Remember The "DATE" In New York?

It seems our difference is the way we see and define power as it pertains to a person.

To me, you have no power if you must answer to someone for every move you make.

A leader without power is the best leader a country can have.

The power is based on what the Country as a whole can offer...through its "figurehead.

You see, as a conservative I do not see the role of the President to be our leader. I see him as our figurhead and spokesman...and one that will allow others to see and appreciate OUR power.

I do not want other world leaders doing for our president as they see him as powerful. I want them doing for US, based on what OUR figurhead presents for US

our figurehead changes every 4 or 8 years.....we do not want things done strictly for one figurehead...we want it done for US as a people.

Again...that is my opoinion.

I enjoy debating you oldandtired....a change from the usual profane namecalling

I think our difference is the old big fish in a small pond analogy.

Is someone who has absolute power over a small entity more powerful than someone who has limited power over a huge entity? I say no, you say yes

But I say our President should have NO power over America as an entity.
He is an elected official that answers to the people.
That is why this debate started. You feel he has the right to fly to NY for personal reasons at the expense of the taxpayer.
I feel he has the responsibility to ask the taxpayer for permission as we are his employer.
Now...dont get me wrong...I do not mean it as he has to "ask permission"....Permission is a given...but when he tells us we are to tighten our belts....and his VP says we should all take in less and give to the government more and be american....he needs to realize that the American people, IF ASKED...would NOT have given him permission to spend all kinds of money top fly to NY for dinner.
So, I guess my complaint is that he did not feel the need to use discretion as it pertains to his use of tax payer money...and it concerns me when an elected official has that "arrogance" (for lack of a better term)...

And yes...we do have some pretty interesting debates.....and I enjoy them.

Thanks.

Look...Do we expect the President to take a Greyhound Bus next time he wants to go to NYC?
The point is, if the President goes out for pizza in DC, it costs money. Security, traffic control, coordination.
The answer is not to nitpick every time the President chooses to go somewhere. How much did it cost for Bush to go to China to watch the Olympics?
I personally do not care. He was the President and has a right to go where he chooses

The constant nitpicking every time Obama boards Air Force One shows how shallow the right wing opposition has become
 
I enjoy debating you oldandtired....a change from the usual profane namecalling

I think our difference is the old big fish in a small pond analogy.

Is someone who has absolute power over a small entity more powerful than someone who has limited power over a huge entity? I say no, you say yes

But I say our President should have NO power over America as an entity.
He is an elected official that answers to the people.
That is why this debate started. You feel he has the right to fly to NY for personal reasons at the expense of the taxpayer.
I feel he has the responsibility to ask the taxpayer for permission as we are his employer.
Now...dont get me wrong...I do not mean it as he has to "ask permission"....Permission is a given...but when he tells us we are to tighten our belts....and his VP says we should all take in less and give to the government more and be american....he needs to realize that the American people, IF ASKED...would NOT have given him permission to spend all kinds of money top fly to NY for dinner.
So, I guess my complaint is that he did not feel the need to use discretion as it pertains to his use of tax payer money...and it concerns me when an elected official has that "arrogance" (for lack of a better term)...

And yes...we do have some pretty interesting debates.....and I enjoy them.

Thanks.

Look...Do we expect the President to take a Greyhound Bus next time he wants to go to NYC?
The point is, if the President goes out for pizza in DC, it costs money. Security, traffic control, coordination.
The answer is not to nitpick every time the President chooses to go somewhere. How much did it cost for Bush to go to China to watch the Olympics?
I personally do not care. He was the President and has a right to go where he chooses

The constant nitpicking every time Obama boards Air Force One shows how shallow the right wing opposition has become

You spun my complaint. My complaint has nothing to do with the use of Air Force 1.
My complaint was his "poo-pooing" the outrage...and no concern of the outrage.
He did not go for pizza...he flew to NY for dinner and a show.
Curious...if your neighbor told you that he flew somewhere for dinner and a show and flew back that same night...duiring a recession....and you were unemplyed at the time...wouldnt you say to yourself "wow...what a waste of money?"

Well...it was a wasste of money. He could have had a nice dinner in DC and a show in DC.
 
But I say our President should have NO power over America as an entity.
He is an elected official that answers to the people.
That is why this debate started. You feel he has the right to fly to NY for personal reasons at the expense of the taxpayer.
I feel he has the responsibility to ask the taxpayer for permission as we are his employer.
Now...dont get me wrong...I do not mean it as he has to "ask permission"....Permission is a given...but when he tells us we are to tighten our belts....and his VP says we should all take in less and give to the government more and be american....he needs to realize that the American people, IF ASKED...would NOT have given him permission to spend all kinds of money top fly to NY for dinner.
So, I guess my complaint is that he did not feel the need to use discretion as it pertains to his use of tax payer money...and it concerns me when an elected official has that "arrogance" (for lack of a better term)...

And yes...we do have some pretty interesting debates.....and I enjoy them.

Thanks.

