Religion and/or Politics?

[Third Party]

Is God in the constitution??

1. Our nation was born in 1776, with the Declaration of Independence, which posits God-given natural rights.

2. The Constitution works out how the plan in the Declaration shall be put into effect.

3. And the Constitution has a clear and specific reference to Jesus.


I hope that helped.

What is the reference to Jesus?

What or where?


Both:


Article Seven....

Article VII

The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.

Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

Go. Washington—Presidt.

And deputy from Virginia

Year of our Lord interesting

 

[Erinwltr]

There is no reference to Jesus. PC is full of shit. Again. And again.

 

[Penelope]

The phrase “Year of our Lord,” which is the only reference to God in the United States Constitution, was, of course, a standard eighteenth-century way of referencing the date. It reminds us that the Constitution was written in a different world than our own. Today we do not usually refer to the date this way. In the eighteenth century they did. The past is indeed a foreign country.

How did this reference to “the Year of our Lord” find its way into the Constitution?

We know that the phrase “Year of our Lord” was not included in the draft of the Constitution that was approved by the Convention. On Monday, September 17, 1787, James Madison moved that
snip
The evidence available suggests that the phrase “Year of our Lord” was not part of the document approved by the members of the Constitutional Convention, but was probably added to the document sometime after the meeting.

The U.S. Constitution and "the Year of our Lord"

Time to teach you vocabulary, too??????

Spin.
Spin…altering the truth without altering the facts.

A lie which has somehow been legitimized by an uneducated public. Seenewspeak, doublespeak

Public relations term, referring to slightly altering facts to portray a desired version of a story.





Now that you can't deny the reference to Jesus, you have to try to spin.

Gads, you Liberals are scummy low-lives.

Now you are referring to Liberals' and scummy low lifes?? Too funny. Just because I proved the Constitution does not mention Jesus or Christianity.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is no reference to Jesus. PC is full of shit. Again. And again.

Simple enough to prove you a liar.....anyone with a copy of the Constitution will find it in Article 7.


Glad to have upset you to this extent.


Expect more.

 

[Penelope]

Prove that the constitution mentions "Jesus".

A pity you never read the Constitution, as now you will be left with egg on our face.

On the other hand....it is an improvement.


Article Seven....

Article VII

The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.

Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

Go. Washington—Presidt.

And deputy from Virginia




And another one bites the dust.

Sorry shows how hard up you are, that is not part of the Constitution.

Directly quoted from the Constitution, liar.


Article Seven....

Article VII

The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.

Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

Go. Washington—Presidt.

And deputy from Virginia

So very hard up. Don't you look foolish.

Foolish???

No....educated.

Bet you with you could say the same, huh?

No ….. educated, I do not have to be to see that the date was not part of the Constitution.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The phrase “Year of our Lord,” which is the only reference to God in the United States Constitution, was, of course, a standard eighteenth-century way of referencing the date. It reminds us that the Constitution was written in a different world than our own. Today we do not usually refer to the date this way. In the eighteenth century they did. The past is indeed a foreign country.

How did this reference to “the Year of our Lord” find its way into the Constitution?

We know that the phrase “Year of our Lord” was not included in the draft of the Constitution that was approved by the Convention. On Monday, September 17, 1787, James Madison moved that
snip
The evidence available suggests that the phrase “Year of our Lord” was not part of the document approved by the members of the Constitutional Convention, but was probably added to the document sometime after the meeting.

The U.S. Constitution and "the Year of our Lord"

Time to teach you vocabulary, too??????

Spin.
Spin…altering the truth without altering the facts.

A lie which has somehow been legitimized by an uneducated public. Seenewspeak, doublespeak

Public relations term, referring to slightly altering facts to portray a desired version of a story.





Now that you can't deny the reference to Jesus, you have to try to spin.

Gads, you Liberals are scummy low-lives.

Now you are referring to Liberals' and scummy low lifes?? Too funny. Just because I proved the Constitution does not mention Jesus or Christianity.

"Just because I proved the Constitution does not mention Jesus or Christianity."


Let's see how simple it is to prove you a low-life scummy lying Liberal:


Article Seven....

Article VII

The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.

Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

Go. Washington—Presidt.

And deputy from Virginia

 

[PoliticalChic]

A pity you never read the Constitution, as now you will be left with egg on our face.

On the other hand....it is an improvement.


Article Seven....

Article VII

The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.

Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

Go. Washington—Presidt.

And deputy from Virginia




And another one bites the dust.

Sorry shows how hard up you are, that is not part of the Constitution.

Directly quoted from the Constitution, liar.


Article Seven....

Article VII

The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.

Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

Go. Washington—Presidt.

And deputy from Virginia

So very hard up. Don't you look foolish.

Foolish???

No....educated.

Bet you with you could say the same, huh?

No ….. educated, I do not have to be to see that the date was not part of the Constitution.

Anyone with a copy of the Constitution will find that I am correct, you, a scummy low-life lying Liberal



Article Seven....

Article VII

The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.

Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

Go. Washington—Presidt.

And deputy from Virginia



NEXT!

 

[PoliticalChic]

7. While on the one hand, Progressivism/Liberalism benefits from phasing religious belief out of the populace, because they have their own god, a very jealous god……the state. But by the strangest of facts, when the society is talked into atheism, Progressivism, allegiance to the state lapses as well

…millennials far less patriotic and religious.



“Survey: Led By Millennials, Americans Value Patriotism, God, Children Less Than Ever” Survey: Led By Millennials, Americans Value Patriotism, God, Children Less Than Ever

How desirous is this development for the future of America?????

