Religion = Morality?

[guno]

So much for the argument of religion being the driver of morality

Religion Versus Morality
Religion Versus Morality - The Objective Standard

Religion Doesn't Make People More Moral, Study Finds

 

[HaShev]

Well to answer your question, those adults who still are believing in their own version of
Santa Claus are obviously gonna be to dumb to get away with their crimes, where as the people who don't fall for the archaic age Santa story are more likely smart enough to either earn an honest living, not need drugs, not be on drugs or just plain smarter at getting away with their crimes.

But seriously a major Christian survey company took surveys on this topic only to find out that Christians were no more likely to have higher morals or more sound standards then non Believers. It was good for them to admit this because then they could address the whys. I address the whys in my
Morality essay.

 

[PurpleOwl]

because christians are stupid

So much for the argument of religion being the driver of morality

Religion Versus Morality
Religion Versus Morality - The Objective Standard

Religion Doesn't Make People More Moral, Study Finds

that picture so old i think i first saw it when AOL was still a thing lol

 

[ding]

Well to answer your question, those adults who still are believing in their own version of
Santa Claus are obviously gonna be to dumb to get away with their crimes, where as the people who don't fall for the archaic age Santa story are more likely smart enough to either earn an honest living, not need drugs, not be on drugs or just plain smarter at getting away with their crimes.

But seriously a major Christian survey company took surveys on this topic only to find out that Christians were no more likely to have higher morals or more sound standards then non Believers. It was good for them to admit this because then they could address the whys. I address the whys in my
Morality essay.

He didn't single out Christianity, Einstein. He singled out religion. Thus proving yet again that you are no rabbi. Do you have higher standards than non believers, rabbi?

 

[HaShev]

According to that census pic Guno is talking about Christians.
If you are referring to the link then you are pretending to be God again to assume I would actually click a link in these forums.
You guys clearly don't have the morals for me to trust clicking any links, so I have made it quite clear you need to write a synopsis & not assume people will visit the link. Guno did that with a pic and that is what I responded to Mr. god who knows all and has no sense of humor.
And Yes I have a Higher Standard but don't assume, whereby the church is always condescending, sometimes to those of higher morals , which is what my Morality Essay to the "are you saved churches" was about.

Repost:
I was approached once, turns out the proselytizer was just months out of prison daring to ask me to be saved. *L*
This is for those situations and times churches left those assuming condescending "need to be saved" panthlets on your doors or in your mail.
I literally left this following commentary in the same bag on their church office doors.
Being Condescending while Condemning & Judging Those of Greater Morals & Standards.

Morality in Society:

(The following is from: J Dymond's book "Essays of the Principles of Morality" 1896 in Philadelphia -old Seminary Material - essay 1 chapter 2- Pg 5.)

One Proposes "the Understanding" as the means, but every observer perceives that "the understandings" of men are often contradictory to their decisions. Indeed many of those who now think their understandings dictates the rectitude of a given action, will find that the understandings of the intelligent pagans of antiquity came to very different conclusions...... Good men find in practice of life, some sympathy, but these emotions are frequently unsafe and sometimes erroneous guides of their conduct. Besides, the emotions are to regulated and restrained; which of itself intimates the necessity of a regulating and restraining, that is, of a superior Power.

To say we should act according to the eternal & and necessary differences of things is to advance a proposition which NINE out of TEN people do not understand and of course can not adopt in practice; and of the few who do understand it, perhaps an equal number can not apply it, with even tolerable facility to the concerns of life. (-end- of the book quote)
Proof of this was in a poll study a ministry recently did which showed faithful Christians behaved no differently then the rest of society. Conclusion: one can talk the talk but it means nothing if you walk off the course...thus the only teaching should be that which brings people successfully in the path to righteousness...so if present teachings don't achieve this then it's time for new wine. The kind that brings the Teshuva (the return to God)

More on Society & Religion:

W.R. Alger 1867 Preface to the book "Genius of Solitude"

"The majority of men in every age are superficial in character and brittle in purpose, and lead undedicated lives; swarming together in buzzing crowds in all haunts of amusement or places of low competition, caring little for anything but gossip and pastime, the titillation of the senses, and the gratification of conceit."
(their EGO)

On Pg 189. he goes on to quote Gotama (Buddhism)f his four fundamental propositions:
"There is sorrow, every living creature feels it, Deliverance is desirable , Pure knowledge is the only possible deliverance."


In this he goes on to talk about the worthless ceremony in religions, which I agree should be traded in for substance and more precise formula for salvation. More practical virtues would be a system of Justice, Benevolence, Reverence, and applying a system of bestowing :
(People forget that the internet offers that ability to offer free ones services and time to help others, and bring others the enjoyment of their free programs, games, software, art, advice, teaching, experiences, networking, etc.).


