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Race shouldn't have even brought up----It has nothing to do with the goal.
That's actually a very GOOD POINT.
No. It's silliness to ignore demographics. He certainly could have expressed himself better, but the truth is there's more permanent unemployment among less skilled workers and minority populations.
So while race, per se, has nothing to do with the goals, where jobs should be created certainly does... or should we pretend otherwise?
There is some truth in your statement. If he had said black people the rightwing nuts would build a monument to him.I think the stimulus money should not simply go to black people, either. It should go where it will get spent to boost the economy.
More fauxrage.
Yes, but if he would have used the term "black people", the blacks and libs would have crucified the man.
Getting past the fact that Reich needs an apple stuck in his mouth and acupuncture done on his brain .........
IMO...................
If Obama or anyone in Washington wants a stimulus package to help, to really help, first it does need to be a huge package, but, it also needs to be much more diverse than what is being suggested by Obama. He is offering a small and limited patch to a gaping and expanding hole.
I don't like the fact that such a package needs to be used, but, if they are going to do it, then at least do it right. All that malarkey talk about Main Street he spilled from coast to coast, he seems to have forgotten where Main Street is.
Here's what's stupid:
People who don't understand how a labor project is manned, managed, and completed, trying to give their opinion on ANY of those things.
Any construction project is going to include the highly skilled, and the least skilled. That's just a foregone conclusion. There will be entry level apprentice workers, because they are cheap labor, they are getting on the job training, and they are completing the grunt work that is inevitable on any kind of construction project. They dig holes, ditches, transport tools, they even drive the vehicles around. They carry the heavy materials around, they push the wheel barrows, and they make the coffee runs.
To assume, for whatever reason, that these projects weren't already going to include minorities and the less skilled, is what was retarded to begin with.
Hey Jill, I've got some opinions on how court cases should be staffed, and how the proceedings should go. I'm not a lawyer, but hey, so what? How about if I come into your office sometime and start delegating tasks. I mean, I'm an American with an opinion. That should be enough qualification in itself, right?
Race shouldn't have even brought up----It has nothing to do with the goal.
That's actually a very GOOD POINT.
No. It's silliness to ignore demographics.
Not nearly so silly as giving idiots the opportunity to call you out as a racist, Jill, which is what Rangel did.
Yes you and I both know that if ONLY infrastructure projects are funded that the majority of money will go to White males, but there really was no excuse (other than not thinking before speaking) to say what Rangel said.
He certainly could have expressed himself better, but the truth is there's more permanent unemployment among less skilled workers and minority populations.
And THAT is what he should have said.
So while race, per se, has nothing to do with the goals, where jobs should be created certainly does... or should we pretend otherwise?
Yes race should have nothing to do with out goals in this case.
The mission here isn't affirmative action, it's getting money back into the economy in a way that helps the economy, the people AND gives us some benefit for the investment, too.
But the fact is that Rangel is race obsessed, and his words exposed him to this ridicule and by exposing his own prejudice he undermines the extremely good point he was attempting to make.
Here's what's stupid:
People who don't understand how a labor project is manned, managed, and completed, trying to give their opinion on ANY of those things.
Any construction project is going to include the highly skilled, and the least skilled. That's just a foregone conclusion. There will be entry level apprentice workers, because they are cheap labor, they are getting on the job training, and they are completing the grunt work that is inevitable on any kind of construction project. They dig holes, ditches, transport tools, they even drive the vehicles around. They carry the heavy materials around, they push the wheel barrows, and they make the coffee runs.
To assume, for whatever reason, that these projects weren't already going to include minorities and the less skilled, is what was retarded to begin with.
Hey Jill, I've got some opinions on how court cases should be staffed, and how the proceedings should go. I'm not a lawyer, but hey, so what? How about if I come into your office sometime and start delegating tasks. I mean, I'm an American with an opinion. That should be enough qualification in itself, right?
Correct ... but at rate pay!
and there will be more desirable/skilled workers looked over to fill quotas. Nothing should be handed to anyone that doesn't deserve it and receiving a good paying job because you are a minority while there are so many others with skills out of work is bull shit.
Yes anyone can dig a hole and do grunt work, but if there is a family to feed and bills to continue to be paid is what they ought to be looking at. In other words not someone that has been collecting welfare and unemployment, but rather working their butt off thinking they were secure and living the american dream only to find they GOT SCREWED ...
n Open Letter to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Michelle Malkin
In a time like this, when tempers are riding high and many Americans are close to panic about their jobs and finances, you have a special responsibility to consider the accuracy of what you say and the consequences of inflammatory and erroneous statements. In the last few days, manifestly distorting my words and pulling them out of context, you have accused me of wanting to exclude white males from jobs generated by the stimulus package. Anyone who takes a moment to examine what I actually said and wrote knows this to be an absurd misrepresentation of my position (see this). My goal is and has always been to create as many opportunities for as wide a group as possible, and not exclude anyone from access. There is and has never been any ambiguity about this. The hate mail I have received since your broadcast suggests that the mischievous consequences of your demagoguery are potentially dangerous, in addition to being destructive of rational and constructive political discourse. I urge you to take responsibility for your words. Words and ideas have real world consequences, and you have demonstrated a cavalier disregard for both.
