Real Racism: A History of the Democratic Party

[poet]

LOL,

Blacks are never blamed for their violence or inability to join civilization. The democrats of the south before 1960 were right to want separation. The truth is blacks were better off as they had 1# A strong family structure, 2# local economy within the black community that hired blacks, 3# had some of the best music ever made.

What do blacks have today? Welfare, violence and are brainwashed into voting for a party. lol You can't make this shit up!!! It is a cycle of dependency and idiocy.

What should we of done? For one we should of gave them equal rights within our society, of course, but we should of treated them equal and expected more out of them. We made a mistake of treating them as the victim and driving the message into their minds that we're just wrong. Big mistake. We really needed to bring them into our society thinking that they need to meet a high standard and as our equal.

What bs and lies! "Inability to join civilization"????? I guess you think that Aurora, Sandy Hook, Okla City, Ruby Ridge, and Boston were attempts on the parts of whites, exemplifying "civilization"????
You say that the Dems of the South before 1960, were right to want separation. What the fuck do you think that the Repubs of 2013 represent? That same mindset, because, they are, in fact, the Dems of the South before 1960, today.
And newsflash, "a strong family structure" is relative, and whites don't have the corner on that market. A local economy by blacks and for blacks has existed for at least a hundred years. Music, is, again, relative.
What do blacks have today???? More than welfare. The largest group benefiting from welfare are "whites" (with stats to back it up). Violence? LOL. Blacks don't hold the corner on that market , either. And blacks vote overwhelmingly "Democratic" for obvious reasons, none of which constitutes being awarded "free stuff" or being kept on a plantation, literally or figuratively. One could sooner point out your dependency on a party serving only rich white men...and you only can be prescribed two out of those three criteria.
And I'm so glad you are finally taking responsibility for your kind in starting all this crap...

Dr. Ron Smothermon, in his self-help book, "Winning Through Enlightenment" said of "race", "...(1)The foundation stone is a belief called "'Race' is a natural
condition." (2)This belief supports the justification "There is a
natural division of humankind". (3) This gives rise to a point of view
called "They are naturally the way they are". (4) This point of view
then
makes it possible to prepare people for mistreatment by segregation.
At that point, the whole thing surfaces and mistreatment is called
"mistreatment". The important thing to realize here is that
mistreatment could not occur without its supporting structure.
This process can easily be applied to other areas of human
relationships wherein people are mistreated. And the root of it all is
a mind condition, namely, a belief. This belief is so ingrained that
for many people there is no such thing as questioning it. It is a
perfect example that the mind defines and shapes what we ordinarily
think of as reality. None of us are above it. You do it too, Even you.
Underlying even a belief such as " 'race' is a natural condition" is
the ground of being that we are the contents of our minds, and there
is no way we can ever be more than the sum of our parts. This is the
base lie that endarkens the world. You know, you can give up being a
racist and you will still be who you are. Your life will still be
naturally valuable. You will survive. The world will not end. And you
can still contribute to it. Treat people as who they are, not who you
believe they are. Finally, I want you to know the ultimate truth about
"race": THERE IS NO SUCH THING."

So, the answer is for you, to be bigger than your natural propensity to judge people by the color of their skin. Most racism by blacks is the knee jerk reaction to your racism towards them. And who do you think did it, or does it "first"? And all you have to do is to follow the Golden Rule to get the result you so desire.

 

[JakeStarkey]

LOL,

Blacks are never blamed for their violence or inability to join civilization. The democrats of the south before 1960 were right to want separation. The truth is blacks were better off as they had 1# A strong family structure, 2# local economy within the black community that hired blacks, 3# had some of the best music ever made.

What do blacks have today? Welfare, violence and are brainwashed into voting for a party. lol You can't make this shit up!!!

What should we of done? For one we should of gave them equal rights within our society, of course, but we should of treated them equal and expected more out of them. We made a mistake of treating them as the victim and driving the message into their minds that we're just wrong. Big mistake. We really needed to bring them into our society thinking that they need to meet a high standard and as our equal.

Very well reasoned post, Matt.

Ok now, this is just getting weird. You start a thread complaining about those racist Democrats who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights act, then somebody comes in and says blacks were better off under Jim Crow, and you agree with him

Any defender of Jim Crow and the life of blacks under it is a racist and a fool and perhaps a dangerous sociopath.

 

[Pheonixops]

I hear of Liberal Democrats championing the causes of racial and gender equality in America today, while admirable, they have ignored their own history. Now, for a little history lesson. Let's do a little research shall we? Let us see who has been more detrimental to the causes of equality. Pay attention students, there will be a quiz at the end of this essay!

