Remember how the Arctic Ice Cap is shrinking?

Just a unscientific observation, did it ever occur to our pro AGW advocates that if the ice does not melt or retreat some of the time, and if it otherwise continues to get thicker and more expansive all of the time, that we would eventually all be up to our hoo has in ice over both the northern and southern hemispheres?
As an "unscientific" observer, operating in complete ignorance of all of the scientific research that has been done on this matter, you should just assume right off the bat that everything that "occurs" to your uninformed little mind (or that is spooned into it by the fossil fuel industry propagandists) has already been studied and analyzed by the highly educated and experienced scientists who have studied this subject full time for decades.

Over the last two and a half millions years, due to natural factors, polar ice has repeatedly (about 7 times) expanded enormously to cover most of North America during periods that are called "glaciations", and it has repeatedly shrunk back to something like its present extent during periods that are called "inter-glacials". The Earth is currently in one of those inter-glacial periods that has now lasted for about the last ten thousand years. The natural cycle of things caused by orbital dynamics would see the Earth in a gradually cooling phase now, leading up to another period of intense glaciation tens of thousands of years from now. What has happened instead is that mankind's activities, primarily the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation, have reversed the natural trend and substituted an un-natural abrupt warming trend that is pushing the Earth's climate systems towards temperature extremes not seen in millions of years.

We haven't been tracking arctic ice for all that long because we have only had the capability to do so for 34 years.
Your knowledge of both this issue and science in general seems miniscule and very incomplete.

Thirty four years is but a teensy tick in the history of the arctic ice, so we honestly don't know how many times the arctic ice has significantly retreated and advanced over open water in the billions of years it has existed.
You base your conclusions on your own ignorance, not reality. We don't need to have billions of years of data to understand what is happening. Scientists actually have hundreds of thousands of years of good proxie data on past climate conditions that fits together in a pretty coherent picture of the forces and factors at play in past climate changes. The experts are not as ignorant about this as your own ignorance projects them to be. Scientists have analyzed the various things involved in all of these past climate shifts and those things are not happening now. The only thing consistent with the laws of physics that can explain the current abrupt warming is the rapid 40% (and still rising fast) increase in atmospheric CO2 levels that human activities has created.

Reconstructed changes in Arctic sea ice over the past 1,450 years
NATURE

Published: 23 November 2011
Abstract (excerpts)
Arctic sea ice extent is now more than two million square kilometres less than it was in the late twentieth century, with important consequences for the climate, the ocean and traditional lifestyles in the Arctic(1, 2). Although observations show a more or less continuous decline for the past four or five decades(3, 4), there are few long-term records with which to assess natural sea ice variability. Until now, the question of whether or not current trends are potentially anomalous(5) has therefore remained unanswerable. Here we use a network of high-resolution terrestrial proxies from the circum-Arctic region to reconstruct past extents of summer sea ice, and show that—although extensive uncertainties remain, especially before the sixteenth century—both the duration and magnitude of the current decline in sea ice seem to be unprecedented for the past 1,450 years. These results reinforce the assertion that sea ice is an active component of Arctic climate variability and that the recent decrease in summer Arctic sea ice is consistent with anthropogenically forced warming.


Certainly 34 years is not sufficient to merit massive mandatory social changes.
And here you reveal that because you are ignorant of (and probably uninterested in) the actual scientific facts that indicate that our world is facing a severe crisis, you really base your objections to the scientific conclusions about the Arctic ice loss on your political fears, whipped up by some clever propaganda, that you might be faced with some (very necessary) changes to our energy infrastructure and possibly your current way of doing things. Or in other words, you've been fooled into being a stooge for the continued profits of the fossil fuel industry.

Just a suggestion, little dude - try learning more about this subject from good sources of accurate scientific information instead of the rightwingnut media echo chamber and astro-turfed blogs before you make a fool of yourself on here again.

Well BIG DUDE, since you seem to think I have not studied the subject sufficiently, and you have no clue what I have or have not studied, but you have nothing more to contradict my take on it other than a string of juvenile personal insults, I'll just thank you for your opinion (of me) and say this before moving on:

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CO2 is the 98 pound weakling, the Sun kicks sands its face and walks off with the ice caps

Still spewing mindless nonsense, eh CrazyFruitcake? It's really too bad your head managed to get so irremovably wedged up your asshole like that.

Do you have a "CO2 rocks the Ice Caps!" T-shirt?