n Open Letter to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Michelle Malkin
In a time like this, when tempers are riding high and many Americans are close to panic about their jobs and finances, you have a special responsibility to consider the accuracy of what you say and the consequences of inflammatory and erroneous statements. In the last few days, manifestly distorting my words and pulling them out of context, you have accused me of wanting to exclude white males from jobs generated by the stimulus package. Anyone who takes a moment to examine what I actually said and wrote knows this to be an absurd misrepresentation of my position (see this). My goal is and has always been to create as many opportunities for as wide a group as possible, and not exclude anyone from access. There is and has never been any ambiguity about this. The hate mail I have received since your broadcast suggests that the mischievous consequences of your demagoguery are potentially dangerous, in addition to being destructive of rational and constructive political discourse. I urge you to take responsibility for your words. Words and ideas have real world consequences, and you have demonstrated a cavalier disregard for both.
If you can't find something to smear you opponent with, the either distort what they said or just fucking make it up: The Limbaugh Creed
The below video from President Obama's economic advisor Reich speaks for itself.
YouTube - Explosive Video Reich, Obamas economic advisor no "White Male Construction Workers"
The core of our economic problem right now is that neither businesses nor consumers can get the credit they need for the economy to recover quickly, and I see nothing in the Obama recovery package that addresses this problem. Nearly all of it seems to go to giving some relief, mostly to consumers, while the economy continues to reel under this credit crunch. It seems the Obama administration thinks this problem will be corrected by market adjustments over time and they are taking this as an opportunity to spend money on projects, some of them worthwhile, that they would not have be able to get without the recession as a pretext.
The below video from President Obama's economic advisor Reich speaks for itself.
YouTube - Explosive Video Reich, Obamas economic advisor no "White Male Construction Workers"
The core of our economic problem right now is that neither businesses nor consumers can get the credit they need for the economy to recover quickly, and I see nothing in the Obama recovery package that addresses this problem. Nearly all of it seems to go to giving some relief, mostly to consumers, while the economy continues to reel under this credit crunch. It seems the Obama administration thinks this problem will be corrected by market adjustments over time and they are taking this as an opportunity to spend money on projects, some of them worthwhile, that they would not have be able to get without the recession as a pretext.
The below video from President Obama's economic advisor Reich speaks for itself.
YouTube - Explosive Video Reich, Obamas economic advisor no "White Male Construction Workers"
The core of our economic problem right now is that neither businesses nor consumers can get the credit they need for the economy to recover quickly, and I see nothing in the Obama recovery package that addresses this problem. Nearly all of it seems to go to giving some relief, mostly to consumers, while the economy continues to reel under this credit crunch. It seems the Obama administration thinks this problem will be corrected by market adjustments over time and they are taking this as an opportunity to spend money on projects, some of them worthwhile, that they would not have be able to get without the recession as a pretext.
Any stimulus that doesn't have as its primary feature, fixing the housing market is completely worthless and useless as an economic stimulus.
If you are going to attack infrastructure issues then do it as an infrastructure investment programs, but it's NOT an economic stimulus program for the overall economy. Bad infrastructure had nothing to do with starting this crisis, and fixing infrastructure will do nothing to solve it. All it will do is give us new bridges and better roads.
likely that little weasle Reichn Open Letter to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Michelle Malkin
In a time like this, when tempers are riding high and many Americans are close to panic about their jobs and finances, you have a special responsibility to consider the accuracy of what you say and the consequences of inflammatory and erroneous statements. In the last few days, manifestly distorting my words and pulling them out of context, you have accused me of wanting to exclude white males from jobs generated by the stimulus package. Anyone who takes a moment to examine what I actually said and wrote knows this to be an absurd misrepresentation of my position (see this). My goal is and has always been to create as many opportunities for as wide a group as possible, and not exclude anyone from access. There is and has never been any ambiguity about this. The hate mail I have received since your broadcast suggests that the mischievous consequences of your demagoguery are potentially dangerous, in addition to being destructive of rational and constructive political discourse. I urge you to take responsibility for your words. Words and ideas have real world consequences, and you have demonstrated a cavalier disregard for both.
If you can't find something to smear you opponent with, the either distort what they said or just fucking make it up: The Limbaugh Creed
Sorry -- I didn't see who that quote was by--little help someone?
Last time I went by a major construction project half the workers appeared to be Latinos
Last time I went by a major construction project half the workers appeared to be Latinos
And this old very skilled white male fully supports the idea.
The core of our economic problem right now is that neither businesses nor consumers can get the credit they need for the economy to recover quickly, and I see nothing in the Obama recovery package that addresses this problem. Nearly all of it seems to go to giving some relief, mostly to consumers, while the economy continues to reel under this credit crunch. It seems the Obama administration thinks this problem will be corrected by market adjustments over time and they are taking this as an opportunity to spend money on projects, some of them worthwhile, that they would not have be able to get without the recession as a pretext.