During the 1860s, Southern Democrats continually advocated the use of slavery. It took a Republican to slay these racial demons with the 13th Amendment. A major advocate of this being Frederick Douglass, a black Republican abolitionist, diplomat and former slave from Maryland.

During Antebellum, racial equality was continually hampered even after the 13th Amendment's passage; by Democrats who were taking ever increasing majorities in local, state and federal offices, especially during the 1880's. This eventually led to the instatement the Jim Crow laws. In 1875, attempts were made by Republicans to break Jim Crow, it was however, thwarted by Democrats. It was during this time the Democratic Party gave birth to the KKK.

For nearly a century, Jim Crow ruled over the land with an iron fist. Nary a black man anywhere could be treated equally, because of the racial hatred of the Democratic Party. These laws were finally ended by the Supreme Court Decision of 1954, Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka. Ironically, in 1963, it was Democrats who launched major opposition to the Equal Pay Act, which effectively ended the gender pay disparity in the workplace.

In 1964, Democrats were once again fighting to stop racial equality in the states. They fought tooth and nail against the Civil Rights act of 1964, with a former Klansman leading the charge. As a Democratic Senator Richard Russell from Georgia put it: "We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our (Southern) states."

Then there was the famous Democratic Senator Strom Thurmond from South Carolina who was even moreso candid than Russell in his opposition, stating that "This so-called Civil Rights Proposals, which the President has sent to Capitol Hill for enactment into law, are unconstitutional, unnecessary, unwise and extend beyond the realm of reason. This is the worst civil-rights package ever presented to the Congress and is reminiscent of the Reconstruction proposals and actions of the radical Republican Congress."

For 57 days they filibustered the bill, until Senator Everett Dirksen (R-IL) shamed them into relenting. The Bill was signed into law by Lyndon Johnson in the Summer of 1964. The next year, the same Congress passed the Voting Rights Act.

Not long after that, Southern Democrats began defecting to the Republican Party, after the Democratic Party had shifted its focus towards its more moderate voting bloc to the north, and thusly polluting it for generations to come with their racial pragmatism.

Where were Democrats? I thought they claimed to be the party of equality? Yet history is riddled with examples of their racial hatred towards African Americans. It's sad in a way to think how they have warped and twisted their minds into believing the current platforms in place today, kept ignorant of the history that precedes the Democratic Party.

Here's my question, which party has stood for equality over the past 150 years? How does this meld with the current platforms Liberal Democrats advocate today? I leave that for you to decide.

Democrats have had a shameful record vis-a-vis racism until fifty or sixty years ago, but Liberals have consistently led the fight against racism. Conservatives, however are always in the vanguard defending racism and inequality. Would you care to make a distinction, as you post clearly does not, between political parties and political ideologies?

If you could give examples of stalwart Conservatives who fought racism, I'd be very curious to see such a list. For you see, political parties change their ideologies over time while the foundational principles of political ideology remain steadfast. No Conservative ever advocated for minority rights. No Conservative ever advocated for expanded rights for women or children or homosexuals or African Americans or workers or the environment.

Over the years, various Republicans and Democrats have provided such leadership, but they were nowhere near what the contemporary Conservative recognizes as his own.

You ask which party has stood for equality over the past 150 years? I ask you what political ideology has stood for equality? Here are some things to contemplate: What is the Conservative stance on marriage equality? What is the Conservative stance on pay equity? What is the Conservative stance on worker's rights? What is the Conservative stance on immigration? And how do those various stances serve equality for minorities?

Bravo! Well reasoned post.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Dems, yes dems, who despite their claimed affiliation, were still Democrats. Loving how you completely ignored the rest of the OP just to find something remotely wrong with it. What part of "Democrats followed the Republican lead on civil rights" did you not understand, you witless moron?

Key word being WERE dems...NOW Repubs lol. Its right there on your own OP lol

Looks like buck just kicked your ass, have a nice afternoon being butthurt!

No matter what bucks post it doesn't change the fact that you destroyed your own op...on the op. LOL. Bucks can't help you

 

[poet]

In no way can you compare me to the white Southern racist trash you were referring to. One, I'm not a racist...as I wasn't "raised" that way, and have been an ambassador for benign race relations, since I was a child. I have so many white friends who would vouch for me and dispel your accusations as "ill-founded" and "borderline insanity". Two, I know of no "black racist trash" in the Democratic party. Are there black people who despise white people and who vote Democratic? Of course. I wouldn't be one of them.
And Buckeye would be closer to you than he would be to me....he's of your race, isn't he? And "cann" the familiarity....in no way am I your "bro".

