Redistribution of wealth

how do you mean?

America didn't get involved in the European theatre of World War 2 until Germany's U-Boats attacked American ships until 1941. By that time, the holocaust was well underway. If America had gotten involved in World War 2 sooner, we could've prevented the deaths of over 20 million people, including 7 million Jews.
 
no. of course not.

Ok, so then what's your point?

If Israel were attacked by Iran, I would immediately enlist in the IDF and personally make it my life goal to shoot ahmadinejad in the head. I doubt he'll be re-elected in Iran next year anyway. Iran is moving to the left.

If America were invaded by an enemy, and right now the only militaries in the world that could challenge us are Russia, China and India, I would enlist in the US military and make it my life's goal to free this country.
 
America didn't get involved in the European theatre of World War 2 until Germany's U-Boats attacked American ships until 1941. By that time, the holocaust was well underway. If America had gotten involved in World War 2 sooner, we could've prevented the deaths of over 20 million people, including 7 million Jews.

i dont think people knew the extent of the holocaust. should we have followed Patton's advice and attacked Russia once the German theatre was over? How many people did Stalin kill?

so now we should be world's police?
 
i dont think people knew the extent of the holocaust. should we have followed Patton's advice and attacked Russia once the German theatre was over? How many people did Stalin kill?

so now we should be world's police?

We already are. Ever heard of Kosvo? Ever heard of Panama? The Gulf War? The second gulf war?
 
Ok, so then what's your point?

If Israel were attacked by Iran, I would immediately enlist in the IDF and personally make it my life goal to shoot ahmadinejad in the head. I doubt he'll be re-elected in Iran next year anyway. Iran is moving to the left.

If America were invaded by an enemy, and right now the only militaries in the world that could challenge us are Russia, China and India, I would enlist in the US military and make it my life's goal to free this country.

i appreciate your willingness to defend the US. what do you mean whats my point? the next terrorist attack may make 9/11 look like a picnic. a lot of the animosity is because we support israel.
 
because their democracy doesn't concern us. our foreign policy needs to change dramatically or it will be America's demise.


Neither does Iraq's I guess, but I see your point. Not much you can do about it though. I would argue your foriegn policy and your "capitalism at all costs" led by your neocon conservatives, has already been your demise. You just don't know it yet.
 
Neither does Iraq's I guess, but I see your point. Not much you can do about it though. I would argue your foriegn policy and your "capitalism at all costs" led by your neocon conservatives, has already been your demise. You just don't know it yet.

we have no business in iraq or iran either. as for your last sentence, I am somewhat aware, but afraid to think of what it might mean.
 
i appreciate your willingness to defend the US. what do you mean whats my point? the next terrorist attack may make 9/11 look like a picnic. a lot of the animosity is because we support israel.

No, a lot of the anomisty is because they're barbaic monsters. If it weren't Israel, it would be some other excuse. They only use Israel as their scapegoat to put pressure on the us to stop supporting Israel. The British Government promised a massive Arab Empire if they uprose against the Ottoman Empire during World War 1. They also promised a Jewish national home in the form of a country being called Palestine. The Arabs didn't like the idea of turning ancient Israel into Palestine, a Jewish national home, so they revolted against the Jews in Palestine. And so here we are today... the Arabs have over 20 countries, the Jews have just 1 and it's not enough for them. And then we find people like you who buy into their argument... *sigh*

I'm done for the night. You've depressed me enough.

DavidS has left the building.
 
No, a lot of the anomisty is because they're barbaic monsters. If it weren't Israel, it would be some other excuse. They only use Israel as their scapegoat to put pressure on the us to stop supporting Israel. The British Government promised a massive Arab Empire if they uprose against the Ottoman Empire during World War 1. They also promised a Jewish national home in the form of a country being called Palestine. The Arabs didn't like the idea of turning ancient Israel into Palestine, a Jewish national home, so they revolted against the Jews in Palestine. And so here we are today... the Arabs have over 20 countries, the Jews have just 1 and it's not enough for them. And then we find people like you who buy into their argument... *sigh*

I'm done for the night. You've depressed me enough.

DavidS has left the building.

the arabs think palestine is sacred. They see Israel as the enemy and the US supports Israel, so therefore they are also the enemy. israel continues to settle in the west bank, which the entire world except the US believes it has no right to do. The jews have one and its not enough for them? so they should just settle on land whether they are entitled to it or not?
 
Can I be really rude and bring up how socialism can work?

Slovenia's economic secrets could be well worth discovering | theage.com.au

IN THE years when Slovenia was part of communist Yugoslavia, it is estimated that up to 30,000 Slovenes - 2% of the entire population - left to settle in Australia. But these days, far more people arrive in Slovenia than leave. Go there, and you understand why.

For one thing, Slovenia and its capital, Ljubljana, have an irresistible charm. In the Financial Times the other day, travel writer Jan Morris called it "the most delightful small country in Europe … God evidently smiles on Ljubljana, as he does on all Slovenes".

