Reasons why progressives desire "universal healthcare"?

[TNHarley]

Then outlaw health insurance and get the govt out of it.

So you'll trust the government to make and enforce a law to outlaw health insurance but not to provide it. How many private insurers have helped patch up our wounded soldiers on the battlefield? Who else was going to do it?

Our govt should take care of our soldiers. Not our citizens.

Too bad. They do it anyway long after our soldiers come home and return to being citizens again. No one listens to you.

I have no problem with that. More times than not, the healthcare needed is result from military service.
I know they dont. Humans seem to be naturally statist and irresponsible.
Our founders died in vain.

 

[Brain357]

You have an example of a successful system like that?

No. Do you have examples of our corrupt govt running healthcare for 330m people successfully?
Healthcare was FINE before the govt got involved.

Nope, but we do have other country examples. When was healthcare fine? Cost has been skyrocketing a long time.

No we dont. You cant compare another country to ours.
It was fine before govt got involved. Look at the graphs in this thread and research govt healthcare reform.
It was FINE before. Govt is, 9 times out of 10, NOT the answer.

Of course we can study other systems. Would be silly not to.

So tell me when it was so good. You dodged the question.

Now it’s a mess. Get something done and you get many bills and they come for months. A confusing mess.

How can you compare a country with 30m people to 330m people? Morethan half wont even be paying for it.
You cant compare, way too many variables.
1930s

You need to look at examples. Clearly you need to account for population.

1930s? Geez what kinda things did they even fix then?

 

[martybegan]

And giving government another lever to control the "undesirable"

"Hey Mr Conservative, don't like government healthcare? 5 month wait for you"

Cool story.

You know wanna be thugs like you would leap at the opportunity.

Right. I want all people to have quality healthcare makes me a thug.

Your "logic" process is breath-taking.

it makes you a government stooge.

and they won't get quality, and I will end up paying more for less because I didn't fuck my life up and have a good job.

I will get stuck waiting with assholes who made poor life decisions, but make enough to pay more for less, yet not enough to go to the clinics all our "betters" will go to.

You're not just drinking what your masters are feeding you, you've got your mouth wide open and directly on the faucet.

Can't refute my actual points you commie fuck?

 

[martybegan]

Ok, then lets go with a public option plan that gives people choice between public and private.

That's what every other educated country has.
Even the UK

Just wait for the inevitable - "Yeah but don't you know that those countries are much smaller!!!"

Move there you commie fuck.

That was the next canned response I was going to go with. Glad you did the legwork for me.

Terrific foul mouths.
Just zero college white rubes?

Masters in ChemE, which is why I like my health insurance the way it is, and why I liked it way better before Obamacare started forcing high deductible plans on people like me.

 

[martybegan]

Yes, because healthcare run like the DMV will make the people happy.

Then you will bitch about lower doctor quality and longer waits.

Ok, then lets go with a public option plan that gives people choice between public and private.

Subsidized with my taxes for no benefit to me?
Fuck off.

No benefit to you? So you want get sick so you see the benefits??

i will pay more because I make more, but will get the same level of service as people who pay nothing due to poor life decisions.

No, you won't. Not under a public option. If you want to pay for better/faster service, you can.

Quick, to the talking points machine!

The public option will be subsidized, where does that subsidy come from?

 

[CWayne]

Reasons why progressives desire "universal healthcare"? Choose up to three.

Power

 

[martybegan]

Yes, because healthcare run like the DMV will make the people happy.

Then you will bitch about lower doctor quality and longer waits.

Ok, then lets go with a public option plan that gives people choice between public and private.

Subsidized with my taxes for no benefit to me?
Fuck off.

No benefit to you? So you want get sick so you see the benefits??

i will pay more because I make more, but will get the same level of service as people who pay nothing due to poor life decisions.

No, you won't. Not under a public option. If you want to pay for better/faster service, you can.

Quick, to the talking points machine!

The public option will have to be subsidized, where do you think that money will come from?

Just wait for the inevitable - "Yeah but don't you know that those countries are much smaller!!!"

Move there you commie fuck.

That was the next canned response I was going to go with. Glad you did the legwork for me.

Do it, dickless.

My oh my, our uneducated rubes are out today.
Must be socialist benefits day.
Our rubes are so dumb they don't know their benefits are socialist.

Shhhh, he's a self made man who lives off the land and everything he has he earned all by himself. He paved his own roads and even started his own Fire company to deal with any fires that impact his property. He also pays for all of his own medical expenses out of his pocket.