Warmers are a cult

"Sometimes, they are afraid to know the truth --
They fear that their world will fall apart if they stop believing certain things, or admit the truth of other things. That is one of the beliefs with which they got programmed — the idea that if they don't believe the right things, they will go to Hell, or they will lose their ticket to Heaven, or something else really bad will happen to them. One of the things that cults do is implant phobias about leaving the cult, or learning the truth about the cult."

How To Deprogram Your Own Mind
 
CO2 is the 98 pound weakling, the Sun kicks sands its face and walks off with the ice caps

Still spewing mindless nonsense, eh CrazyFruitcake? It's really too bad your head managed to get so irremovably wedged up your asshole like that.
Warmers are a cult

"Sometimes, they are afraid to know the truth --
They fear that their world will fall apart if they stop believing certain things, or admit the truth of other things. That is one of the beliefs with which they got programmed — the idea that if they don't believe the right things, they will go to Hell, or they will lose their ticket to Heaven, or something else really bad will happen to them. One of the things that cults do is implant phobias about leaving the cult, or learning the truth about the cult."

Oh CrazyFruitcake, as usual you've got it ass backwards. The real story here is that you ignorant and retarded AGW deniers are a sort of ad hoc cult, astro-turfed and sponsored by the fossil fuel industry. This quote you pulled up totally applies to you and your fellow dupes and stooges in the AGW denial cult.

"Sometimes, they are afraid to know the truth --
They fear that their world will fall apart if they stop believing certain things, or admit the truth of other things. That is one of the beliefs with which they got programmed — the idea that if they don't believe the right things, they will go to Hell, or they will lose their ticket to Heaven, or something else really bad will happen to them. One of the things that cults do is implant phobias about leaving the cult, or learning the truth about the cult."
 
Just a unscientific observation, did it ever occur to our pro AGW advocates that if the ice does not melt or retreat some of the time, and if it otherwise continues to get thicker and more expansive all of the time, that we would eventually all be up to our hoo has in ice over both the northern and southern hemispheres?
As an "unscientific" observer, operating in complete ignorance of all of the scientific research that has been done on this matter, you should just assume right off the bat that everything that "occurs" to your uninformed little mind (or that is spooned into it by the fossil fuel industry propagandists) has already been studied and analyzed by the highly educated and experienced scientists who have studied this subject full time for decades.

Over the last two and a half millions years, due to natural factors, polar ice has repeatedly (about 7 times) expanded enormously to cover most of North America during periods that are called "glaciations", and it has repeatedly shrunk back to something like its present extent during periods that are called "inter-glacials". The Earth is currently in one of those inter-glacial periods that has now lasted for about the last ten thousand years. The natural cycle of things caused by orbital dynamics would see the Earth in a gradually cooling phase now, leading up to another period of intense glaciation tens of thousands of years from now. What has happened instead is that mankind's activities, primarily the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation, have reversed the natural trend and substituted an un-natural abrupt warming trend that is pushing the Earth's climate systems towards temperature extremes not seen in millions of years.


Your knowledge of both this issue and science in general seems miniscule and very incomplete.


You base your conclusions on your own ignorance, not reality. We don't need to have billions of years of data to understand what is happening. Scientists actually have hundreds of thousands of years of good proxie data on past climate conditions that fits together in a pretty coherent picture of the forces and factors at play in past climate changes. The experts are not as ignorant about this as your own ignorance projects them to be. Scientists have analyzed the various things involved in all of these past climate shifts and those things are not happening now. The only thing consistent with the laws of physics that can explain the current abrupt warming is the rapid 40% (and still rising fast) increase in atmospheric CO2 levels that human activities has created.

Reconstructed changes in Arctic sea ice over the past 1,450 years
NATURE

Published: 23 November 2011
Abstract (excerpts)
Arctic sea ice extent is now more than two million square kilometres less than it was in the late twentieth century, with important consequences for the climate, the ocean and traditional lifestyles in the Arctic(1, 2). Although observations show a more or less continuous decline for the past four or five decades(3, 4), there are few long-term records with which to assess natural sea ice variability. Until now, the question of whether or not current trends are potentially anomalous(5) has therefore remained unanswerable. Here we use a network of high-resolution terrestrial proxies from the circum-Arctic region to reconstruct past extents of summer sea ice, and show that—although extensive uncertainties remain, especially before the sixteenth century—both the duration and magnitude of the current decline in sea ice seem to be unprecedented for the past 1,450 years. These results reinforce the assertion that sea ice is an active component of Arctic climate variability and that the recent decrease in summer Arctic sea ice is consistent with anthropogenically forced warming.