Look...Do we expect the President to take a Greyhound Bus next time he wants to go to NYC?
The point is, if the President goes out for pizza in DC, it costs money. Security, traffic control, coordination.
The answer is not to nitpick every time the President chooses to go somewhere. How much did it cost for Bush to go to China to watch the Olympics?
I personally do not care. He was the President and has a right to go where he chooses

The constant nitpicking every time Obama boards Air Force One shows how shallow the right wing opposition has become

You spun my complaint. My complaint has nothing to do with the use of Air Force 1.
My complaint was his "poo-pooing" the outrage...and no concern of the outrage.
He did not go for pizza...he flew to NY for dinner and a show.
Curious...if your neighbor told you that he flew somewhere for dinner and a show and flew back that same night...duiring a recession....and you were unemplyed at the time...wouldnt you say to yourself "wow...what a waste of money?"

Well...it was a wasste of money. He could have had a nice dinner in DC and a show in DC.

I go to NY quite frequently with my wife. I , however do not require a security escort and team of special agents to ensure my security.
I do not fault the President for enjoying the same privleges I do

Case in point. FDR took many vacations with his wife during the Depression. And yes there were starving, homeless people while they ate out.

My original point stands.

Given the precidents of other administrations, the trips that Obama has taken are well within existing boundaries.

The constant whining, every time Air Force One gets fired up just shows how shallow the political opposition is.
 
"The constant whining, every time Air Force One gets fired up just shows how shallow the political opposition is." - rightwinger

It stinks to be held up to the standards you set for businesses in financial trouble huh? Then there is the whole green issue of Air Force One and the HUGE supporting cast it takes.
 
Look...Do we expect the President to take a Greyhound Bus next time he wants to go to NYC?
The point is, if the President goes out for pizza in DC, it costs money. Security, traffic control, coordination.
The answer is not to nitpick every time the President chooses to go somewhere. How much did it cost for Bush to go to China to watch the Olympics?
I personally do not care. He was the President and has a right to go where he chooses

The constant nitpicking every time Obama boards Air Force One shows how shallow the right wing opposition has become

You spun my complaint. My complaint has nothing to do with the use of Air Force 1.
My complaint was his "poo-pooing" the outrage...and no concern of the outrage.
He did not go for pizza...he flew to NY for dinner and a show.
Curious...if your neighbor told you that he flew somewhere for dinner and a show and flew back that same night...duiring a recession....and you were unemplyed at the time...wouldnt you say to yourself "wow...what a waste of money?"

Well...it was a wasste of money. He could have had a nice dinner in DC and a show in DC.

I go to NY quite frequently with my wife. I , however do not require a security escort and team of special agents to ensure my security.
I do not fault the President for enjoying the same privleges I do

Case in point. FDR took many vacations with his wife during the Depression. And yes there were starving, homeless people while they ate out.

My original point stands.

Given the precidents of other administrations, the trips that Obama has taken are well within existing boundaries.

The constant whining, every time Air Force One gets fired up just shows how shallow the political opposition is.

I am part of the political opposition and I am far from shallow.
But I know you know that already.
Have a great weekend.

Al
 
Look...Do we expect the President to take a Greyhound Bus next time he wants to go to NYC?
The point is, if the President goes out for pizza in DC, it costs money. Security, traffic control, coordination.
The answer is not to nitpick every time the President chooses to go somewhere. How much did it cost for Bush to go to China to watch the Olympics?
I personally do not care. He was the President and has a right to go where he chooses

The constant nitpicking every time Obama boards Air Force One shows how shallow the right wing opposition has become

You spun my complaint. My complaint has nothing to do with the use of Air Force 1.
My complaint was his "poo-pooing" the outrage...and no concern of the outrage.
He did not go for pizza...he flew to NY for dinner and a show.
Curious...if your neighbor told you that he flew somewhere for dinner and a show and flew back that same night...duiring a recession....and you were unemplyed at the time...wouldnt you say to yourself "wow...what a waste of money?"

Well...it was a wasste of money. He could have had a nice dinner in DC and a show in DC.

I go to NY quite frequently with my wife. I , however do not require a security escort and team of special agents to ensure my security.
I do not fault the President for enjoying the same privleges I do

Case in point. FDR took many vacations with his wife during the Depression. And yes there were starving, homeless people while they ate out.

My original point stands.

Given the precidents of other administrations, the trips that Obama has taken are well within existing boundaries.

The constant whining, every time Air Force One gets fired up just shows how shallow the political opposition is.


You're an ignorant hypocrite, it's really that simple........ just like the asshole you helped elect as a figurehead President.
 
You spun my complaint. My complaint has nothing to do with the use of Air Force 1.
My complaint was his "poo-pooing" the outrage...and no concern of the outrage.
He did not go for pizza...he flew to NY for dinner and a show.
Curious...if your neighbor told you that he flew somewhere for dinner and a show and flew back that same night...duiring a recession....and you were unemplyed at the time...wouldnt you say to yourself "wow...what a waste of money?"

Well...it was a wasste of money. He could have had a nice dinner in DC and a show in DC.

I go to NY quite frequently with my wife. I , however do not require a security escort and team of special agents to ensure my security.
I do not fault the President for enjoying the same privleges I do

Case in point. FDR took many vacations with his wife during the Depression. And yes there were starving, homeless people while they ate out.

My original point stands.

Given the precidents of other administrations, the trips that Obama has taken are well within existing boundaries.

The constant whining, every time Air Force One gets fired up just shows how shallow the political opposition is.


You're an ignorant hypocrite, it's really that simple........ just like the asshole you helped elect as a figurehead President.

LOL..
Thats the best you can come up with to recant what I wrote?
What a lightweight
 

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