Religion, Bible, Koran, Torah, Monotheism

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    this text comes from site: postst.cjb.net/religion.php and isn't mine

    (English is not native language of author of this text)

    Real origin of monotheism

    First some citations from Code of Hammurabi (trans. by R.F Harper, 1904):

    "at that time, Anu and Bel called me, Hammurabi, the exalted prince, the worshiper of the gods, to cause justice to prevail in the land, to destroy the wicked and the evil, to prevent the strong from oppressing the weak, to go forth like the Sun over the Black Head Race, to enlighten the land and to further the welfare of the people.
    Hammurabi, the governor named by Bel, am I, who brought about plenty and abundance; who made everything for Nippur and Durilu complete; the exalted supporter of E-kur
    the wise king, who restored Eridu to its place; who purified the sanctuary' of E-apsu stormed the four quarters of the world; who made the fame of Babylon great; who rejoiced the heart of Marduk, his lord; who daily served in Esagila
    of the seed royal, which Sin begat; who filled the city of Ur with plenty; the pious and suppliant one who brought abundance to E-gis-sir-gal; the diplomatic king, obedient to the mighty Shamash; who refounded Sippar; who clothed with green the shrines of Malkat; who decorated E-babbara, which is like a heavenly dwelling
    the warrior, the protector of Larsa; who rebuilt E-babbara for Shamash, his helper the lord, who gave life to the city of Uruk; who supplied water in abundance to its inhabitants; who raised the turrets of Eanna; who brought riches to Anu and Nana
    the divine protector of the land; who collected the scattered people of Nisin; who supplied E-gal-mah with luxurious abundance
    (---)
    the illustrious prince, the lifting up of whose hands Adad recognizes; who pacifies the heart of Adad, the warrior, in Karkar; who re-established the appointments in E-ud-gal-gal; the king who gave life to Ud-nun-ki; the benefactor of the temple E-rash
    (---)
    who founded dwelling-places for them in plenty; who determined for all time the splendid sacrifices for Ea and Dam-gal-nunna, who had extended his dominion
    (---)
    the powerful king, the Sun of Babylon, who caused light to go forth over the lands of Sumer and Akkad; the king, who caused the four quarters of the world to render obedience; the favorite of Nana, am I
    (---)
    196.If a man destroy the eye of another man, they shall destroy his eye
    197.If one break a man's bone, they shall break his bone.
    192. If the son of a NER.SE.GA, or the son of a devotee, say to his father who has reared him, or his mother who has reared him: "My father thou art not," "My mother thou art not," they shall cut out his tongue.
    (---)
    The righteous laws, which Hammurabi, the wise king, established and (by which) he gave the land stable support and pure government
    Hammurabi, the perfect king, am I
    I was not careless, nor was I neglectful of the Black-Head people, whose rule Bel presented and Marduk delivered to me. I provided them with a peaceful country. I opened up difficult barriers and lent them support
    With the powerful weapon which Za-ma-ma and Nasa entrusted to me, with the breadth of vision which Ea allotted me, with the might which Marduk gave me, I expelled the enemy to the North and South; I made an end of their raids: I brought health to the land and I am the guardian governor, whose scepter is righteous and whose beneficent protection is spread over my city. In my bosom I carried tile people of the land of Sumer and Akkad; under my protection I brought their brethren into security; in my wisdom I restrained (hid) them
    that the strong might not oppose the weak, and that they should give justice to the orphan and the widow, in Babylon, the city whose turrets Anu and Bel raised; in Esagila, the temple whose foundations are firm as heaven and earth, for the pronouncing of judgments in the land, for the rendering of decisions for tile land, and for the righting of wrong, my weighty words I have written upon my monument, and in tile presence of my image as king of righteousness have I established.
    (---)
    Hammurabi, the king of righteousness, whom Shamash has endowed with justice, am I, My words are weighty; my deeds are unrivaled ... and the bringing to honor."

    As we can see the similarity beetwen bible and this text is huge; it can affirm hypothesis that holy scripture was 'rewrite' from older texts, especially babylonian. In bible there is many stories took over babylonian and egyptian mythology and religion. For example, the story about deluge came from babylonian epos Gilgamesh, the story about Tower of Babel speak about ziggurat Etemenanki, the figure of tempter snike duplicate bad snike Apep a main opponent of egiptian god Ra etc. The real founder of monotheism was Amenhotep IV (d. in 1334 BC), Moses (about 1300-1250 BC) only copied his conception.
    Torah is the pentateuch (first five books of Bible). Koran is according to beliefs of Mussulmans improved and cleaned copy of the Bible. Whereas the Bible is a plagiarism from older Babylonian writings.

    KRIIN, 2007

    text of the translation of the code made by R.F.Harper you can get from Wikipedia
     
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    yes, I have just started delving in to this...it is very similar and more than likely, the stories of the deluge and tower of babel and other stories are from earlier times.

    After all, Abraham was from the Iraq area, Mesopotamia....babylon...region.

    this is why I keep all doors opened, so to learn....
     
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    wtf does this prove? lol

    link some sources.

    just copying and pasting text isn't enough to affirm that you're creditable
     
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    Problem with mythology, it stems from somewhere and many stem from the few oldest religions. Many of the christian biblical stories are actually based on those from Ancient Egypt.
     
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    lol
     
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    "Many of the christian biblical stories are actually based on those from Ancient Egypt."

    No way man. Jesus is real.
     
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    in some other thread:
     
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    Vague similarities do not demonstrate a link let alone prove that anyone borrowed anything from anyone else.

    This is the sort of straw at which atheists clutch when something unsettling occurs.

    It reminds me more than a Bit of Scrooge in his room after seeing Marley's apparition in his door knocker. Oh it's just indigestion, a bit of half cooked meat poorly digested.
     
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    if fact all mentioned systems are only versions of idea of Amenhotep

    this these systems, and conception of Amenhotep, are the sort of straw

    remember that Scrooge and Marley are only a literary fiction, as same as your absolute
     
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    I don't think that the idea that Judaism was not created in a vacuum in any way debunks it. Obviously, the basic concepts of religion and morality existed before Abraham. There was civilization.

    The most important and evolutionary aspect of early Judaism is the concept of monotheism, which in turn precludes the concept of a single universal moral code.

    I don't think that the text above in any way indicates that monotheism existed prior to Abraham.

    But what is infinitely more interesting is that once the notion of a single universal moral code and the God that represented it was accepted, how that moral code has evolved as human society evolved. It eventually reached a point where the moral code of the early Jews (who were a bunch of brutal barbarians) and the moral code of not only Christianity, but of rabinical Judiasim are in fact two entirely opposing moral codes.

    In fact the moral code of the early Jews had more in common with the modern day Islamic fundamentalist and terrorists than with that of Christianity and Rabinical Judaism.

    For example, the plagues used by Moses to terrorize the Egyptians would today be considered terrorism. If God was reponsible for those plagues than God certainly supports terrorism

    Possibly, if God is representative of a universal moral code than the God of Jesus and Rabinical Judaism simply IS NOT THE SAME GOD as the GOD of Moses and Abraham.

    Or is God bipolar?
     

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