Certainly 34 years is not sufficient to merit massive mandatory social changes.
And here you reveal that because you are ignorant of (and probably uninterested in) the actual scientific facts that indicate that our world is facing a severe crisis, you really base your objections to the scientific conclusions about the Arctic ice loss on your political fears, whipped up by some clever propaganda, that you might be faced with some (very necessary) changes to our energy infrastructure and possibly your current way of doing things. Or in other words, you've been fooled into being a stooge for the continued profits of the fossil fuel industry.

Just a suggestion, little dude - try learning more about this subject from good sources of accurate scientific information instead of the rightwingnut media echo chamber and astro-turfed blogs before you make a fool of yourself on here again.

Well BIG DUDE, since you seem to think I have not studied the subject sufficiently, and you have no clue what I have or have not studied,
You really are hard core crazy, aren't you? Of course everybody has a clue as to what you have studied and that clue is the abject ignorance displayed in your posts. You can't fake it, little idiot.




but you have nothing more to contradict my take on it other than a string of juvenile personal insults,
So.....you can't even comprehend what you read, eh. I explained the errors in your assumptions and posted some excerpts from a scientific study that demolishes your ignorant belief that scientists have only "34 years" worth of data about the polar ice to work with.

As I said, Fauxfyre, try educating yourself with some actual scientific information about the subject or you will always, as you are now, come off as a completely ignorant shithead who is only arguing because of his/her politics and his/her stupidity.
 
Still spewing mindless nonsense, eh CrazyFruitcake? It's really too bad your head managed to get so irremovably wedged up your asshole like that.
Warmers are a cult

"Sometimes, they are afraid to know the truth --
They fear that their world will fall apart if they stop believing certain things, or admit the truth of other things. That is one of the beliefs with which they got programmed — the idea that if they don't believe the right things, they will go to Hell, or they will lose their ticket to Heaven, or something else really bad will happen to them. One of the things that cults do is implant phobias about leaving the cult, or learning the truth about the cult."

Oh CrazyFruitcake, as usual you've got it ass backwards. The real story here is that you ignorant and retarded AGW deniers are a sort of ad hoc cult, astro-turfed and sponsored by the fossil fuel industry. This quote you pulled up totally applies to you and your fellow dupes and stooges in the AGW denial cult.

"Sometimes, they are afraid to know the truth --
They fear that their world will fall apart if they stop believing certain things, or admit the truth of other things. That is one of the beliefs with which they got programmed — the idea that if they don't believe the right things, they will go to Hell, or they will lose their ticket to Heaven, or something else really bad will happen to them. One of the things that cults do is implant phobias about leaving the cult, or learning the truth about the cult."

No we were here first asshole...the global warming bullshit started with the inventor of the internet...AlGore...you know that crazy bastard that had eletric bills totalling about $30,000 to $40K per year just to run his household down in Tennessee, about the same time he made that fairy tale movie? And then he started up his "new carbon credits business" to dupe dumbshits like yourself into paying him money for dumping too much carbon dioxide into the air. What a scammer that sorry SoB is. We anti-global warming believers were already around. We looked just like you except we weren't retarded.
 
I love this thread.

Now would some...any...just one of you chicken littleshits explain to us global warming doubters just why this GD ice melted (see YouTube below), then refroze, then melted again...twice in the last 100,000 years (last time 25,000 years ago) when there were NO AIRPLANES, NO AUTOMOBILES, NO SMOKE BELCHING FACTORIES, NO SEVEN BILLION PEOPLE, NO FARTING DINOSAURS, NO WORLD WARS AND NO PRIEUSes running around on top of the icecap?

OH YEAH...NO OIL COMPANIES.

Your attention to this matter will be the object of much derision. Thank You!

The Last Ice Age (120 000 years ago to Modern) - YouTube

Where have you been for the last 50 years, boy? In some deep and dark hollow? Try using that thing you are typing your abysmal ignorance on, and google Milankovic.
 
Just a unscientific observation, did it ever occur to our pro AGW advocates that if the ice does not melt or retreat some of the time, and if it otherwise continues to get thicker and more expansive all of the time, that we would eventually all be up to our hoo has in ice over both the northern and southern hemispheres? We haven't been tracking arctic ice for all that long because we have only had the capability to do so for 34 years. Thirty four years is but a teensy tick in the history of the arctic ice, so we honestly don't know how many times the arctic ice has significantly retreated and advanced over open water in the billions of years it has existed.

Certainly 34 years is not sufficient to merit massive mandatory social changes.

