Reduce gun violence, legalize drugs

So let's see, you want to legalize drugs which cause people to lose their jobs and family in many cases, thus many of them turn to crime to pay for their habit.

Yeah, more people on drugs and doing crimes means less violence.....uh, wrong.

Also, most "pot" businesses have been getting ROBBED by criminals because they have (drumroll) drugs. So you want more drug businesses and believe they won't get ROBBED by gunpoint? Maybe just knives and not guns, eh?

No, with legal and regulated sources the price would drop and the quality would improve. Less need to turn to crime when the prices are reasonable. Like beer, wine, coffee or cigarettes, nobody goes out on a crime spree to pay for those do they?

Businesses should be protected by the police.

Not quite. We pay a very heavy price for alcoholism. The deaths of innocent people, the medical care required as the alcoholic body breaks down. The costs associated with the alcoholic unable to provide for basic necessities for themselves or their families. The crimes committed by drunks. There is no cognitive impairment with coffee or cigarettes. No one has ever claimed diminished capacity for criminal behavior because they had coffee or cigarettes.

We will not survive legalization of drugs. It's a matter of numbers. The number of people who drink solely to get drunk is miniscule to the number of people who have a beer after work or a glass of wine with dinner. The sole purpose of drugs is to get high. Then the user isn't responsible anymore.

Yes quite. You whole theme is wrong. There would be less violence. Most of the crimes associated with drug use happen because of the inflated black market prices. There are very few drunks who turn to crime to feed their alcoholism. Outlaw cigarettes or coffee and I'll bet users of those substances get violent too.
 
So let's see, you want to legalize drugs which cause people to lose their jobs and family in many cases, thus many of them turn to crime to pay for their habit.

Yeah, more people on drugs and doing crimes means less violence.....uh, wrong.

Also, most "pot" businesses have been getting ROBBED by criminals because they have (drumroll) drugs. So you want more drug businesses and believe they won't get ROBBED by gunpoint? Maybe just knives and not guns, eh?

No, with legal and regulated sources the price would drop and the quality would improve. Less need to turn to crime when the prices are reasonable. Like beer, wine, coffee or cigarettes, nobody goes out on a crime spree to pay for those do they?

Businesses should be protected by the police.

Not quite. We pay a very heavy price for alcoholism. The deaths of innocent people, the medical care required as the alcoholic body breaks down. The costs associated with the alcoholic unable to provide for basic necessities for themselves or their families. The crimes committed by drunks. There is no cognitive impairment with coffee or cigarettes. No one has ever claimed diminished capacity for criminal behavior because they had coffee or cigarettes.

We will not survive legalization of drugs. It's a matter of numbers. The number of people who drink solely to get drunk is miniscule to the number of people who have a beer after work or a glass of wine with dinner. The sole purpose of drugs is to get high. Then the user isn't responsible anymore.

I love how you separate alcohol from other recreational drugs, then try to make it seem that only alcohol has varying levels of inebriation.

So only those who consume alcohol ever take a small amount, just to 'get a buzz'? Users of every other drug only want to get the equivalent of drunk?

People are simply more used to alcohol as a normal, legal part of society. It's an almost completely arbitrary distinction to look at it differently than other recreational drugs.
 
oh....you're going to sell them "safe" meth and crack. :badgrin:

You're a fucking idiot that fucked up your own life but you're not going to be allowed to destroy society.

So let's see, you want to legalize drugs which cause people to lose their jobs and family in many cases, thus many of them turn to crime to pay for their habit.

Yeah, more people on drugs and doing crimes means less violence.....uh, wrong.

Also, most "pot" businesses have been getting ROBBED by criminals because they have (drumroll) drugs. So you want more drug businesses and believe they won't get ROBBED by gunpoint? Maybe just knives and not guns, eh?

Seems to me that gang shoots account for most of the gun violence in the US. And since drugs are the gangs number one source of revenue, legalizing drugs would take away their cash flow which in turn would lower the violence.