Those of Greater Morals & Standards Being Tempted:

People aproach others in chat rooms and discussion boards and on the street or knocking on doors trying to change people who adhere to high standards into their own lesser moral standards & lesser ethics.
They want them to stray from the law and from G-d all so thay can justify their belief in their idol and acceptance into their club or group. This is like what Paul did. Since Paul felt he couldn't live up to the high standard he rid the law so he could be saved. That would be like playing Monopoly and changing the rules to the game half way in order to win the game or stick around the game to play longer. The problem is life is no game and changing the rules is serious business. You can't change the guidlines set by those who already know what's best and what the future holds.


It's why people ask that infamous question; "why is life so cruel".

It's cruel because you decide to play by your own rules and not that which is shared with you to guide you to a better way of life. You must remember you are the transgressor, and by coming to the people who don't transgress and asking them to sink to your level is clearly wrong. If you can't keep G-d's Law then that is your problem but don't go searching to take a bunch a people down with you.

Thus, the injury which is done to humanity by the Christian church in
"establishing it", is negative to society.

You not only tempt some men to equivication or hypocrisy, but exclude from the office others of sounder integrity. When they insist on the purity and sanctity of the moral law they violate the law themselves. They also end up lowering the standard in other issues like handling sin and following the commandments. Their problem is also that they end up playing judge and playing God in judge and jury, often times frowning down upon people who might have better understanding or purity than those imposing their impressions. By trying to convert people who already have G-d and his Laws they are bringing them down that Ladder instead of up it, and they also admit they worship another G-d other then the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

 

[fncceo]

So much for the argument of religion being the driver of morality

Religion Versus Morality
Religion Versus Morality - The Objective Standard

Religion Doesn't Make People More Moral, Study Finds

I suppose it would depend on the religion ...

 

[Crick]

It could depend on the fit between the religion and the culture writing the laws. Several religions have allowed behavior that would not be tolerated today. In the first chapter of Egil Skallagrimsonnar, the eponymous hero kills another young man who treats him roughly in a game. The Vikings routinely stole and slaughtered innocents to do so. Their gods approved of such practices.

 

[Mudda]

Well to answer your question, those adults who still are believing in their own version of
Santa Claus are obviously gonna be to dumb to get away with their crimes, where as the people who don't fall for the archaic age Santa story are more likely smart enough to either earn an honest living, not need drugs, not be on drugs or just plain smarter at getting away with their crimes.

But seriously a major Christian survey company took surveys on this topic only to find out that Christians were no more likely to have higher morals or more sound standards then non Believers. It was good for them to admit this because then they could address the whys. I address the whys in my
Morality essay.

Is smoking weed "being on drugs"? Or just partaking in the Lord's bounty?

 

[Crick]

Bounty. No question.

 

[HaShev]

Wickedness is subjective without defining our source & power of life to it's most finite source & thus also our purpose.
So we find Christians who think its wicked to blast on Jesus (who has a further source for creating his image) and they find it evil to point out the historical innacuracies and fallacious claims like we discussed in other posts. The people of reason and rational thinking can be of higher morals ethics and standards & do great deeds, but still seen as wicked in coming against the AFFILIATION PRIDE which set up a giant EGLOMANIAC who needs an ego feed more so then humanity served.
This same problem goes with Islam's focus on Mohammad as well. Blast either prophet and it's considered wicked, but do bad acts in either of these prophet's names and it's accepted as being part of the gang mentality=affiliation pride=wickedness and somehow accepted as good=subjective & flawed.
WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG , good or bad, in line or opposition is subjective and usually wrong when affiliation pride and a giant eglomaniac's inflated ego is seen as the discerning factor.
So you ask how do we know the difference from prideful claims and what is truly right or wrong. It's already defined in the name of the greatest focus in Humanity, the holy city of Shalem.

WE focus and gather and keep the city holy for a reason, it's to set it as a beacon, to recognize that everything we need is in that holy city's name. Like Cliff notes for the Bible is in the legend of how YeruShalem becomes the city of Shalom. The purpose in life is in the name, discerning right from wrong,good from evil is no longer subjective when you have that defined name.
Even the good cop bad cop story is in the name and legend of the holy city- like I said the ultimate cliff note to the book.
Shalem means stability, completeness, and wholeness.
Your purpose is to be stable as all you could and should be.
Mankinds purpose and direction is to progress to be complete and whole aka EVOLVE to be all we could and should be.
That simple!
All understanding of
right and wrong acts,
good vs evil, depend on discerning: "is it towards or opposing that direction/path?"
Is it Shalem?