We have, through proxy data, one hell of a lot more than 34 years worth of data. And by the time the consequences are bad enough for those of you in denial to advocate action, that action is going to be useless. And the social changes you are squaling about will seem mighty pale in comparison with the ones we are going to have to make to deal with the consequences of the willfull ignorance of our society.
 
Warmers are a cult

"Sometimes, they are afraid to know the truth --
They fear that their world will fall apart if they stop believing certain things, or admit the truth of other things. That is one of the beliefs with which they got programmed — the idea that if they don't believe the right things, they will go to Hell, or they will lose their ticket to Heaven, or something else really bad will happen to them. One of the things that cults do is implant phobias about leaving the cult, or learning the truth about the cult."

Oh CrazyFruitcake, as usual you've got it ass backwards. The real story here is that you ignorant and retarded AGW deniers are a sort of ad hoc cult, astro-turfed and sponsored by the fossil fuel industry. This quote you pulled up totally applies to you and your fellow dupes and stooges in the AGW denial cult.

"Sometimes, they are afraid to know the truth --
They fear that their world will fall apart if they stop believing certain things, or admit the truth of other things. That is one of the beliefs with which they got programmed — the idea that if they don't believe the right things, they will go to Hell, or they will lose their ticket to Heaven, or something else really bad will happen to them. One of the things that cults do is implant phobias about leaving the cult, or learning the truth about the cult."

No we were here first asshole...the global warming bullshit started with the inventor of the internet...AlGore...you know that crazy bastard that had eletric bills totalling about $30,000 to $40K per year just to run his household down in Tennessee, about the same time he made that fairy tale movie? And then he started up his "new carbon credits business" to dupe dumbshits like yourself into paying him money for dumping too much carbon dioxide into the air. What a scammer that sorry SoB is. We anti-global warming believers were already around. We looked just like you except we weren't retarded.

Lordy, lordy. The more they come, the stupider they get.

Look, you flap yap ignoramous, the physics of global warming was establishe by Tyndall in 1858. In 1896, Arrhenious did the first quantative analysis of the effect of CO2, and came up with numbers very similiar to those that we get today with far more complete data.

All Al Gore did was to put what the scientists have been trying to tell us for many decades into layman's terms. And a very good job he did.
 
Warmers are a cult

"Sometimes, they are afraid to know the truth --
They fear that their world will fall apart if they stop believing certain things, or admit the truth of other things. That is one of the beliefs with which they got programmed — the idea that if they don't believe the right things, they will go to Hell, or they will lose their ticket to Heaven, or something else really bad will happen to them. One of the things that cults do is implant phobias about leaving the cult, or learning the truth about the cult."

Oh CrazyFruitcake, as usual you've got it ass backwards. The real story here is that you ignorant and retarded AGW deniers are a sort of ad hoc cult, astro-turfed and sponsored by the fossil fuel industry. This quote you pulled up totally applies to you and your fellow dupes and stooges in the AGW denial cult.

"Sometimes, they are afraid to know the truth --
They fear that their world will fall apart if they stop believing certain things, or admit the truth of other things. That is one of the beliefs with which they got programmed — the idea that if they don't believe the right things, they will go to Hell, or they will lose their ticket to Heaven, or something else really bad will happen to them. One of the things that cults do is implant phobias about leaving the cult, or learning the truth about the cult."

No we were here first asshole...the global warming bullshit started with the inventor of the internet...AlGore...you know that crazy bastard that had eletric bills totalling about $30,000 to $40K per year just to run his household down in Tennessee, about the same time he made that fairy tale movie? And then he started up his "new carbon credits business" to dupe dumbshits like yourself into paying him money for dumping too much carbon dioxide into the air. What a scammer that sorry SoB is. We anti-global warming believers were already around. We looked just like you except we weren't retarded.

LOLOLOLOLOL. Just more ignorant denier cult drivel and bullshit, you poor confused and deluded retard.

I know that you are very probably far too brainwashed and retarded to understand this material and you probably have the attention span of a fruit-fly so reading something this long and complicated may well be totally beyond your capacities but I'll offer it anyway since it would cure a good part of your ignorance if you did manage to understand it.

The Discovery of Global Warming
A hypertext history of how scientists came to (partly) understand what people are doing to cause climate change.

December 2011
 
I love this thread.

Now would some...any...just one of you chicken littleshits explain to us global warming doubters just why this GD ice melted (see YouTube below), then refroze, then melted again...twice in the last 100,000 years (last time 25,000 years ago) when there were NO AIRPLANES, NO AUTOMOBILES, NO SMOKE BELCHING FACTORIES, NO SEVEN BILLION PEOPLE, NO FARTING DINOSAURS, NO WORLD WARS AND NO PRIEUSes running around on top of the icecap?