If people are really serious about saving lives then we need to consider our current laws and how they effort our lives before we think about adding more.

No, with legal and regulated sources the price would drop and the quality would improve. Less need to turn to crime when the prices are reasonable. Like beer, wine, coffee or cigarettes, nobody goes out on a crime spree to pay for those do they?

Businesses should be protected by the police.
 
You like looking stupid here.....comparing Canadians with hispanic drug cartels that cut people's heads off for "spiritual protection" in their cult.

Oh are those violent drug cartels that exist from Mexico all the way down to the fields in South America where they grow the drug plants.....just going to give up what they own and control right now?

Will those drug cartels set up their own stores here?

They're going to quit being VIOLENT once they can sell more drugs???

You people are insane to believe they are going to let some Wal Mart to take a cut of their billions.

The Canadian Club Distillery continued to produce throughout prohibition in the US fueling Al Capone's gang. What happend to them after prohibtion was repealled?
 
Sure kook....the medical costs passed on to taxpayers won't increase when any 21 year old can go get crack at their local Wal Mart, according to you.

Just because you need to suck cocks behind Wal Mart to get your crack now, doesn't mean that will stop if we make it legal......you still don't have any money to buy the "legal" crack, asswipe.

Here's what cracks me up about neoCONS; issues like ending the prohibition of drugs, gay rights, abortion etc should be conservative issues. Think about the basic speaking point of smaller government and less big brother in the citizens daily lives. Shit ending the prohibition of drugs should also be a fiscally conservative issue as well. Think about all of the money saved from this money sucking "War on Drugs". But hell, all of you bible thumpers should be reading the bible rather than posting on this board being the typical hypocrites that you are.
 
No, with legal and regulated sources the price would drop and the quality would improve. Less need to turn to crime when the prices are reasonable. Like beer, wine, coffee or cigarettes, nobody goes out on a crime spree to pay for those do they?

Businesses should be protected by the police.

Not quite. We pay a very heavy price for alcoholism. The deaths of innocent people, the medical care required as the alcoholic body breaks down. The costs associated with the alcoholic unable to provide for basic necessities for themselves or their families. The crimes committed by drunks. There is no cognitive impairment with coffee or cigarettes. No one has ever claimed diminished capacity for criminal behavior because they had coffee or cigarettes.

We will not survive legalization of drugs. It's a matter of numbers. The number of people who drink solely to get drunk is miniscule to the number of people who have a beer after work or a glass of wine with dinner. The sole purpose of drugs is to get high. Then the user isn't responsible anymore.

Yes quite. You whole theme is wrong. There would be less violence. Most of the crimes associated with drug use happen because of the inflated black market prices. There are very few drunks who turn to crime to feed their alcoholism. Outlaw cigarettes or coffee and I'll bet users of those substances get violent too.

That's what you THINK. In reality most of the crimes associated with drug use happen because the user is HIGH. Joseph Beers didn't kill four people because he needed money to buy drugs. He was high. The guy who ate the face off of an innocent person in the street didn't need money to buy drugs. He was high. Pot smoking kids don't fail in school because they need money to buy pot. They fail because they are drug users. My step Great Granddaughter didn't get hit by a car because her mother needed money to buy drugs, she got hit by a car because mommy was too high to watch her.
 
Seems to me that gang shoots account for most of the gun violence in the US. And since drugs are the gangs number one source of revenue, legalizing drugs would take away their cash flow which in turn would lower the violence.

If people are really serious about saving lives then we need to consider our current laws and how they effort our lives before we think about adding more.

THis of course assumes that criminals would shrug and say "oh drugs are legal now" and go get an honest job, rather than switching to some other criminal activity.

A laughable proposition at best. If you want to legalize drugs, at least be honest about your reasons.

Note to the illiterate. I did NOT say I am for against legalization. Only that this argument is SILLY.
 
