Religion and Ethics 2.0

[Mike Dwight]

Ya and to all these replies. Christ didn't even advocate a time for war! Of course he didn't. Of course, well if he even advocated his political kingdom of the jews? No his kingdom is noto f this world that's what he said. so obviously its a political banner in the first place and don't act like people have Faith in killing, or maybe the stretch about the crusaders going to the holy lands get absolved, seems pretty thin. He said, it used to be Roman, he said nobody likes those guys, the barbarians burn all the churches..

 

[Mike Dwight]

Who the heck throws the idea that the public is responsible to ethics and religion and morality, then bothers for 10 year about how I know about it, somebody does. Somebody sits there with a head full of insanity and clownish delusion, about how ethics works ,what is it, how does the public get informed about a religion's ethics, how do the religions ethics have a world notice, how can those properly engage in the public sphere, can those develop charities tax free with and independent goal, could they have done that completely by themselves or decided not to as themselves, or on site, or later with other parties, or decided not to.

 

[task0778]

Mike Dwight, I have read your last 3 posts and have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about. If I were you, I'd take a course in writing composition, cuz as far as I can tell, you suck at it.

 

[Mike Dwight]

Well I tried in my capacity in an expected role in business the End State goal, pass money to these entities. That's how I stated it, to the church and asked about church attendance. Then, I only got legal hurdles. Then, they made further inquiry near impossible. Then others encircled to Force further inquiry and resuming. Then, they made some awful police aided program they claimed after I already offered property to the charity. Then they complain that a police forced delusional effort to be recorded by some crap was something I need seen for any reason the first instant? They totally lied to me, if Their end Goal on that was to not have to call police. They are directly aiming for the paradox that full police cooperation was counterproductive to police cooperation, period. A total lie. Besides that, what ethics in Churches anyway. To be hunted to the end of the parking lot by one officiant I presume to my car, be chopped and cursed at and told never to return on official authority. another burden for me! And he'd complain that I say he finish any business I mention, if I mentioned it and this is related. Its just more outrageous junk.

 

[Third Party]

I am for religion and ethics and morality. I use each of them when needed to get what I want.

 

[Mike Dwight]

What the Heck are they doing IN churches nowadays? This must be churches fault generally? Am I supposed to answer what people ethically talk about being married means to the wider society? Do I need to answer the ethics of private home ownership? That's surely not the case. Do I need to argue that already competitively Invested Enemies will not plan Any good with their initiatives, in total opposition to the sort of Good initiatives that a public church committee, as is the sort I was in favor of having like meeting the pastor on issues? No a total devil would even meet me multiple times in this company to hiss me out of sight and presume some sort of internet devil worship.

 

[Mike Dwight]

Totally out of line idiots claim I ever flirt with morality, the heavy responsibilities of college, or of the stress of passing grades, When the Church itself is already claiming I'm a total philanderer. Claiming, because psychologically this general public has no CLUE to the actual Psychology of Innocent until Proven guilty, not the slightest clue and its a broken society. Then, no its not my ethical morality or broken fuse or need a hard reset on outrage and over-the-line. I was Cornered in my flat denials against insanity, to where, with nothing else for it to mean, you Must provide these occupiers their own story to their own internet and hope facebook leaves you alone. I'm not guilty of anything to them.

 

[Mike Dwight]

If I had a private conversation or interest that wasn't to the church's decisions or the college someone should let me know about it, why would I be someone to be plotting private outcomes? Why am I not a good determiner of public outcomes? And like my first post these rules on 501c charitable organizations restrict the character of religion for many people.

 

[Mike Dwight]

I don't owe some college supposed state charity or any church some supposed state charity any flip of the bird , any mooning, when they're not deserving of the attention, and to be narrowing down to me when they already made the fuss! They are all hand-in-hand with each other and repeating and backing up each other's claims that I should be more Amicable and Silent when their presenter has pornographic topics and they have me inspect more pornographic topics, not related to Any of their students! not slightly related to any logical teaching aid or any student association, that's insanity. And of course I'm required onto these programs trying to get back to participation in their graduate programs without any problem on my name which was just absolute hearsay garbage from electronic language interpreters, I care less than that.

 

[Mike Dwight]

That'll be the day that churches can fake national security threats, shadow delete all job prospects and emails, fake a full decade of occurrences, until then churches can sit back and be equal idiots. Somehow when Asians whom claim 1. the Americans all together are proud over Korean people (never thought about this group) to run them over with army vehicles 2. we are imperials like the others 3. we all have inherited capitalistic family money 4. and somehow I having been an 18 year old academic participant will have spoken, had attitude, or contributed, or caused, in any way, the Protest Group that develops that we want to make their women unfaithful. That protest group is a spin off already in development that the Hispanics of the region do that.

 

[Mike Dwight]

Nobody is ever on trial whom was openly working in the public environment. I'm the only person ever extracted framed and rejected from the public environment, multiple, many times, by handfuls on handfuls of peoples and occassioins. They setup at this church, somewhat automatic would be mudslinging spotlight for me. They Somehow have any personal bias to any excuses near or far about , again, how there are no numerical ,academic, jobs, or other avenues skirting around just unprofessional claims. I accept equally valid any and every ludicrous picture of myself that serves as rejection to graduate studying. They were going to forcibly remove me for Morale issues or any junk they want, and some people don't think its the same thing? Its personal targeting , offsides.

