Anwar al-Awlaki.

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UN warns of civil war as Syrian Army deaths climb
October 14, 2011 - Concerns are mounting that Syria's uprising could descend into civil war as clashes between Syrian Army soldiers and protesters intensify.

The United Nations' top human rights official warned on Friday that the "ruthless repression" of the Syrian regime could develop into a "full-blown civil war." Citing a death toll that they say has now topped 3,000, UN officials called for international action to protect Syrian protesters. While antigovernment protesters are still dying in high numbers, the numbers of Syrian soldiers who are dying are creeping higher as well, signaling that the uprising is sliding into a two-sided, armed fight.

According to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, 25 of the 36 people killed in clashes Friday were Syrian Army soldiers, Agence France-Presse reports. The group said it was surprised "at the silence of the Syrian authorities on the killings of dozens of regular Army soldiers in the past few days." Many of the clashes have been between Army soldiers and Army deserters who switched sides because they were unwilling to fire on protesters, according to the human rights group. Protesters called for demonstrations today in support of the defected soldiers. The US and Europe have warned repeatedly that without reform, the protest movement, not just its Army deserter supporters, will turn to violence.

Navi Pillay, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, would not suggest what international action should be taken, and said the question of a military intervention was up to the UN Security Council, not her. "That obviously is for states to decide. What has been done so far is not producing results and people continue to be killed virtually every single day," her spokesman said, according to Reuters. However, this summer Ms. Pillay encouraged the Security Council to refer several Syrian officials to the International Criminal Court to be tried for crimes against humanity – a step that preceded the UN-approved intervention in Libya.

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[bigrebnc1775]

Arab Spring bogs down in Middle East...

Yemeni Troops Fire into Crowds, Dozens of Casualties
October 15, 2011 - Security forces loyal to embattled Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh fired at protesters and armed dissidents in the capital Sana'a Saturday, killing at least 12 people and wounding dozens. Earlier, an airstrike in southeastern Yemen's Shabwa province killed at least nine people, including a number of local al-Qaida figures.

Yemeni government security forces fired teargas and live rounds of ammunition into crowds of opposition supporters Saturday, causing numerous casualties. Witnesses say the government forces were attempting to stop the protesters, who were advancing towards their positions. Arab satellite channels showed wounded young men in obvious pain as doctors and medics applied antiseptics to their wounds. Dozens of casualties were lined up on the floor of one local hospital. The opposition march began at Sana'a University, where protesters shouted slogans against the government and carried banners calling for the resignation of embattled President Ali Abdullah Saleh.

Shooting and scuffles broke out after demonstrators tried to cross into territory held by forces loyal to President Saleh along Zubeiri Street. A dissident army unit, loyal to defected army commander Ali Mohsen al-Ahmar controls the square and surrounding district where protesters are camped out. Deputy Information Minister Abdou Janadi deplored the casualties, but insisted that it was the opposition that provoked the clashes. He says the casualties are unfortunate, but accuses the opposition of using the protesters as a human shield and dispatching them in the direction of loyalist forces for a confrontation.

Stephen Steinbeiser, who heads the American Center for Yemeni Studies in Sana'a, says the capital has increasingly been divided up into rival centers of power that sometimes come into conflict. "The situation feels like a low-level civil war, and there are parts of the city downtown where we are that you just can't really go into," Steinbeiser noted. "Some of these areas have been blocked off for months and it does look like a war zone. It looks like kind of the early days of the civil war in Beirut. On the one side you have the burned out buildings and cars, on the other side you have the pocked-marked buildings. It's not completely destroyed, but the soldiers are taking positions on the street corners..."

Steinbeiser argues that the "longer the (chaos) continues, the worse the situation becomes... and the less likely it is for any kind of peaceful resolution." He also notes that the rest of Yemen is in a holding pattern, "waiting to see who wins in the capital." A Yemeni goverment official said that overnight several suspected U.S. air strikes targeted al-Qaida positions in Shabwa province killing several al-Qaida leaders including the media chief for al-Qaida's Yemen branch and a son of slain U.S. born cleric Anwar al-Awlaki.

Source

See also:

UN warns of civil war as Syrian Army deaths climb
October 14, 2011 - Concerns are mounting that Syria's uprising could descend into civil war as clashes between Syrian Army soldiers and protesters intensify.

The United Nations' top human rights official warned on Friday that the "ruthless repression" of the Syrian regime could develop into a "full-blown civil war." Citing a death toll that they say has now topped 3,000, UN officials called for international action to protect Syrian protesters. While antigovernment protesters are still dying in high numbers, the numbers of Syrian soldiers who are dying are creeping higher as well, signaling that the uprising is sliding into a two-sided, armed fight.

According to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, 25 of the 36 people killed in clashes Friday were Syrian Army soldiers, Agence France-Presse reports. The group said it was surprised "at the silence of the Syrian authorities on the killings of dozens of regular Army soldiers in the past few days." Many of the clashes have been between Army soldiers and Army deserters who switched sides because they were unwilling to fire on protesters, according to the human rights group. Protesters called for demonstrations today in support of the defected soldiers. The US and Europe have warned repeatedly that without reform, the protest movement, not just its Army deserter supporters, will turn to violence.

Navi Pillay, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, would not suggest what international action should be taken, and said the question of a military intervention was up to the UN Security Council, not her. "That obviously is for states to decide. What has been done so far is not producing results and people continue to be killed virtually every single day," her spokesman said, according to Reuters. However, this summer Ms. Pillay encouraged the Security Council to refer several Syrian officials to the International Criminal Court to be tried for crimes against humanity – a step that preceded the UN-approved intervention in Libya.

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