The drug gangs will just open up mom and pop drug stores in the ghetto and suburbs with lilly white college age kids manning the store for a "safe look," while the drug gangs do their business possibly robbing their competition or just killing them because they are undercutting business.

These criminals are NOT going to walk away from their billion dollar business when there is even more money to make when it is legal to sell it to adults. Of course, no kids will get their hands on drugs.....kinda like alcohol, eh?

Seems to me that gang shoots account for most of the gun violence in the US. And since drugs are the gangs number one source of revenue, legalizing drugs would take away their cash flow which in turn would lower the violence.

If people are really serious about saving lives then we need to consider our current laws and how they effort our lives before we think about adding more.

THis of course assumes that criminals would shrug and say "oh drugs are legal now" and go get an honest job, rather than switching to some other criminal activity.

A laughable proposition at best. If you want to legalize drugs, at least be honest about your reasons.

Note to the illiterate. I did NOT say I am for against legalization. Only that this argument is SILLY.
 
The drug gangs will just open up mom and pop drug stores in the ghetto and suburbs with lilly white college age kids manning the store for a "safe look," while the drug gangs do their business possibly robbing their competition or just killing them because they are undercutting business.

These criminals are NOT going to walk away from their billion dollar business when there is even more money to make when it is legal to sell it to adults. Of course, no kids will get their hands on drugs.....kinda like alcohol, eh?

Seems to me that gang shoots account for most of the gun violence in the US. And since drugs are the gangs number one source of revenue, legalizing drugs would take away their cash flow which in turn would lower the violence.

If people are really serious about saving lives then we need to consider our current laws and how they effort our lives before we think about adding more.

THis of course assumes that criminals would shrug and say "oh drugs are legal now" and go get an honest job, rather than switching to some other criminal activity.

A laughable proposition at best. If you want to legalize drugs, at least be honest about your reasons.

Note to the illiterate. I did NOT say I am for against legalization. Only that this argument is SILLY.

But that is what happened to all the illicit booze traffickers once prohibition was lifted.

The lower price, even with taxation, government sanctioned sellers could provide would cut the heart out of the money made by the cartels, and that is the only reason they exist, to make money.

There will always be some illicit trade for people who want to get around the system, but the demand and hence the profit would be a fraction of what is seen today.
 
oh....you're going to sell them "safe" meth and crack. :badgrin:

You're a fucking idiot that fucked up your own life but you're not going to be allowed to destroy society.

So let's see, you want to legalize drugs which cause people to lose their jobs and family in many cases, thus many of them turn to crime to pay for their habit.

Yeah, more people on drugs and doing crimes means less violence.....uh, wrong.

Also, most "pot" businesses have been getting ROBBED by criminals because they have (drumroll) drugs. So you want more drug businesses and believe they won't get ROBBED by gunpoint? Maybe just knives and not guns, eh?

No, with legal and regulated sources the price would drop and the quality would improve. Less need to turn to crime when the prices are reasonable. Like beer, wine, coffee or cigarettes, nobody goes out on a crime spree to pay for those do they?

Businesses should be protected by the police.

I'm not going to sell them anything. I not going to tell them they can't use them either.

You nanny statist are all the same and you are one of the reasons our society seems so fucked up.
 
You like looking stupid here.....comparing Canadians with hispanic drug cartels that cut people's heads off for "spiritual protection" in their cult.

Oh are those violent drug cartels that exist from Mexico all the way down to the fields in South America where they grow the drug plants.....just going to give up what they own and control right now?

Will those drug cartels set up their own stores here?

They're going to quit being VIOLENT once they can sell more drugs???

You people are insane to believe they are going to let some Wal Mart to take a cut of their billions.

The Canadian Club Distillery continued to produce throughout prohibition in the US fueling Al Capone's gang. What happend to them after prohibtion was repealled?

