Reduce gun violence, legalize drugs

[wavingrl]

whatever. there are still 'risks'.

I don't have a 'broad frame of reference'--a boomer, fyi--just not something I would choose for whatever reasons.

Oh.....you were (obviously) in your germinal-stages o' YuppiedomI graduated in '68 & have quitethe 'broad frame of reference'.

Whatta shame you chose not to get more-directly involved. You were most-likely an early-stages Boomer; still locked-into the whole '50s culture​

I suppose so.

Since it was illegal then and is still illegal in GA and likely to remain illegal for an unspecified amount of time it wasn't something that interested me.

 

[akelch]

Freedom-minded types certainly won't like my take, but the history of the entire fucking civilization of mankind says this is a fucked up idea.

China had 90 million opium addicts at one time.

Read this slowly, for comprehension:

'Given the experiences of countries such as Great Britain, Switzerland, The Netherlands, China, Japan, Spain, Egypt, Iran, and Thailand, it is little wonder why countries that traditionally have had lenient drug laws are all moving in the direction of illegalization. '

The Experience of Foreign Countries and Drug Legalization



Sorry to pee in the Wheaties.

No problem....the mistake that most societies make is to blame freedom for people's behavior. As though we know what is best for our fellow man and all we need is a smarter person to tell us how to live.

We also have a history of outlawing Alcohol...did that lower violent crimes?

I gave you the findings of mankind based on the entire history of civilization, and you ignored it and offered up lame esoteric Libertarian theory as to how 'societies' have always gotten it wrong in the past.

No sale.

Didn't ignore it. It failed to address my point. I never said legalizing drugs would lower drug use. But it would lower violent gun crimes.

Here is a article about violent crimes associated with Alcohol...which is much higher then drugs.....should it be illegal again? Would that make society less violent?

http://www.ncadd.org/index.php/learn-about-alcohol/alcohol-and-crime

 

[akelch]

and there seem to be some health risks.

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I knew better than to say that.

Nonetheless, that is my bias.

Choices. Evaluate the risks and consequences.

Prison, yes--in some cases that is a possibility. Illness and death and financial loss and heartbreak for those who must stand by and let the chips fall where they may.

Be my guest. I see nothing positive about this sort of choice.

Sounds like you are talking about Alcohol....maybe tobacco.

 

[SniperFire]

No problem....the mistake that most societies make is to blame freedom for people's behavior. As though we know what is best for our fellow man and all we need is a smarter person to tell us how to live.

We also have a history of outlawing Alcohol...did that lower violent crimes?

I gave you the findings of mankind based on the entire history of civilization, and you ignored it and offered up lame esoteric Libertarian theory as to how 'societies' have always gotten it wrong in the past.

No sale.

Didn't ignore it. It failed to address my point. I never said legalizing drugs would lower drug use. But it would lower violent gun crimes.

Here is a article about violent crimes associated with Alcohol...which is much higher then drugs.....should it be illegal again? Would that make society less violent?

Alcohol Crime

You ignored it, then. LOL

 

[akelch]

I gave you the findings of mankind based on the entire history of civilization, and you ignored it and offered up lame esoteric Libertarian theory as to how 'societies' have always gotten it wrong in the past.

No sale.

Didn't ignore it. It failed to address my point. I never said legalizing drugs would lower drug use. But it would lower violent gun crimes.

Here is a article about violent crimes associated with Alcohol...which is much higher then drugs.....should it be illegal again? Would that make society less violent?

Alcohol Crime

You ignored it, then. LOL

So ...in that article....how much did the gun violence decline with the outlawing of drugs?

 

[SniperFire]

Didn't ignore it. It failed to address my point. I never said legalizing drugs would lower drug use. But it would lower violent gun crimes.

Here is a article about violent crimes associated with Alcohol...which is much higher then drugs.....should it be illegal again? Would that make society less violent?

Alcohol Crime

You ignored it, then. LOL

So ...in that article....how much did the gun violence decline with the outlawing of drugs?

My point was that world history tells us that blanket legalizing drugs is a failure in human culture, rendering any point you are trying to make about the 'upside' of it mute.

It destroys your ridiculous meme.

Hope that helps.

 

[Animus]

Here's what cracks me up about neoCONS; issues like ending the prohibition of drugs, gay rights, abortion etc should be conservative issues. Think about the basic speaking point of smaller government and less big brother in the citizens daily lives. Shit ending the prohibition of drugs should also be a fiscally conservative issue as well. Think about all of the money saved from this money sucking "War on Drugs". But hell, all of you bible thumpers should be reading the bible rather than posting on this board being the typical hypocrites that you are.

 

[akelch]

You ignored it, then. LOL

So ...in that article....how much did the gun violence decline with the outlawing of drugs?

