Record number of uninsured adults...What is the GOP going to do about it?

[Retread Ol' 37]

In my opinion, it is not the duty or constitutional role of the federal government to provide health care to the citizenry.

"To promote the general Welfare..."

 

[editec]

Record number of uninsured adults...What is the GOP going to do about it?

Let them die?

Just a guess, of course, based on what some of you have penned here.

 

[Stephanie]

In my opinion, it is not the duty or constitutional role of the federal government to provide health care to the citizenry.

"To promote the general Welfare..."

LOL, yeah I'm sure that meant giving it's citizens free, housing, food, cars, t.v's weed, booze, INSURANCE, etc etc etc.

 

[haileydavey]

In my opinion, it is not the duty or constitutional role of the federal government to provide health care to the citizenry.

(In a very sarcastic tone) I seem to recall the founding fathers discussing that issue in the process of creating and writing the Constitution.

 

[Intense]

Mitch McConnell already said his number one priority will be to defeat the president in 2012.

Not help the American economy, not help the American people, but defeat the president.

Glad you got your priorities straight, Mitch.

It's called Damage Control, and it is the priority.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Who says anything has to be done about it?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

"To promote the general Welfare..."

This and the Commerce Clause are liberals presumed authority to do whatever the fuck they want to do to anybody they want to do it to.

 

[DiamondDave]

Who says anything has to be done about it?

Exactly

If the ones who have the responsibility of doing something about it would put as much effort into improving themselves and their earnings as they do about bitching and moaning, they would have no problem paying for whatever insurance they want

 

[haileydavey]

In my opinion, it is not the duty or constitutional role of the federal government to provide health care to the citizenry.

"To promote the general Welfare..."

It says promote not provide.

1. to help or encourage to exist or flourish; further: to promote world peace.
2. to advance in rank, dignity, position, etc. ( opposed to demote).
3. Education . to put ahead to the next higher stage or grade of a course or series of classes.
4. to aid in organizing (business undertakings).
5. to encourage the sales, acceptance, etc., of (a product), esp. through advertising or other publicity.
6. Informal . to obtain (something) by cunning or trickery; wangle.

 

[Intense]

Who says anything has to be done about it?

It all depends on what kind of country you want to live in Comrade.

 

[DiamondDave]

In my opinion, it is not the duty or constitutional role of the federal government to provide health care to the citizenry.

"To promote the general Welfare..."

General welfare does not mean the same as take over the personal responsibilities of individual citizens via government redistribution

just as with the part "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;" is taken only in a partial quote by most entitlement junky by leaving out "of the United States"... changing the meaning from being focused on the union to make it appear that it is about government forced charity through entitlements

 

[Greenbeard]

How many of the over 1000 pages of that bill have you read? How many pages has anyone really read? They need to repeal that bill because no average or even above average citizen would take the time to read it or know what is in it. Most Congressmen and Senators who voted for it do not even know what is truly in it. It needs to be dismantled and simplified. Bring it down to 100 pages or less so that politically minded people can and will take the time to read it and not as much junk can be added in.

Here it is, in its entirety, in 68 pages. You can go section-by-section and see everything that's in it.

 

[Intense]

In my opinion, it is not the duty or constitutional role of the federal government to provide health care to the citizenry.

"To promote the general Welfare..."

General welfare does not mean the same as take over the personal responsibilities of individual citizens via government redistribution

just as with the part "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;" is taken only in a partial quote by most entitlement junky by leaving out "of the United States"... changing the meaning from being focused on the union to make it appear that it is about government forced charity through entitlements

Why are we even paying for Public School, when they fail so badly with the basics. It's sad.

 

[Full-Auto]

How many of the over 1000 pages of that bill have you read? How many pages has anyone really read? They need to repeal that bill because no average or even above average citizen would take the time to read it or know what is in it. Most Congressmen and Senators who voted for it do not even know what is truly in it. It needs to be dismantled and simplified. Bring it down to 100 pages or less so that politically minded people can and will take the time to read it and not as much junk can be added in.

Here it is, in its entirety, in 68 pages. You can go section-by-section and see everything that's in it.

Your not going to post the 16000 pages of regulation? Why not? Oh we have to pass it to see WHATS IN IT. It passed whats in it?

 

[haileydavey]

How many of the over 1000 pages of that bill have you read? How many pages has anyone really read? They need to repeal that bill because no average or even above average citizen would take the time to read it or know what is in it. Most Congressmen and Senators who voted for it do not even know what is truly in it. It needs to be dismantled and simplified. Bring it down to 100 pages or less so that politically minded people can and will take the time to read it and not as much junk can be added in.

Here it is, in its entirety, in 68 pages. You can go section-by-section and see everything that's in it.

That is not the bill that passed that is a summary. No where near the same thing.

 

[Greenbeard]

Your not going to post the 16000 pages of regulation? Why not? Oh we have to pass it to see WHATS IN IT. It passed whats in it?