(1) You are racist, and apparently were educated that way.

LOL. Attended "mixed" kindergarten, 1st, 3rd, 4th, (skipped 5th), 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th grades. And 2 years at Univ. of Houston. Hardly "educated, that way".

(2) Many white racists say they have black friends C"who would vouch for [them] and dispel [racist] accusations as 'ill-founded' and 'borderline insanity'.

Uh, I'm not them or none of those. What? You want phone numbers? Email addresses? Testimonies? That might be valid, if you were of some importance, however, you are not. I don't have to defend myself to the likes of you or your ilk. You don't want to believe it. Don't. So what? But you can't then say, that you know, for sure, that I'm lying, or that any one of my white friends wouldn't cuss your ass out, for making such an asinine accusation towards me.

(3) I know many blacks who are racist and members of the Democratic Party.

Really? What if I say, I don't believe you. How do you know them? Many? Why would you know them? Is it because you hang around racist black Democrats? Explain that shit.

(4) You and buckeyes are racialist siblings under the skin.

Fuck you. You don't know me...and I wouldn't give either of you, the sweat off my behind if you were dying of thirst. He is the same coin as you...not the "flip side".

(5) You don't get that race is not about actual color, it is about the perverse understandings about others that folks group under the title "race".

I subscribe to the following view:
In one of favorite books, "Winning through Enlightenment", by Dr. Ron
Smothermon, of racism, he writes,
"Mankind has played a cruel joke on itself by exercising the ability
to adapt skin color to climatic conditions. There are certain areas of
the world where the intensity of sun exposure renders survival
difficult for white-skinned people. Man, the consummate survivor,
naturally figured a way around being fried by the sun. Merely disperse
the melanin pigment of the skin evenly, and develop a bit more of it,
and presto! Automatic protection from the sun.

Nature did this much. The mind of man did the rest. Of course skin
color isn't the only physical characteristic humanity uses to divide
itself, but it serves admirably to demonstrate a principle.
Biologically speaking, the is no "race", except at track meets. Race
is a false concept invented by the mind of man for the purpose of
dominating and manipulating others. The specific location of "race"
within the mind is in that is in that part known as "belief systems".
A belief exists that there is a "natural" division of people. Resting
on this belief is a system of justification making it OK to segregate
some from others. Further justification makes it OK to think of the
other race as naturally inferior or whatever. Both of these are
positions or points of view. So the structure goes like this:

(1)The foundation stone is a belief called "'Race' is a natural
condition." (2)This belief supports the justification "There is a
natural division of humankind". (3) This gives rise to a point of view
called "They are naturally the way they are". (4) This point of view
then
makes it possible to prepare people for mistreatment by segregation.
At that point, the whole thing surfaces and mistreatment is called
"mistreatment". The important thing to realize here is that
mistreatment could not occur without its supporting structure.

This process can easily be applied to other areas of human
relationships wherein people are mistreated. And the root of it all is
a mind condition, namely, a belief. This belief is so ingrained that
for many people there is no such thing as questioning it. It is a
perfect example that the mind defines and shapes what we ordinarily
think of as reality. None of us are above it. You do it too, Even you.

Underlying even a belief such as " 'race' is a natural condition" is
the ground of being that we are the contents of our minds, and there
is no way we can ever be more than the sum of our parts. This is the
base lie that endarkens the world. You know, you can give up being a
racist and you will still be who you are. Your life will still be
naturally valuable. You will survive. The world will not end. And you
can still contribute to it. Treat people as who they are, not who you
believe they are. Finally, I want you to know the ultimate truth about
"race": THERE IS NO SUCH THING."

 

[Pheonixops]

I recently learned the NRA was founded to stop the democrat KKK from murdering black people & Jews. That is why the NRA was founded. To protect africans & Jews from the Democrat founded group - Ku Klux Klan. Amazing, isn't it?

Do you care to back that assertion up with an actual factual citation?

It's funny that the NRA doesn't say what you asserted above on it's own website!

"Dismayed by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops, Union veterans Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to "promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis," according to a magazine editorial written by Church.

After being granted a charter by the state of New York on November 17, 1871, the NRA was founded. Civil War Gen. Ambrose Burnside, who was also the former governor of Rhode Island and a U.S. Senator, became the fledgling NRA's first president. "

You people crack me up!!!

 

[Grandma]

The lies are being posted more and more frequently, but there are no new lies, just the same old ones regurgitated ad infinitum.