My point was that world history tells us that blanket legalizing drugs is a failure in human culture, rendering any point you are trying to make about the 'upside' of it mute.

It destroys your ridiculous meme.

Hope that helps.

I agree about the evils of drugs....but mankind has many "bad" habits that can destroy our culture. Drugs are just one of them. One can make a case for violent movies, porn, gambling, video games, some music, McDonalds, government welfare, alcohol...etc.

Should people do drugs? NO! Do people do drugs? YES!

Outlawing drugs does not lower violence....it increases it.

To your point about human culture...legalizing drugs and allowing them to be regulated properly will allow for better quality drugs with less side affects and chance for death. Thus improving the health of drug users.

 

[akelch]

Here's what cracks me up about neoCONS; issues like ending the prohibition of drugs, gay rights, abortion etc should be conservative issues. Think about the basic speaking point of smaller government and less big brother in the citizens daily lives. Shit ending the prohibition of drugs should also be a fiscally conservative issue as well. Think about all of the money saved from this money sucking "War on Drugs". But hell, all of you bible thumpers should be reading the bible rather than posting on this board being the typical hypocrites that you are.

I am one of those Bible thumpers.

 

[SniperFire]

So ...in that article....how much did the gun violence decline with the outlawing of drugs?

My point was that world history tells us that blanket legalizing drugs is a failure in human culture, rendering any point you are trying to make about the 'upside' of it mute.

It destroys your ridiculous meme.

Hope that helps.

I agree about the evils of drugs....but mankind has many "bad" habits that can destroy our culture. Drugs are just one of them. One can make a case for violent movies, porn, gambling, video games, some music, McDonalds, government welfare, alcohol...etc.

Should people do drugs? NO! Do people do drugs? YES!

Outlawing drugs does not lower violence....it increases it.

To your point about human culture...legalizing drugs and allowing them to be regulated properly will allow for better quality drugs with less side affects and chance for death. Thus improving the health of drug users.

LOL

Like China and their 90 million opium addicts around the turn of last century.

You anarchists always offer up useless theory which nobody buys. You lack understanding of human nature and the perspective of world history.

 

[SniperFire]

The end of an era as the Dutch change their drug laws | euronews, world news

 

[Mr. Shaman]

You ignored it, then. LOL

So ...in that article....how much did the gun violence decline with the outlawing of drugs?

My point was that world history tells us that blanket legalizing drugs is a failure in human culture......

.....per FAUX Noise!!

There is NO such world history to reference.

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[Mr. Shaman]

Here's what cracks me up about neoCONS; issues like ending the prohibition of drugs, gay rights, abortion etc should be conservative issues.

'Nuff said.....​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

So ...in that article....how much did the gun violence decline with the outlawing of drugs?

My point was that world history tells us that blanket legalizing drugs is a failure in human culture, rendering any point you are trying to make about the 'upside' of it mute.

It destroys your ridiculous meme.

Hope that helps.

I agree about the evils of drugs....but mankind has many "bad" habits that can destroy our culture.

.....For instance, the use of fairy-tale terminology like "evil".

 

[GuyPinestra]

Here's what cracks me up about neoCONS; issues like ending the prohibition of drugs, gay rights, abortion etc should be conservative issues. Think about the basic speaking point of smaller government and less big brother in the citizens daily lives. Shit ending the prohibition of drugs should also be a fiscally conservative issue as well. Think about all of the money saved from this money sucking "War on Drugs". But hell, all of you bible thumpers should be reading the bible rather than posting on this board being the typical hypocrites that you are.

I am one of those Bible thumpers.

Me too...

Genesis 1:29 I give you every herb bearing seed, this shall be to you as food.

 

[akelch]

My point was that world history tells us that blanket legalizing drugs is a failure in human culture, rendering any point you are trying to make about the 'upside' of it mute.

It destroys your ridiculous meme.

Hope that helps.

I agree about the evils of drugs....but mankind has many "bad" habits that can destroy our culture. Drugs are just one of them. One can make a case for violent movies, porn, gambling, video games, some music, McDonalds, government welfare, alcohol...etc.

Should people do drugs? NO! Do people do drugs? YES!

Outlawing drugs does not lower violence....it increases it.

To your point about human culture...legalizing drugs and allowing them to be regulated properly will allow for better quality drugs with less side affects and chance for death. Thus improving the health of drug users.

LOL

Like China and their 90 million opium addicts around the turn of last century.

You anarchists always offer up useless theory which nobody buys. You lack understanding of human nature and the perspective of world history.

Human nature?
Man was created in the image of God. God has given us free will. Man turned his back on God and sin entered the world. Thus mankind's nature is sinful (opposite of God) though we still bare His image. We choose to follow his word or we choose not to.