 

[Mike Dwight]

This "Church" is responsible for catered pepperoni crackers,sausages, coqued'asse crackers, one eat out Korean food, I'd assume others prepared this. They had tammy benson over to move. They esteemed tammy benson with prizes, they spoiled her with tutoring dollars. And the first effort right when these interactions were Completed and a conclusion could be put On an appreciable mission completion, any bloody red cent is turned to blood money, and racist fantasy, totally violent rejection. Why would people Aim for me to explain totally Unexplainable Folly?! That is Not my responsibility! Those were not my feelings, that was not hidden away anywhere, that was not in my knowledge.

 

[Mike Dwight]

I wouldn't esteem any junior participant taken aback in their housing choices and I'm not sure why I am responsible in turning that to business discussion either, that's more appropriate to my conduct , plus to whomever was most on task with the entirety of my college education.

 

[RWS]

I brought up 1.0, but it's history... Needs to be brought up again...

The theme of the board is Religion and Ethics.

You can't have both, you can only have one. Because religions are anti-ethics. They are mutually exclusive. Religions kill for fun.

You either have religion, or you have ethics.

I'm for ethics.

How bout you peeps?

False premise that you can't have both. Religions are codified ethical systems in addition to a smattering of theology. You are not required to like their ethics.

But ethics are real, and religions are not. Religion's ethics are evil. True natural ethics are real and part of evolution. Every species has it.

Only humans kill each other over religion. It's a money and power-making scheme.

 

[RWS]

Human nature being what it is, would the Crusades and other mass killings in the name of a God have happened anyway? Was religion used as an excuse to start wars or commit atrocities in order to acquire power and riches? How many deaths have been the result of a non-religious war? I don't have the numbers handy, but I suspect that a great deal more people have been killed for other reasons than religion.

And this "Religions kill for fun" is total bullshit.

Back then they only had swords and blades. No long missiles, or sniper rifles. It was hand to hand combat. Soldiers had a high probability to die. And the only way to get people to accept those odds, was to convince them that their afterlife depended on it.

This is not just Christianity, but every religion that would invade and purge. The Vikings thought the same shit.

And do we think that Valhalla exists today?

 

[RWS]

Religious people are perfectly capable of being ethical too. And there's a difference between a person who claims to be religious but isn't really, and a religious person who actually IS religious AND ethical. Unethical people exist irrespective of whether they are religious or not, and I would venture to say that most people who actually are religious are also ethical people while it's more likely that non-religious people are NOT as ethical, whether they claim to be religious or not.


IOW, you show me a person who is not religious and I'll show you a person who is way more likely to be unethical. Regardless of whether they go to church on Sunday or not.


Would you blame the religion for a person who claims to be religious but does unethical things? Where's your outrage for the unreligious person who also does unethical things? I would posit that the number of the latter greatly outnumbers the former.

And I would go further and say that religion has to a large extent formed the values and principles that almost everyone bases their morality on. Which is the basis for determining what is ethical and what isn't, what is right and what is wrong. Where do you think the concept of "The Golden Rule" came from?

If the Pope says to kill all Muslims and Jews, Christians would follow that. Even though it is not ethical. It's been done before.

Religious fanatics chose their religion over what is morally ethical. It has been done countless times. And it includes religious politics, like Nazism and Socialism.

They kill because they are commanded and believe their afterlife depends on it.

Religion = evil.

Any benefits of religion is because they killed everyone, and had a fresh start to create new technology. But if they hadn't killed everyone and burned libraries, we could be so much further ahead than we are now.

 

[RWS]

Religion is a scam to get you to do what your rulers want. If you follow, you are a puppet, to be taken advantage of.

The source of the religion is also a scam. Rewritten thousands of times from the original Sumerian texts. Which do not say anything about "gods". Just the Anunnaki. But they were not gods, and they were not worshiped. The Egyptians and Babylonians changed that into worship and war to create armies that believe their afterlife is dependent on killing everyone else. And every religion has followed that strategy since.

 

[RWS]

Is it religion? Yes!

Is it ethical? No! Fuck no!

 

[RWS]

btw Happy belated Father's Day to all fathers on this board!

 

[SweetSue92]

Monotheistic religions demand that they are right, and everyone else is wrong. And if you don't believe, you can be subject to many penalties, including death. This has been happily carried out during Crusades and Inquisitions. Millions of people killed, raped, or abducted, or just plain killed.

Terrible crimes committed in the name of "God" or "Jesus". Horrible....

Makes me sick. And Christians today just forgive all those horrific acts committed in their names, that got them to be born into that religion. As if they never happened... They just donate at church and have no idea...

Monotheistic religions demand that they are right, and everyone else is wrong.

Of course you are demanding the very same thing, and if I keep reading the thread it's probably throughout.

The demand is not wrong. It's what you do with those who disagree that's ever wrong. And you are dead wrong about the rest of your post in a way that's also dead boring