OH YEAH...NO OIL COMPANIES.

Your attention to this matter will be the object of much derision. Thank You!

The Last Ice Age (120 000 years ago to Modern) - YouTube

Where have you been for the last 50 years, boy? In some deep and dark hollow? Try using that thing you are typing your abysmal ignorance on, and google Milankovic.

I've been living right here in the St. Louis area for 61 of my 70 years junior. I have absolutely no interest in googling Milankovic or any proponent of global warming. So if you have something to say, spit it out sonny boy. Meanwhile, what your trying to tell me is that you don't believe that gw bullshit either...and you can take your abysmal egghead intelligence and shove it up your abysmal egghead ass...side ways, you sorry bastard.
 
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I've been living right here in the St. Louis area for 61 of my 70 years junior. I have absolutely no interest in googling Milankovic or any proponent of global warming. So if you have something to say, spit it out sonny boy. Meanwhile, what your trying to tell me is that you don't believe that gw bullshit either...and you can take your abysmal egghead intelligence and shove it up your abysmal egghead ass...side ways, you sorry bastard.

So, in other words, you're not only severely retarded, Quantumofstupidity, you're also very jealous of your intellectual superiors (which would be just about everybody). Too bad you're such a retard but that is not our fault. Blame your parents for your genes or for maybe dropping you on your head so much when you were a baby.
 
Just a unscientific observation, did it ever occur to our pro AGW advocates that if the ice does not melt or retreat some of the time, and if it otherwise continues to get thicker and more expansive all of the time, that we would eventually all be up to our hoo has in ice over both the northern and southern hemispheres? We haven't been tracking arctic ice for all that long because we have only had the capability to do so for 34 years. Thirty four years is but a teensy tick in the history of the arctic ice, so we honestly don't know how many times the arctic ice has significantly retreated and advanced over open water in the billions of years it has existed.

Certainly 34 years is not sufficient to merit massive mandatory social changes.

We have, through proxy data, one hell of a lot more than 34 years worth of data. And by the time the consequences are bad enough for those of you in denial to advocate action, that action is going to be useless. And the social changes you are squaling about will seem mighty pale in comparison with the ones we are going to have to make to deal with the consequences of the willfull ignorance of our society.

Is this the new world order asshole? Sounds like damned threat to me. You might have those willfully ignorant people kicking your asses global warming boy.
 
I love this thread.

Now would some...any...just one of you chicken littleshits explain to us global warming doubters just why this GD ice melted (see YouTube below), then refroze, then melted again...twice in the last 100,000 years (last time 25,000 years ago) when there were NO AIRPLANES, NO AUTOMOBILES, NO SMOKE BELCHING FACTORIES, NO SEVEN BILLION PEOPLE, NO FARTING DINOSAURS, NO WORLD WARS AND NO PRIEUSes running around on top of the icecap?

OH YEAH...NO OIL COMPANIES.

Your attention to this matter will be the object of much derision. Thank You!

The Last Ice Age (120 000 years ago to Modern) - YouTube

Where have you been for the last 50 years, boy? In some deep and dark hollow? Try using that thing you are typing your abysmal ignorance on, and google Milankovic.

I've been living right here in the St. Louis area for 61 of my 70 years junior. I have absolutely no interest in googling Milankovic or any proponent of global warming. So if you have something to say, spit it out sonny boy. Meanwhile, what your trying to tell me is that you don't believe that gw bullshit either...and you can take your abysmal egghead intelligence and shove it up your abysmal egghead ass...side ways, you sorry bastard.

See Qantrill -- The warmers CAN'T muck with Ice Age data. So they ADMIT all that was natural causes (both earth orbital dynamics and solar increase). And the CO2 levels were amazingly in sync with the Ice Ages temperatures. One prob tho.. The fluctuating CO2 FOLLOWED the temperature as much as coincided with the temp changes.

So when OldieRocks quotes Milankovic cycles -- he's basically tossing in the towel and saying that all that Climate history was perfectly natural before man started to burn fossil fuels.. Including the periods where the CO2 concentrations were 10 times higher than they are today --- and there is no evidence of oceans boiling off or dinosaurs being pestered by killer hurricanes and devastation.

Far as I can tell --- you should be able to take him.. But be aware his nurses want him back in his room by 7PM..
 