What laws can stop sin? Are laws meant to control man's behavior...or should they be there to protect people's rights?

I am not anarchist. I believe in limited government that protects people's rights and liberties from being infringed.....aka a Republic. I believe people should be punished if they infringe on others rights and liberties?

Don't you?

 

[SniperFire]

I agree about the evils of drugs....but mankind has many "bad" habits that can destroy our culture. Drugs are just one of them. One can make a case for violent movies, porn, gambling, video games, some music, McDonalds, government welfare, alcohol...etc.

Should people do drugs? NO! Do people do drugs? YES!

Outlawing drugs does not lower violence....it increases it.

To your point about human culture...legalizing drugs and allowing them to be regulated properly will allow for better quality drugs with less side affects and chance for death. Thus improving the health of drug users.

LOL

Like China and their 90 million opium addicts around the turn of last century.

You anarchists always offer up useless theory which nobody buys. You lack understanding of human nature and the perspective of world history.

Human nature?
Man was created in the image of God. God has given us free will. Man turned his back on God and sin entered the world. Thus mankind's nature is sinful (opposite of God) though we still bare His image. We choose to follow his word or we choose not to.

What laws can stop sin? Are laws meant to control man's behavior...or should they be there to protect people's rights?

I am not anarchist. I believe in limited government that protects people's rights and liberties from being infringed.....aka a Republic. I believe people should be punished if they infringe on others rights and liberties?

Don't you?

You anarchists simply continue to ignore the lessons and real experiences of world history and culture, offering up lame, esoteric theory which works no place on earth it has ever been tried.

Your dream of an LSD drive-thru on every corner isn't going to happen. LOL

 

[BlindBoo]

So let's see, you want to legalize drugs which cause people to lose their jobs and family in many cases, thus many of them turn to crime to pay for their habit.

Yeah, more people on drugs and doing crimes means less violence.....uh, wrong.

Also, most "pot" businesses have been getting ROBBED by criminals because they have (drumroll) drugs. So you want more drug businesses and believe they won't get ROBBED by gunpoint? Maybe just knives and not guns, eh?

Seems to me that gang shoots account for most of the gun violence in the US. And since drugs are the gangs number one source of revenue, legalizing drugs would take away their cash flow which in turn would lower the violence.

If people are really serious about saving lives then we need to consider our current laws and how they effort our lives before we think about adding more.

No, with legal and regulated sources the price would drop and the quality would improve. Less need to turn to crime when the prices are reasonable. Like beer, wine, coffee or cigarettes, nobody goes out on a crime spree to pay for those do they?

Businesses should be protected by the police.

 

[BlindBoo]

Oh are those violent drug cartels that exist from Mexico all the way down to the fields in South America where they grow the drug plants.....just going to give up what they own and control right now?

Will those drug cartels set up their own stores here?

They're going to quit being VIOLENT once they can sell more drugs???

You people are insane to believe they are going to let some Wal Mart to take a cut of their billions.

The Canadian Club Distillery continued to produce throughout prohibition in the US fueling Al Capone's gang. What happend to them after prohibtion was repealled?

 

[Katzndogz]

So let's see, you want to legalize drugs which cause people to lose their jobs and family in many cases, thus many of them turn to crime to pay for their habit.

Yeah, more people on drugs and doing crimes means less violence.....uh, wrong.

Also, most "pot" businesses have been getting ROBBED by criminals because they have (drumroll) drugs. So you want more drug businesses and believe they won't get ROBBED by gunpoint? Maybe just knives and not guns, eh?

Seems to me that gang shoots account for most of the gun violence in the US. And since drugs are the gangs number one source of revenue, legalizing drugs would take away their cash flow which in turn would lower the violence.

If people are really serious about saving lives then we need to consider our current laws and how they effort our lives before we think about adding more.

No, with legal and regulated sources the price would drop and the quality would improve. Less need to turn to crime when the prices are reasonable. Like beer, wine, coffee or cigarettes, nobody goes out on a crime spree to pay for those do they?

Businesses should be protected by the police.

Not quite. We pay a very heavy price for alcoholism. The deaths of innocent people, the medical care required as the alcoholic body breaks down. The costs associated with the alcoholic unable to provide for basic necessities for themselves or their families. The crimes committed by drunks. There is no cognitive impairment with coffee or cigarettes. No one has ever claimed diminished capacity for criminal behavior because they had coffee or cigarettes.

We will not survive legalization of drugs. It's a matter of numbers. The number of people who drink solely to get drunk is miniscule to the number of people who have a beer after work or a glass of wine with dinner. The sole purpose of drugs is to get high. Then the user isn't responsible anymore.