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Of course people died at the prison/work camps.I never ever said that the prison camps didn't exist.
Of course they did.
And many were liberated by the allied soldiers.
So what is it you doubt about the holocaust? That people actually died?
They died of starvation, disease, over work, and some where executed.
I just don't believe the current facts support that 6 million parished at these camps.
Plus the evidence is very weak that the prison/ work camps were giant death factorys complete with gas chambers and furnaces for mass extermanation
The victors write the history of any conflictOf course people died at the prison/work camps.So what is it you doubt about the holocaust? That people actually died?
They died of starvation, disease, over work, and some where executed.
I just don't believe the current facts support that 6 million parished at these camps.
Plus the evidence is very weak that the prison/ work camps were giant death factorys complete with gas chambers and furnaces for mass extermanation
13 million died in the camps dumb ass, not just Jews either. The evidence is anything BUT weak, we have first hand accounts from survivors and in some cases guards, we have first hand accounts from allied and Soviet liberators of those camps. We have court records of trials with evidence and testimony also. We have pictures, documents and much more. Your denial is ignorance.
Ever read A People's History of the United States?
I have, ED.
I took classes with Zinn. He was my GF's academic advisor.
It's a great book, but it's not really a great history book.
The book really isn't a historic study, it's more his political POV applied to the some parts of the history of the US.
The study of history can be the study of nearly anything, be it a grand overview or an indepth study of one small aspect of something in history
It's not just what the governments did, it's also what the people did, for example.
History is really everything that happened.
Now, for most people history is merely the grand overview of what happens to nations, and that's certainly okay.
One can study the history of America by studying what the leaders do, or one can also study American history by studying what the lives of the people were like, how what the government did or did not do effected those people.
Both approaches are equally valid, but they're likely to bring you to very different POVs about American history.
Incidently both POV's can be correct even though they can be very different.
That's exactly why things like woman's history or Black studies, or economic history, or social history are as important as the grand overview approach to history.
The best truth I have found is Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast.
Another is The Secret History of the American Empire By John Perkins
I like James Loewen's beliefs that history should NOT be taught as straightforward facts and dates to memorize, but an in-depth analysis of the context and root causes of events.
I advocate that approach for all subjects...it's much more important to have knowledge with depth and scope that it is to know dates and facts...too often students are taught to pass a test...it creates a disconnect to WHY events occur...
It is the root cause of WHY our education system is falling behind the rest of the world.
Our failure to support the study of history (and the other social sciences, and humanities too) is the reason that our nation is rapidly becoming a tyrannical shithole, I'll grant that.
We're so fucking hot to turn out science and math majors to turn out bombs and Iphones that we don't really know who to bomb or who to call when things get wierd.
A people who don't have a good sense of their own history are sheep waiting to be being driven to the slaughter.
Ever read A People's History of the United States?
I have, ED.
I took classes with Zinn. He was my GF's academic advisor.
NO WAY. That is awesome, Editec!!!
It's a great book, but it's not really a great history book.
The book really isn't a historic study, it's more his political POV applied to the some parts of the history of the US.
The study of history can be the study of nearly anything, be it a grand overview or an indepth study of one small aspect of something in history
It's not just what the governments did, it's also what the people did, for example.
History is really everything that happened.
Now, for most people history is merely the grand overview of what happens to nations, and that's certainly okay.
One can study the history of America by studying what the leaders do, or one can also study American history by studying what the lives of the people were like, how what the government did or did not do effected those people.
Both approaches are equally valid, but they're likely to bring you to very different POVs about American history.
Incidently both POV's can be correct even though they can be very different.
That's exactly why things like woman's history or Black studies, or economic history, or social history are as important as the grand overview approach to history.
I agree that the book is seen through a particular lens, but it's like what you say, instead of focusing on what leaders do, it's more focused on people, and people movements, and popular struggles, and just generally on things you don't hear too much about. Either way, we can both agree it is recommendable reading.
The victors write the history of any conflict
WWII was no different
.So why are you against the Holocaust being examined and historically debated???I like James Loewen's beliefs that history should NOT be taught as straightforward facts and dates to memorize, but an in-depth analysis of the context and root causes of events.
I advocate that approach for all subjects...it's much more important to have knowledge with depth and scope that it is to know dates and facts...too often students are taught to pass a test...it creates a disconnect to WHY events occur...
It is the root cause of WHY our education system is falling behind the rest of the world.
Our failure to support the study of history (and the other social sciences, and humanities too) is the reason that our nation is rapidly becoming a tyrannical shithole, I'll grant that.
We're so fucking hot to turn out science and math majors to turn out bombs and Iphones that we don't really know who to bomb or who to call when things get wierd.
A people who don't have a good sense of their own history are sheep waiting to be being driven to the slaughter.
I'm not.
What I'm against is people like you who apparently know nothing about history pretending that just because you've read some lying nonsense I must forget everything I know about history and pretend to give that nonsense credibility.
Here's a fucking wake-call for you, sport.
My first father-inlaw actually liberated one the camps that your fake historians swear never existed.
If you want to believe lies, be my guest.
But understand that you'll never convince me that everything I know about that history is wrong because I actually know (or knew since they're dying off, now) people who were there.
So let's recap who I am why I belive what I believe, shall we?
I am an historian who not only studied the history of NAZI germany in university, but I also personally knew two survivers (tatoos intact) and one liberator of the death camps that the NAZIs created. These were not caual relationships, I KNEW these people.
You're the world is flat historical nonsese just isn't going to wash with me, sport.
What's more I doubt even you are stupid enough to believe the blather you're attempting to pass off as fact.
