Reductio ad absurdum, or "I want"

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    Reductio ad absurdum, or I want to live in a world where Abraham had never been born.

    Without Abraham, the Hebrew, we'd have no Islam. Without Islam, we'd have no Islamic radicals. Without Abraham, the Hebrew, we'd have no Christianity. Without Christianity we'd have no Scott Roeders. who is Scott Roeder? Without ignorance we all know who Scot Roeder is.

    Without Hebrews, we'd have no Christianity. Without Christianity we'd have no anti-Semites. Without Christianity we'd have no Christian Identity movement. Without Hebrews and Christianity, the Confederacy would have had no biblical argument for justifying the slavery of Africans. Without Christianity, many Americans ( and others worldwide), would not have had their lives unjustly taken away by terrorists using their own interpretations from readings of the Judeo-Christian Bible, to justify atrocity. Without Christians who claim a personal relationship to Jesus the Christ, there would be less death in the world. Without Hebrews, there'd be no trouble in Palestine, because without Hebrews, Palestine as we know it, would never have existed.

    I know this sounds a bit absurd, so please allow me to assure you: I want to live in a world without trouble. I want to live in a world where Abraham had never been born. But we all know that would be an absurdity. Such a world could never exist.
     
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    I can not open a website " Christian Identity".

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    I tried to delete a part of "http - Google Search" but the link still does not work.

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    I researched the term this is what I came up with:


    "Doctrines: a theological system centered on a racist/anti-Semitic and white supremacy. It seems to use religious arguments to justify political agendas.

    Practices:
    Structure--The movement does not have a centralized organizational structure but has groups in most every Western nation.
    Recruitment--through extreme right-wing churches, survival groups, and word of mouth.
    Adherents--generally are Ku Klux Klan, Aryan Nation, Nazi Party, White Separatists groups, etc.

    Texts: Old and New Testaments of the Bible. Some think sections of the U.S. Constitution were divinely inspired."


    https://carm.org/christian-identity-movement
     
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    Well, at least you were right about one thing.
     
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    Take away Abraham, Hebrew and Islam and society is still left with the "Scott Roeders" of the world and the gang mentality that wants to cast down others and hate. The acts that you are complaining about are borne from being a human being not due to a religious belief system.

    The words,ideals and doctrines that are held in high esteem are not what cause a violent act to take place or a group or individual to hate another person, way of life or lifestyle. Each act is based in fear and can be traced to one or more of the following: Pride, Envy, Anger, Gluttony, Lust, Sloth and Greed. The "religious" or other belief system is merely a conduit and brings people together to form the group that will facilitate the hateful act.

    For someone to commit a murder or serious crime there is more than the religious belief or the aforementioned character defect there must be the absence of conscience, the one committing by definition has no regard for the rights of others which far exceeds and word they would have listened to or belief they may have held.

    Notwithstanding the narrow definition of what Abraham, Hebrew and Islam represent, those people or ideals are not what cause the abominable acts against their targets, it is those who contour those people or beliefs for their own purposes.
     
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    I can't understand why people who god on their side cannot show me proof of god's existence. I guess, god is a puzzle maker. Yet, if he is, why didn't he tell...oh never mind
     
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    Theists must take great care to not run afoul of a logical fallacy, as indeed most are prone to do.

    Reductio ad Absurdum:

    ‘I am going into surgery tomorrow so please pray for me. If enough people pray for me, God will protect me from harm and see to it that I have a successful surgery and speedy recovery.

    Explanation: We first assume the premise is true: if “enough” people prayed to God for her successful surgery and speedy recovery, then God would make it so. From this, we can deduce that God responds to popular opinion. However, if God simply granted prayers based on popularity contests, that would be both unjust and absurd. Since God cannot be unjust, then he cannot both respond to popularity and not respond to popularity, the claim is absurd, and thus false.’

    Reductio ad Absurdum
     
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    apologies

    US Domestic Terrorism: Christian Identity
     
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    No problem :)
     
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