Just a unscientific observation, did it ever occur to our pro AGW advocates that if the ice does not melt or retreat some of the time, and if it otherwise continues to get thicker and more expansive all of the time, that we would eventually all be up to our hoo has in ice over both the northern and southern hemispheres? We haven't been tracking arctic ice for all that long because we have only had the capability to do so for 34 years. Thirty four years is but a teensy tick in the history of the arctic ice, so we honestly don't know how many times the arctic ice has significantly retreated and advanced over open water in the billions of years it has existed.

Certainly 34 years is not sufficient to merit massive mandatory social changes.

We have, through proxy data, one hell of a lot more than 34 years worth of data. And by the time the consequences are bad enough for those of you in denial to advocate action, that action is going to be useless. And the social changes you are squaling about will seem mighty pale in comparison with the ones we are going to have to make to deal with the consequences of the willfull ignorance of our society.

We have had satellite imaging for only 34 years. Anarctica is easier to research because there are permanent ice cores there to pull out and test. There is no such permanency to ice floating on ocean and it leaves no tracks or permanent record. And while we can detect periods of warming and cooling in general by studying vegetation and permafrost, prior to 1978 there was insufficient human activity on the arctic ice to know what was happening in all areas of it as satellites can now observe. So we don't know how often there was new and thinner ice subject to dismantling by the savage arctic storms. The Bering Sea is famous for its strong winds and tumultous seas--watch "Deadliest Catch" sometimes on the Discovery Channel. Hurricane conditions are not unheard of and the ice pack is constantly moving and can drag their crab pots long distances if they get too close to it.

Since we have had roads across the Arctic ice which dates back to the 1930's and 40's and 50's, the truckers who haul supplies across the ice know that there is a fairly short season that the ice is thick enough to support the weight of fully loaded semis. Other ice roads are restricted to lighter loads as the ice is never dependable to be strong enough to support heavier weights.

There is no doubt that recent summer ice melt in the arctic is greater now than when they first started observing it. But again, we've only been observing that for 34 years. At the same time we are observing no such dramatic melt off in Anarctica. There some ice is generally receding while other is advancing with no overall loss of mass. No doubt the day is coming when the Arctic region will be colder for longer periods and the ice will thicken up and become more permanent and probably we will observe more melt in Anarctica which will no doubt trigger panic in some scientific communities.

But there's also a pretty good chance that these cycles have been going on for millions and millions of years. Thirty four years isn't even as much as an eye blink within the larger picture.
 
I've been living right here in the St. Louis area for 61 of my 70 years junior. I have absolutely no interest in googling Milankovic or any proponent of global warming. So if you have something to say, spit it out sonny boy. Meanwhile, what your trying to tell me is that you don't believe that gw bullshit either...and you can take your abysmal egghead intelligence and shove it up your abysmal egghead ass...side ways, you sorry bastard.

So, in other words, you're not only severely retarded, Quantumofstupidity, you're also very jealous of your intellectual superiors (which would be just about everybody). Too bad you're such a retard but that is not our fault. Blame your parents for your genes or for maybe dropping you on your head so much when you were a baby.

So in other words I'm really not interested in what Dr. Frankenstein has to say. If this planet explodes tomorrow or in another billion years neither one of you geniuses will be around to say I told you so. So why get your edumacated bowels locked up over it. The fact remains that what happens every 25,000 years or so will continue to happen NO MATTER WHAT YOU TWO BRAINIACS think you know. SCREW YOU.
 
See Qantrill -- The warmers CAN'T muck with Ice Age data. So they ADMIT all that was natural causes (both earth orbital dynamics and solar increase). And the CO2 levels were amazingly in sync with the Ice Ages temperatures. One prob tho.. The fluctuating CO2 FOLLOWED the temperature as much as coincided with the temp changes.
You are such a hypocritical retard, fecalhead. Your denier cult myths get debunked and you just keep on repeating them. I already dealt with this particular nonsense in post #55 of this thread.

Research breakthrough: CO2 rises caused warming that ended last ice age
By Tierney Smith
4 April 2012
(excerpts)
Compelling new evidence suggests that rising CO2 caused much of the global warming responsible for ending the last ice age. The study, published in Nature, confirms what scientists have believed for sometime, and further supports the view that current rises in human-driven CO2 will lead to more global warming. “CO2 was a big part of bringing the world out of the last Ice Age and it took about 10,000 years to do it,” said Jeremy Shakun from Harvard University and lead-author of the report. “Now CO2 levels are rising again, but this time an equivalent increase of CO2 has occurred in only about 200 years, and there are clear signs that the planet is already beginning to respond. While many of the details of future climate change remain to be figured out, our study bolsters the consensus view that rising CO2 will lead to more global warming.”