Regulations exist to put the concepts in legislation into practice. A piece of legislation will put forth a general idea but, Congressmen not being experts, they leave it to the executive branch which solicits public comment on rules it produces. So the simplest example of this is the requirement that insurance plans allow children of policyholders to stay on their plans if they choose to up to the age of 26. The part of the law establishing this is very short:

SEC. 2714. EXTENSION OF DEPENDENT COVERAGE.

`(a) In General- A group health plan and a health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage that provides dependent coverage of children shall continue to make such coverage available for an adult child (who is not married) until the child turns 26 years of age. Nothing in this section shall require a health plan or a health insurance issuer described in the preceding sentence to make coverage available for a child of a child receiving dependent coverage.
`(b) Regulations- The Secretary shall promulgate regulations to define the dependents to which coverage shall be made available under subsection (a).
`(c) Rule of Construction- Nothing in this section shall be construed to modify the definition of `dependent' as used in the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 with respect to the tax treatment of the cost of coverage.​

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They throw out the idea and leave it to HHS to fill in the details to make it work. Which is why there's now an interim final rule (20 pages long!) clarifying how this works. But a page count isn't particularly descriptive since the actual rules aren't 20 pages long. Most of the space is taken up by background, estimates of the economic impact and paperwork burdens of the regulation, and even examples (in the form of hypothetical scenarios) that demonstrate how the rule works in practice. So just because a regulation is 20 pages long, that doesn't mean there are actually 20 pages of new rules in it that have to be followed.

But if you want to talk about specific regulations, that's fine with me.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Who says anything has to be done about it?

Exactly

If the ones who have the responsibility of doing something about it would put as much effort into improving themselves and their earnings as they do about bitching and moaning, they would have no problem paying for whatever insurance they want

I remember as a younger man not having health insurance... I worked for a company, I would have had to pay for it, I said "no". Many of the uninsured fall into the 18 - 35 crowd who elect to not have insurance. The idea that something has to be done about this is exactly what the voters said no to last Tuesday.

 

[Greenbeard]

How many of the over 1000 pages of that bill have you read? How many pages has anyone really read? They need to repeal that bill because no average or even above average citizen would take the time to read it or know what is in it. Most Congressmen and Senators who voted for it do not even know what is truly in it. It needs to be dismantled and simplified. Bring it down to 100 pages or less so that politically minded people can and will take the time to read it and not as much junk can be added in.

Here it is, in its entirety, in 68 pages. You can go section-by-section and see everything that's in it.

That is not the bill that passed that is a summary. No where near the same thing.

I thought your complaint was that you didn't know what was in it? That summary will tell you everything that's in the legislation. And if in reading a section's summary you find you want more information, well then you know exactly where to look in the actual legislation.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Your not going to post the 16000 pages of regulation? Why not? Oh we have to pass it to see WHATS IN IT. It passed whats in it?

Regulations exist to put the concepts in legislation into practice. A piece of legislation will put forth a general idea but, Congressmen not being experts, they leave it to the executive branch which solicits public comment on rules it produces. So the simplest example of this is the requirement that insurance plans allow children of policyholders to stay on their plans if they choose to up to the age of 26. The part of the law establishing this is very short:

SEC. 2714. EXTENSION OF DEPENDENT COVERAGE.

`(a) In General- A group health plan and a health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage that provides dependent coverage of children shall continue to make such coverage available for an adult child (who is not married) until the child turns 26 years of age. Nothing in this section shall require a health plan or a health insurance issuer described in the preceding sentence to make coverage available for a child of a child receiving dependent coverage.
`(b) Regulations- The Secretary shall promulgate regulations to define the dependents to which coverage shall be made available under subsection (a).
`(c) Rule of Construction- Nothing in this section shall be construed to modify the definition of `dependent' as used in the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 with respect to the tax treatment of the cost of coverage.​

​

They throw out the idea and leave it to HHS to fill in the details to make it work. Which is why there's now an interim final rule (20 pages long!) clarifying how this works. But a page count isn't particularly descriptive since the actual rules aren't 20 pages long. Most of the space is taken up by background, estimates of the economic impact and paperwork burdens of the regulation, and even examples (in the form of hypothetical scenarios) that demonstrate how the rule works in practice. So just because a regulation is 20 pages long, that doesn't mean there are actually 20 pages of new rules in it that have to be followed.

But if you want to talk about specific regulations, that's fine with me.

When did we start classifying 26 year-olds as children.. WTF????

 

[Defiant1]

Record number of uninsured adults...What is the GOP going to do about it?

Nothing.

In a related story 46% of US adults don't have a keyboard equipped cell phone and are experiencing fingertip injuries from excessive button pushing.

In addition 95% of the 46% only have one premium cable channel and feel inadequate, causing them to suffer bouts of depression.