Reason for Right to Bear Arms

[JakeStarkey]

Read Heller.

The far left is every bit as silly as the far right on this issue.

We the People have the right to bear arms independent of being in the militia.

We the People have the right regulate that right because it is not absolute.

Yeah, the right to bear arms is independent of militia membership.

End of that story.

The phrase was not "militia membership". It was "militia requirements". You ended the wrong story.

 

[SniperFire]

Women didn't have the same rights as men..initially.

The modern definition of militia still excludes women. See Prichard's post.

Does the right to bear arms exist independent of militia requirements, or not?

A simple yes or no would do here.

No.

Fail.

'Decision
The Supreme Court held:[43]
(1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. '

District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[regent]

The founders didn't often give us the reason for an amendment but they took the time and effort to give us the reason for the 2nd amendment in the amendment itself. Some, including the Supreme Court, now choose to ignore the founders reason.

 

[SniperFire]

The founders didn't often give us the reason for an amendment but they took the time and effort to give us the reason for the 2nd amendment in the amendment itself. Some, including the Supreme Court, now choose to ignore the founders reason.

The Founders knew you totalitarian central planners would eventually come for the guns.

 

[9thIDdoc]

The founders didn't often give us the reason for an amendment but they took the time and effort to give us the reason for the 2nd amendment in the amendment itself. Some, including the Supreme Court, now choose to ignore the founders reason.

Sorry, they got it right; not you. And it is you who chooses to ignore it if we would let you. But we won't.

 

[regent]

The founders didn't often give us the reason for an amendment but they took the time and effort to give us the reason for the 2nd amendment in the amendment itself. Some, including the Supreme Court, now choose to ignore the founders reason.

The Founders knew you totalitarian central planners would eventually come for the guns.

If the founders were able to know there would be totalitarian central planners coming for guns in the future, they surely must have known that guns would change over the years to weapons of mass killing. Mass killing not by the military but those that chose to mass kill and could afford to buy a mass killing weapon. I guess the founders also recognized that mass killers had rights to obtain mass killing weapons so they could engage in mass killings just as the military?
For some reason I don't believe that.

 

[SniperFire]

The founders didn't often give us the reason for an amendment but they took the time and effort to give us the reason for the 2nd amendment in the amendment itself. Some, including the Supreme Court, now choose to ignore the founders reason.

The Founders knew you totalitarian central planners would eventually come for the guns.

If the founders were able to know there would be totalitarian central planners coming for guns in the future, they surely must have known that guns would change over the years to weapons of mass killing. Mass killing not by the military but those that chose to mass kill and could afford to buy a mass killing weapon. I guess the founders also recognized that mass killers had rights to obtain mass killing weapons so they could engage in mass killings just as the military?
For some reason I don't believe that.

Double non-sequitur, not worthy of response.

 

[eflatminor]

They didn't intend Americans to own every kind of gun imaginable, that is for sure.

Who told you this?

Do you honestly believe, that over 200 years ago, the founding fathers intended for you to own every single gun you ever wanted?

Absolutely. They intended for The People to be armed every bit as well as a standing army. That's the point.

 

[regent]

The Founders knew you totalitarian central planners would eventually come for the guns.

If the founders were able to know there would be totalitarian central planners coming for guns in the future, they surely must have known that guns would change over the years to weapons of mass killing. Mass killing not by the military but those that chose to mass kill and could afford to buy a mass killing weapon. I guess the founders also recognized that mass killers had rights to obtain mass killing weapons so they could engage in mass killings just as the military?
For some reason I don't believe that.

Double non-sequitur, not worthy of response.

Well wait for time and something might come to you.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, they did not. No guided-missile frigate for you on the bayou.

Who told you this?

Do you honestly believe, that over 200 years ago, the founding fathers intended for you to own every single gun you ever wanted?

Absolutely. They intended for The People to be armed every bit as well as a standing army. That's the point.

 

[9thIDdoc]

 

[JakeStarkey]

Come on, 9thID, check your sources, please. The real quote and source is:

from Washington's First Annual Address to Congress, January 8, 1790 : "A free people ought not only be armed but disciplined; to which end, a uniform and well digested plan is requisite: And their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent on others, for essential, particularly for military supplies."

 

[BlindBoo]

The militias were a seasonal fighting force. During the off season they wanted to ensure that the militiamen would have the right to keep their weapons in their homes. It was good for a moble fighting force. They were quite worried about the Britts. Hunting also was not as much a sport as a way of living. The frontier was also full of savage natives as well.

They didn't have modern bullets either. No automatic guns. No Rifles.

 

[Pheonixops]

They didn't intend Americans to own every kind of gun imaginable, that is for sure.

Where did they specify that? They had cannons in those days right? Did it state they "had the right to bear arms, except for cannons"? Did they state that they had to approve of the "arms"?

 

[J.E.D]

They didn't intend Americans to own every kind of gun imaginable, that is for sure.

Who told you this?

I believe the Constitution told her that. Show where it says you can possess any weapon you please.

 

[Pheonixops]

Nice quote!!!!

 

[Luddly Neddite]

They didn't intend Americans to own every kind of gun imaginable, that is for sure.

Who told you this?

Do you honestly believe, that over 200 years ago, the founding fathers intended for you to own every single gun you ever wanted?

Or that they had any idea of what would become available.

More important is that they had no idea people would use it as an excuse to arm criminals, the mentally ill and child killers.

To the gun nuts - where, in the Constitution, are you guaranteed the right to own 30-round clips and assault rifles. WHERE, in the Constitution, are you given the right to take away these rights:

...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...

Would you argue that those 27 people lost those rights to that shooter?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Be very thankful your side does not have you arguing for it before courts.

They didn't intend Americans to own every kind of gun imaginable, that is for sure.

Where did they specify that? They had cannons in those days right? Did it state they "had the right to bear arms, except for cannons"? Did they state that they had to approve of the "arms"?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Inaccurate quote. Look above and learn.

Nice quote!!!!

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Nice quote!!!!

And, it made perfect sense - then. While it continues to be true in principle, the reality of it is nonsensical.

If every man, woman and child in the US (and in some states, fetuses ... ) owned 10 military assault rifles and endless ammo for their high capacity clips, they would not even be a gnat on the butt of the US military.

I wonder why some people don't seem to understand that.