Ref 71 Domestic Partnership could be approved in Washington

[Luissa]

There is a slight lead tonight, of course my side of the state is voting mostly no of Ref 71 with the Seattle area carrying the vote. Lets hope it passes.
Referendum 71 being narrowly approved by voters in early returns | KREM 2 News | KREM.com | When it Matters Most | News

 

[RetiredGySgt]

There is a slight lead tonight, of course my side of the state is voting mostly no of Ref 71 with the Seattle area carrying the vote. Lets hope it passes.
Referendum 71 being narrowly approved by voters in early returns | KREM 2 News | KREM.com | When it Matters Most | News

See, this is how it is done. Not by a Judge and Judicial decree.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Before I accuse you of something you did not do... What is your position on the California vote to ban gay marriage?

 

[Luissa]

I think gays should be allowed to marry! I also think a majority should not be allowed to deny a minority a right.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I think gays should be allowed to marry! I also think a majority should not be allowed to deny a minority a right.

In other words you support the idea that a minority can force a majority in a democratic country to do as they want. As I suspected.

Gay marriage is NOT a right. That would be the whole point DEAR.

 

[Luissa]

they want to be allowed to do something, they are not forcing other people into gay marriage.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

they want to be allowed to do something, they are not forcing other people into gay marriage.

Yes and the Majority get to decide if they can do it or not.

 

[Luissa]

how would you like it if someone else told you what you can do?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

how would you like it if someone else told you what you can do?

You may want to look around DEAR, we all get told every day what we can and can not do.

 

[Modbert]

In other words you support the idea that a minority can force a majority in a democratic country to do as they want. As I suspected.

Gay marriage is NOT a right. That would be the whole point DEAR.

You really should read into Thomas Jefferson.

 

[Navy1960]

14th Amendment
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

A.R.S. 25-101

25-101. Void and prohibited marriages

A. Marriage between parents and children, including grandparents and grandchildren of every degree, between brothers and sisters of the one-half as well as the whole blood, and between uncles and nieces, aunts and nephews and between first cousins, is prohibited and void.

B. Notwithstanding subsection A, first cousins may marry if both are sixty-five years of age or older or if one or both first cousins are under sixty-five years of age, upon approval of any superior court judge in the state if proof has been presented to the judge that one of the cousins is unable to reproduce.

C. Marriage between persons of the same sex is void and prohibited

10th Amendment
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

It would seem rather clear that a state and it's people do have the right to decide which is best for themselves on this issue and making such laws is wholly consistant with the constitution.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I think gays should be allowed to marry! I also think a majority should not be allowed to deny a minority a right.

They can get married. A gay man can marry a gay woman.

 

[bodecea]

they want to be allowed to do something, they are not forcing other people into gay marriage.

Yes and the Majority get to decide if they can do it or not.

And I suppose you approve of the Majority taking away one of YOUR equal rights if you are a member of a minority group currently unpopular, eh?

 

[Steerpike]

In other words you support the idea that a minority can force a majority in a democratic country to do as they want. As I suspected.

Gay marriage is NOT a right. That would be the whole point DEAR.

Whether it is a 'right' or not, I prefer to err on the side of individual freedoms. I'd prefer to have something be legal unless there are very good reasons why the State should prohibit it. I haven't heard good reasons for prohibiting gay marriage.

 

[JScott]

I think gays should be allowed to marry! I also think a majority should not be allowed to deny a minority a right.

In other words you support the idea that a minority can force a majority in a democratic country to do as they want. As I suspected.

Gay marriage is NOT a right. That would be the whole point DEAR.

Well, the Declaration of Independence says otherwise-

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

You can have your opinion but eventually gays will have equal rights like everyone else.

 

[JScott]

how would you like it if someone else told you what you can do?

You may want to look around DEAR, we all get told every day what we can and can not do.

Did someone tell you who you could marry or couldnt marry?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I think gays should be allowed to marry! I also think a majority should not be allowed to deny a minority a right.

In other words you support the idea that a minority can force a majority in a democratic country to do as they want. As I suspected.

Gay marriage is NOT a right. That would be the whole point DEAR.

Well, the Declaration of Independence says otherwise-

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

You can have your opinion but eventually gays will have equal rights like everyone else.

What rights do I have that homosexuals don't?

 

[JScott]

In other words you support the idea that a minority can force a majority in a democratic country to do as they want. As I suspected.

Gay marriage is NOT a right. That would be the whole point DEAR.

Well, the Declaration of Independence says otherwise-

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

You can have your opinion but eventually gays will have equal rights like everyone else.

What rights do I have that homosexuals don't?

You get to be happy.

 

[Steerpike]

What rights do I have that homosexuals don't?

The right to marry someone of a sex that your biology dictates you are physically attracted to?

 

[bodecea]

I think gays should be allowed to marry! I also think a majority should not be allowed to deny a minority a right.

They can get married. A gay man can marry a gay woman.

Ah....and you think that is an acceptable use of Marriage, eh?