But people are not migrating to Slovenia just for its scenery and cafe culture. It's a country that works, one that has chosen its own way to run an economy - a way that has little to do with economic rationalist models - and is developing at an impressive pace, in self-imposed isolation from global financial markets.

You may be struggling to place Slovenia on a map. It's a country of just over 20,000 square kilometres and 2 million people, tucked on what it calls "the sunny side of the Alps", just south of Austria and just east of Venice. It's the westernmost of the six republics that formed the old Yugoslavia. In 1991 it declared its independence, and these days it is part of the European Union and the euro zone.

More at link - an interesting read.
 
Are you who I think you are? Are you a photographer?
sorry dave, i don't own a camera....

anyhow, an interesting banter on terminology exists these days in describing ourselves, and our direction

i would equate it all down to standard of living really

strip those labels of capitalism, socialism, communism, feudalism off and view the middle class's existence objectively

ask if there's an equality to prosperity across the class spectrum, or if a disparity is predominant

subjectively, the disparity here has grown, and of late the institution of socialism for wall street, capitalism remaining only for us on main street simply creates a greater disconnect, discontent, the goal posts move again....
 
No, a lot of the anomisty is because they're barbaic monsters. If it weren't Israel, it would be some other excuse. They only use Israel as their scapegoat to put pressure on the us to stop supporting Israel. The British Government promised a massive Arab Empire if they uprose against the Ottoman Empire during World War 1. They also promised a Jewish national home in the form of a country being called Palestine. The Arabs didn't like the idea of turning ancient Israel into Palestine, a Jewish national home, so they revolted against the Jews in Palestine. And so here we are today... the Arabs have over 20 countries, the Jews have just 1 and it's not enough for them. And then we find people like you who buy into their argument... *sigh*

I'm done for the night. You've depressed me enough.

DavidS has left the building.

Always Support Israel!

As a (political) lefty here on the left cost most of my friends are appalled by my unshakable support for Israel. Yes they are a bit oppressive and do use violence and military force to solve problems, and did steal nuclear secrets from us and did invade Lebanon and did lead to the formation of Hamas...but
The US needs a country with similar interests in the Middle East and that country is Israel. It’s easy to sit in the US and bitch about but come on; Israel is what, 16 miles wide? And surrounded on 3 sides by folks that want to wipe her off the map. I know Egypt recognized her right to exist and all (for which they killed Sadat) but is always just a riot away from turning on Israel again.

We need a country that will bomb things we couldn’t and carry out military operations independent of US support but in support of US interests. Israel was there, it was our Guantanamo before Guantanamo because they are willing to do the dirty work that the US can’t do.

Having a strong powerful and (most of all) stable ally in the middle east is America’s #1 foreign policy objective as it should be considering the oil that flows out of the gulf not only to the US but Japan and Europe as well.
I must admit my admiration for Israel began when I started studding the 6 day war in school, just absolutely amazing, and has continued untarnished by the left’s calls to support n independent Palestine.

I have this nutty conspiracy theory that argues the invasion of Iraq was to create a Middle East Puppet state for the US so that the anti-Zionist Right could abandon Israel. But as I said, it’s nutty.
 
Always Support Israel!

We need a country that will bomb things we couldn’t and carry out military operations independent of US support but in support of US interests. Israel was there, it was our Guantanamo before Guantanamo because they are willing to do the dirty work that the US can’t do.

Having a strong powerful and (most of all) stable ally in the middle east is America’s #1 foreign policy objective as it should be considering the oil that flows out of the gulf not only to the US but Japan and Europe as well.

reads like we're in support of some sort of hitman , so we can maintain an actions/words disconnect Turboswede.....

not that this is anything new, in fact i applaude your honesty

but if it's a logistical relationhip, aren't they more trouble than they're worth?

might i point out Chomsky's 'Israelization of America' for your perusal, for starters in said respect....
 
Yes. In the 1920s and the 1980s-1990s. Taxes were cut from 70% - 25%. That, of course, has a huge impact on the economy.

How'd that work out for us in Oct 1929?

And, given how much we've cut taxes in the last 8 years, how has that worked out for us in Oct. 2008?

But to cut taxes from 27-25% won't have any impact on the economy at all. Raising them won't either... most people won't even be effected by the tax hike unless you're super rich already.

Actually this I agree with.

I seriously doubt cutting taxes some extremely minor amount on the middle class is going to jumpstart the economy.

Neither do I think that raising taxes some minor amount on the wealthy is going to solve the debt crises OR jumpstart the economy, either.

Cadidly, I don't think either candidate has a plan that will actually fix the economy.
 
What is really pathetic, is that there are some videos of Honest John proposing the same type shit and being called a socialist by one of the crowd from a past McCain.

This is another bogeyman to replace real issues like the party in charge for the last 8 years has screwed the pooch and won't accept the blame.
 

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