Al Capone was importin.....ummmmm...smuggling CC and selling it for a huge profit. Guess what Capone used to protect his turf from rival gangs. It wasn't harse language.
 
Idiot...Al Capone is a peon compared to the hispanic drug gangs that have millions to billions in their coffers in addition to armies of killers to defend their drug trade. Just shut the fuck up.

They aren't going to quit doing what they do when they can sell their drugs at Wal Mart.

You like looking stupid here.....comparing Canadians with hispanic drug cartels that cut people's heads off for "spiritual protection" in their cult.

The Canadian Club Distillery continued to produce throughout prohibition in the US fueling Al Capone's gang. What happend to them after prohibtion was repealled?

Al Capone was importin.....ummmmm...smuggling CC and selling it for a huge profit. Guess what Capone used to protect his turf from rival gangs. It wasn't harse language.
 
Not quite. We pay a very heavy price for alcoholism. The deaths of innocent people, the medical care required as the alcoholic body breaks down. The costs associated with the alcoholic unable to provide for basic necessities for themselves or their families. The crimes committed by drunks. There is no cognitive impairment with coffee or cigarettes. No one has ever claimed diminished capacity for criminal behavior because they had coffee or cigarettes.

We will not survive legalization of drugs. It's a matter of numbers. The number of people who drink solely to get drunk is miniscule to the number of people who have a beer after work or a glass of wine with dinner. The sole purpose of drugs is to get high. Then the user isn't responsible anymore.

Yes quite. You whole theme is wrong. There would be less violence. Most of the crimes associated with drug use happen because of the inflated black market prices. There are very few drunks who turn to crime to feed their alcoholism. Outlaw cigarettes or coffee and I'll bet users of those substances get violent too.

That's what you THINK. In reality most of the crimes associated with drug use happen because the user is HIGH. Joseph Beers didn't kill four people because he needed money to buy drugs. He was high. The guy who ate the face off of an innocent person in the street didn't need money to buy drugs. He was high. Pot smoking kids don't fail in school because they need money to buy pot. They fail because they are drug users. My step Great Granddaughter didn't get hit by a car because her mother needed money to buy drugs, she got hit by a car because mommy was too high to watch her.

I disagree, most crime associated with drug use are property thefts to cover the high cost of the black market drugs. Beers was not licensed to drive and the curve they died on was call Dead Man's Curve for a reason. The cannibal guy was crazy. Children shouldn't get stoned at school. I'm sorry that your step-grand daughter was an irresponsible parent but don't blame it on some substance, it was her fault regardless.
 
Like a typical nanny statist trying to silence differing opinions. But it will not work. Your war against Americans who use non-government approved recreational substances is an abject failure(unless you own stock in one of the prison industries......).

Idiot...Al Capone is a peon compared to the hispanic drug gangs that have millions to billions in their coffers in addition to armies of killers to defend their drug trade. Just shut the fuck up.

They aren't going to quit doing what they do when they can sell their drugs at Wal Mart.

You like looking stupid here.....comparing Canadians with hispanic drug cartels that cut people's heads off for "spiritual protection" in their cult.

Al Capone was importin.....ummmmm...smuggling CC and selling it for a huge profit. Guess what Capone used to protect his turf from rival gangs. It wasn't harse language.
 
Milton Friedman's view on drugs and violence....if you care to watch.

 
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Drugs are bad - no doubt about it, but the drug war is much worse. It does not eradicate them; they are readily availible - so it is a futile effort repleat with it's own deleterious aspects. I believe we are the stewarts of our bodies; that no one can tell you what to put in it, or what not to. You would think we would have learned something with prohibition; whenever you make a substance illicit, you make it lucrative. Educate children to the ill effects of all substances, and then they can choose how they want to live their lives - that is called freedom. We do not have the resources to continue to address this from a punitive persuation. I don't see how anyone can be for alcohol, and cigerettes, but be against other substances - the dicotomy is not understandable; any argument made against one can be leveled against another!
 
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