While previous studies only compared carbon dioxide levels to local temperatures in Antarctica, the current study aimed to reconstruct global average temperature changes, using 80 core samples from around the world. Looking only at local temperatures in Antarctica, warming appears to precede rising CO2, an argument often adopted by sceptics to disprove carbon dioxide’s role in global warming. Shakun however, says this is leaving a huge gap in the research.
Putting all these records together into a reconstruction of global temperature shows "a beautiful correlation with rising CO2 at the end of the Ice Age,” said Shakun. “Even more interesting, while CO2 trails Antarctica warming, it actually precedes global temperature change, which is what you would expect if CO2 is causing warming.”



Global warming preceded by increasing carbon dioxide concentrations during the last deglaciation
Nature
484, 49–54 (05 April 2012) doi:10.1038/nature10915
Jeremy D. Shakun, Peter U. Clark, Feng He, Shaun A. Marcott, Alan C. Mix, Zhengyu Liu, Bette Otto-Bliesner, Andreas Schmittner & Edouard Bard
Published online 04 April 2012
(Abstract)

The covariation of carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration and temperature in Antarctic ice-core records suggests a close link between CO2 and climate during the Pleistocene ice ages. The role and relative importance of CO2 in producing these climate changes remains unclear, however, in part because the ice-core deuterium record reflects local rather than global temperature. Here we construct a record of global surface temperature from 80 proxy records and show that temperature is correlated with and generally lags CO2 during the last (that is, the most recent) deglaciation. Differences between the respective temperature changes of the Northern Hemisphere and Southern Hemisphere parallel variations in the strength of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation recorded in marine sediments. These observations, together with transient global climate model simulations, support the conclusion that an antiphased hemispheric temperature response to ocean circulation changes superimposed on globally in-phase warming driven by increasing CO2 concentrations is an explanation for much of the temperature change at the end of the most recent ice age.







So when OldieRocks quotes Milankovic cycles -- he's basically tossing in the towel
In your dreams, you pitiful delusional retard.





and saying that all that Climate history was perfectly natural before man started to burn fossil fuels.. Including the periods where the CO2 concentrations were 10 times higher than they are today --- and there is no evidence of oceans boiling off or dinosaurs being pestered by killer hurricanes and devastation.
If you weren't such an ignorant asshole, fecalhead, you might be aware of the fact that when CO2 concentrations were that much higher, the sun's energy output was somewhat lower, so it balanced out. But that would require you to actually know something about the subject instead of just parroting denier cult drivel and pseudo-science off of denier cult blogs and fossil fuel industry front group websites.
 
I've been living right here in the St. Louis area for 61 of my 70 years junior. I have absolutely no interest in googling Milankovic or any proponent of global warming. So if you have something to say, spit it out sonny boy. Meanwhile, what your trying to tell me is that you don't believe that gw bullshit either...and you can take your abysmal egghead intelligence and shove it up your abysmal egghead ass...side ways, you sorry bastard.

So, in other words, you're not only severely retarded, Quantumofstupidity, you're also very jealous of your intellectual superiors (which would be just about everybody). Too bad you're such a retard but that is not our fault. Blame your parents for your genes or for maybe dropping you on your head so much when you were a baby.

So in other words I'm really not interested in what Dr. Frankenstein has to say. If this planet explodes tomorrow or in another billion years neither one of you geniuses will be around to say I told you so. So why get your edumacated bowels locked up over it. The fact remains that what happens every 25,000 years or so will continue to happen NO MATTER WHAT YOU TWO BRAINIACS think you know. SCREW YOU.

Lordy, what a stupid fuck you have shown yourself to be. OK, boy, I was born in '43. Done 40 years as an industrial millwright, and ten years on other things, that include a dd214 that says Honorable. And have taken Univesity courses over the years, in fact, still taking them. Three of the last four years, I have just barely cracked six figures on income. And am still working as a millwright in a steel mill. Upper middle class earner, blue collar liberal, and I research before posting.

The fact that you are too lazy to do the same says all one has to know concerning your intellect and honesty.
 
Oh CrazyFruitcake, as usual you've got it ass backwards. The real story here is that you ignorant and retarded AGW deniers are a sort of ad hoc cult, astro-turfed and sponsored by the fossil fuel industry. This quote you pulled up totally applies to you and your fellow dupes and stooges in the AGW denial cult.