 

[Third Party]

7. While on the one hand, Progressivism/Liberalism benefits from phasing religious belief out of the populace, because they have their own god, a very jealous god……the state. But by the strangest of facts, when the society is talked into atheism, Progressivism, allegiance to the state lapses as well

…millennials far less patriotic and religious.



“Survey: Led By Millennials, Americans Value Patriotism, God, Children Less Than Ever” Survey: Led By Millennials, Americans Value Patriotism, God, Children Less Than Ever

How desirous is this development for the future of America?????

Wasn't that called Hedonism in Rome?

 

[Penelope]

I am going to answer your question, as far as religion , that is personal and we have many different religions in the US, and some are free of religion , since no test is required for any state or federal position.

but we all should vote for representatives, senators, and the Potus.

So my answer is Politics which affect us all.

 

[PoliticalChic]

7. While on the one hand, Progressivism/Liberalism benefits from phasing religious belief out of the populace, because they have their own god, a very jealous god……the state. But by the strangest of facts, when the society is talked into atheism, Progressivism, allegiance to the state lapses as well

…millennials far less patriotic and religious.



“Survey: Led By Millennials, Americans Value Patriotism, God, Children Less Than Ever” Survey: Led By Millennials, Americans Value Patriotism, God, Children Less Than Ever

How desirous is this development for the future of America?????

Wasn't that called Hedonism in Rome?

Living for pleasure.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I am going to answer your question, as far as religion , that is personal and we have many different religions in the US, and some are free of religion , since no test is required for any state or federal position.

but we all should vote for representatives, senators, and the Potus.

So my answer is Politics which affect us all.

1. I'm going to assume that you realize your error, and that there certainly is a reference to Jesus in the Constitution.

2. What you are missing here is that there is no way, at least in America, to separate religion and politics.
Our birthing document, the Declaration of Independence, makes that clear...
The most important word in the Declaration of Independence is found here:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, …”

The word is ‘secure.’



3. Since these rights are given by our Creator, there is no way to separate religion and politics, government.



4. “’Religion,” wrote Tocqueville, reflecting on his American sojourn, ‘is considered as the guardian of mores, and mores are regarded as the guarantee of the laws and pledge for the maintenance of freedom itself: Despotism may be able to do without faith, but freedom cannot…What can be, done with a people master of itself if it is not subject to God?”
Himmelfarb, “One Nation, Two Cultures,” p. 87

5. While no particular religion may be established, according to our founding documents, one major religion fails when compared to the Constitution.

Although Christianity in its many varieties was the religion of the original colonies, Christianity does not preach operational dominance over the body politic in America. Tocqueville compared this aspect to Islam: “Mohammed professed to derive from Heaven, and has inserted in the Koran, not only religious doctrines, but political maxims, civil and criminal laws, and theories of science. The Gospel, on the contrary, speaks only of the general relations of men to God and to each other, beyond which it inculcates and imposes no point of faith. This alone, besides a thousand other reasons, would suffice to prove that the former of these religions will never long predominate in a cultivated and democratic age, while the latter is destined to retain its sway at these as at all other periods.”
Tocqueville, “Democracy in America,” vol.2, p. 23.

 

[PoliticalChic]

8. This is the product that government schools, and secular culture turn out:
…millennials far less patriotic and religious.



Sound familiar? American government school grads have ‘cousins’ in the UK.



“… well over 100,000 British Muslims feel no loyalty whatsoever towards this country.

The proportion of men who say they feel no loyalty to Britain is more than three times the proportion of women saying the same.

Equally remarkable are YouGov's findings concerning many Muslims' attitudes towards Western society and culture.

YouGov asked respondents how they feel about Western society and how, if at all, they feel Muslims should adapt to it. …. nearly a third of British Muslims, 32 per cent, are far more censorious, believing that "Western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should seek to bring it to an end"…. about 16,000 individuals, declare themselves willing, possibly even eager, to embrace violence.” One in four Muslims sympathises with motives of terrorists



Same reasons, too…..led by Liberals.

 

[PoliticalChic]

9. If most Americans believe in the words of the Declaration of independence…

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, …”

…then our democracy is based on a religious faith.



The question arises, then, does the success of our democracy require a religious people, and if so, how to address the damage the Democrats are doing to erase that guidance, with the aid of their apparatchiks who rule the schools?




10. As stated in Matthew, ‘By their fruits you shall know them.’

The fruits of Leftism, communism, Nazism, are evident and horrific with millions of human being slaughtered in their names. Russell Kirk put it most succinctly” “Until human beings are tied together by some common faith, and share certain moral principles, they prey upon one another.”

Yet the dominant political party today supports bigotry and murder.


The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

 

[Ringtone]

Similarly, the Big Bang origin of the universe required energy. And Newton stated that mass and energy are interchangeable, but that energy can neither be created nor destroyed. But something must have created the energy, at what we might call ‘the beginning.’

A very weak 'God of the gap' argument. I'm content to say we just don't know everything.

3. And that brings into focus, as well, a defining doctrine of Progressive/Leftist thought: the claim that human nature is changeable, malleable, and that it is their political guidance and governance that can alter human nature.

But…if God created man, on what basis can Marxism, Progressivism, Leftism, claim to be able to change man's nature?

You seem to have no problem telling others what they believe, me I can only speak for myself. Human nature is not malleable and we cannot alter human nature. Human culture, on the other hand, is ever-changing. We have to be taught what and who to hate and fear and it is our culture that teaches us that. I've seen tremendous changes in my short lifetime, for example how we view Blacks and Gays is very different from when I was young. My children have grown up in a very different culture than mine and have no issues with either Blacks or Gays. Their natures, however, are just the same as everyone else's around the world and throughout time.

Leftists in general are godless dolts, but leftist atheists are godless monsters.