Ah, the old "you didn't build that" bullshit.

I pay taxes for the rest, and those services are used by me as well. Paying for someone else's healthcare while making mine worse is crossing the Rubicon.

 

[martybegan]

Control.

Exactly.


Libs love to micromanage other people lives, and tell them what to do. That's what liberalism is about. Not "sharing" or anything else.

It's actually progressive statism. The term liberalism was co-opted by them decades ago.

 

[Brain357]

That's what every other educated country has.
Even the UK

Just wait for the inevitable - "Yeah but don't you know that those countries are much smaller!!!"

Move there you commie fuck.

That was the next canned response I was going to go with. Glad you did the legwork for me.

Terrific foul mouths.
Just zero college white rubes?

Masters in ChemE, which is why I like my health insurance the way it is, and why I liked it way better before Obamacare started forcing high deductible plans on people like me.

So the most expensive system is your thing eh?

 

[Polishprince]

Just wait for the inevitable - "Yeah but don't you know that those countries are much smaller!!!"

Move there you commie fuck.

That was the next canned response I was going to go with. Glad you did the legwork for me.

Terrific foul mouths.
Just zero college white rubes?

Masters in ChemE, which is why I like my health insurance the way it is, and why I liked it way better before Obamacare started forcing high deductible plans on people like me.

So the most expensive system is your thing eh?

With me, I'm interested in quality doctors. Not a government assigned physician who may or may not be an incompetent Quack.

And that's what I don't care about the "Medicare for all" or "Socialized Medicine" schemes. If I have a problem with the terminal end of my alimentary canal, I want to see an expert proctologist who has good depth perception, not someone who used to work for Roto Rooter.

Not every doctor has the same competency.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

If we want to declare ourselves as the greatest country on the planet, we should probably act like it.

That begins with taking care of our own.

And ends with us NOT taking care of everybody else and their security at our expense. The world owes us a dick sucking!

.

 

[konradv]

Reasons why progressives desire "universal healthcare"? Choose up to three.

Because you get so butthurt when we do.

 

[martybegan]

Just wait for the inevitable - "Yeah but don't you know that those countries are much smaller!!!"

Move there you commie fuck.

That was the next canned response I was going to go with. Glad you did the legwork for me.

Terrific foul mouths.
Just zero college white rubes?

Masters in ChemE, which is why I like my health insurance the way it is, and why I liked it way better before Obamacare started forcing high deductible plans on people like me.

So the most expensive system is your thing eh?

The system works for me, and it worked better before Obamacare. Why would I want government even more involved in it when the last time I got screwed over?

 

[DBA]

Reasons why progressives desire "universal healthcare"? Choose up to three.

Other - Compassion

LOL..says the party who gives the LEAST to charity. Funny stuff.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

The Democrats seek to eventually gain federal control over the entire economy. Healthcare is currently approximately 1/6 of that, a fair chunck.

 

[alang1216]

Reasons why progressives desire "universal healthcare"? Choose up to three.

Other - Compassion

LOL..says the party who gives the LEAST to charity. Funny stuff.

If you define churches and private schools as charities, you are probably right.

 

[Polishprince]

Reasons why progressives desire "universal healthcare"? Choose up to three.

Other - Compassion

LOL..says the party who gives the LEAST to charity. Funny stuff.

If you define churches and private schools as charities, you are probably right.

Schools and churches are charities. Teaching the next generation is an important work

 

[Grumblenuts]

Yep, just charities. All volunteer. Zero tax burden no less..

(this is like.. the just say any wacko thing section, right?)

 

[alang1216]

Reasons why progressives desire "universal healthcare"? Choose up to three.

Other - Compassion

LOL..says the party who gives the LEAST to charity. Funny stuff.

If you define churches and private schools as charities, you are probably right.

Schools and churches are charities. Teaching the next generation is an important work

The IRS agrees that schools and churches are charities, that should make you happy. Dems tend to be less religious.

Teaching the next generation is important work, but there is a fundamental difference in philosophy. Dems tend to think schools should be free and open to the public and public schools should be fully supported, not starved for funds, and are willing to tax themselves to pay for it.

 

[Rustic]

If we want to declare ourselves as the greatest country on the planet, we should probably act like it.

That begins with taking care of our own.

Lol
Making anything mandatory is not taking care of anybody... It’s controlling everybody