"Sometimes, they are afraid to know the truth --
They fear that their world will fall apart if they stop believing certain things, or admit the truth of other things. That is one of the beliefs with which they got programmed — the idea that if they don't believe the right things, they will go to Hell, or they will lose their ticket to Heaven, or something else really bad will happen to them. One of the things that cults do is implant phobias about leaving the cult, or learning the truth about the cult."

No we were here first asshole...the global warming bullshit started with the inventor of the internet...AlGore...you know that crazy bastard that had eletric bills totalling about $30,000 to $40K per year just to run his household down in Tennessee, about the same time he made that fairy tale movie? And then he started up his "new carbon credits business" to dupe dumbshits like yourself into paying him money for dumping too much carbon dioxide into the air. What a scammer that sorry SoB is. We anti-global warming believers were already around. We looked just like you except we weren't retarded.

Lordy, lordy. The more they come, the stupider they get.

Look, you flap yap ignoramous, the physics of global warming was establishe by Tyndall in 1858. In 1896, Arrhenious did the first quantative analysis of the effect of CO2, and came up with numbers very similiar to those that we get today with far more complete data.

All Al Gore did was to put what the scientists have been trying to tell us for many decades into layman's terms. And a very good job he did.

All Al Gore did was start the unnecessary hysteria. And people such as you (elitest egghead, look at me type assholes) proliferate the bullshit on any and all forums. You people aren't GOD...I know, I know there is no GOD to you SoBs. You are the smartest SOBs walking upright...you think. Good luck with that.
 
So, in other words, you're not only severely retarded, Quantumofstupidity, you're also very jealous of your intellectual superiors (which would be just about everybody). Too bad you're such a retard but that is not our fault. Blame your parents for your genes or for maybe dropping you on your head so much when you were a baby.

So in other words I'm really not interested in what Dr. Frankenstein has to say. If this planet explodes tomorrow or in another billion years neither one of you geniuses will be around to say I told you so. So why get your edumacated bowels locked up over it. The fact remains that what happens every 25,000 years or so will continue to happen NO MATTER WHAT YOU TWO BRAINIACS think you know. SCREW YOU.

Lordy, what a stupid fuck you have shown yourself to be. OK, boy, I was born in '43. Done 40 years as an industrial millwright, and ten years on other things, that include a dd214 that says Honorable. And have taken Univesity courses over the years, in fact, still taking them. Three of the last four years, I have just barely cracked six figures on income. And am still working as a millwright in a steel mill. Upper middle class earner, blue collar liberal, and I research before posting.

The fact that you are too lazy to do the same says all one has to know concerning your intellect and honesty.

Hey asshole...I cracked that six figure barrier back in the mid 90s as a CFO. So take your industrial millwright/other things background and shove up where the sun doesn't shine you self-anointed genius. I still want to know why that ice-cap that reached northern Missouri 25,000 years ago melted and YOU obviously don't know, pissant. Neither did Malancovic or Al Gore.
 
So in other words I'm really not interested in what Dr. Frankenstein has to say. If this planet explodes tomorrow or in another billion years neither one of you geniuses will be around to say I told you so. So why get your edumacated bowels locked up over it. The fact remains that what happens every 25,000 years or so will continue to happen NO MATTER WHAT YOU TWO BRAINIACS think you know. SCREW YOU.

Lordy, what a stupid fuck you have shown yourself to be. OK, boy, I was born in '43. Done 40 years as an industrial millwright, and ten years on other things, that include a dd214 that says Honorable. And have taken Univesity courses over the years, in fact, still taking them. Three of the last four years, I have just barely cracked six figures on income. And am still working as a millwright in a steel mill. Upper middle class earner, blue collar liberal, and I research before posting.

The fact that you are too lazy to do the same says all one has to know concerning your intellect and honesty.

Hey asshole...I cracked that six figure barrier back in the mid 90s as a CFO. So take your industrial millwright/other things background and shove up where the sun doesn't shine you self-anointed genius. I still want to know why that ice-cap that reached northern Missouri 25,000 years ago melted and YOU obviously don't know, pissant. Neither did Malancovic or Al Gore.

And I wonder what caused the glaciers that were advancing and retreating and advancing and retreating here in New Mexico as recently as 10,000 years ago? We sure don't have any now. They were long gone before anybody but a few primitive Indian tribes occupied this area. But too recently to blame it on dinosaur farts or something like that?

Is it possible that the Earth has been experiencing massive climate shifts for as long as it has been here?
 

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