What the wingnuts don't realize is that fewer and fewer people buy into their dishonest propaganda, and the ones that do aren't quality citizens.

And how is your propaganda any different than ours, miss? You folks spout just as many lies, but you have cleverly disguised them as to appeal to the public. God help you and your party when they discover this treachery.

"I know you are but what am I" is a perfect example of your pathetic arguments. I have a reputation for honesty. You do not.

 

[Pheonixops]

The lies are being posted more and more frequently, but there are no new lies, just the same old ones regurgitated ad infinitum.

What the wingnuts don't realize is that fewer and fewer people buy into their dishonest propaganda, and the ones that do aren't quality citizens.

Lets do it this way, name a successful black man that has't been on goverment assistance, used affermitive action, or used the race card. There are plenty of conservative black men that are conservatives that did'nt.

Most of my male Black relatives.

 

[poet]

The lies are being posted more and more frequently, but there are no new lies, just the same old ones regurgitated ad infinitum.

What the wingnuts don't realize is that fewer and fewer people buy into their dishonest propaganda, and the ones that do aren't quality citizens.

Lets do it this way, name a successful black man that has't been on goverment assistance, used affermitive action, or used the race card. There are plenty of conservative black men that are conservatives that did'nt.

Most of my male Black relatives.

Me, too.

 

[regent]

Wonder what the spectrum would look like if instead of Democrat/Republican it used liberal/conservative?
Wonder if Lincoln would be labeled a liberal?

 

[Pheonixops]

LOL,

Blacks are never blamed for their violence or inability to join civilization. The democrats of the south before 1960 were right to want separation. The truth is blacks were better off as they had 1# A strong family structure, 2# local economy within the black community that hired blacks, 3# had some of the best music ever made.

What do blacks have today? Welfare, violence and are brainwashed into voting for a party. lol You can't make this shit up!!!

What should we of done? For one we should of gave them equal rights within our society, of course, but we should of treated them equal and expected more out of them. We made a mistake of treating them as the victim and driving the message into their minds that we're just wrong. Big mistake. We really needed to bring them into our society thinking that they need to meet a high standard and as our equal.

Very well reasoned post, Matt.

Ok now, this is just getting weird. You start a thread complaining about those racist Democrats who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights act, then somebody comes in and says blacks were better off under Jim Crow, and you agree with him

Crazy isn't it?

 

[poet]

Wonder what the spectrum would look like if instead of Democrat/Republican it used liberal/conservative?
Wonder if Lincoln would be labeled a liberal?

Giving blacks their freedom??? Giving anybody their freedoms, most definitely.

 

[buckeye45_73]

We agreed that the evidence demonstrated the voting was geographically determined, the North and the West the good Americans, and the South the bad Americans, on the Civil Rights and Voting acts.

The southern racists, as has been proven over and over, ran into the southern GOP.

No one cares that anyone denies the southern strategy happened: the deniers are either ignorant, mentally feeble, or malignantly motivated.

Starkey when you threaten to report me....youre losing.....starkey doesnt answer any questions.....just posts talking points


Hell he wont even tell us what he sgrees with the gop on......he posted a voting record.....which says nothing.

 

[poet]

We agreed that the evidence demonstrated the voting was geographically determined, the North and the West the good Americans, and the South the bad Americans, on the Civil Rights and Voting acts.

The southern racists, as has been proven over and over, ran into the southern GOP.

No one cares that anyone denies the southern strategy happened: the deniers are either ignorant, mentally feeble, or malignantly motivated.

Starkey when you threaten to report me....youre losing.....starkey doesnt answer any questions.....just posts talking points


Hell he wont even tell us what he sgrees with the gop on......he posted a voting record.....which says nothing.

No. When he threatens to report you, he's being responsible. I reported you, for writing out the n-word, in open forum, and was told, regretfully, that in the Flame Zone, even that is allowed. Shameful. But, nevertheless, I got my point across of you being a vile racist.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The lies are being posted more and more frequently, but there are no new lies, just the same old ones regurgitated ad infinitum.

What the wingnuts don't realize is that fewer and fewer people buy into their dishonest propaganda, and the ones that do aren't quality citizens.

And how is your propaganda any different than ours, miss? You folks spout just as many lies, but you have cleverly disguised them as to appeal to the public. God help you and your party when they discover this treachery.

"I know you are but what am I" is a perfect example of your pathetic arguments. I have a reputation for honesty. You do not.

"I am holier than thou" is also a perfect example of yours. Arrogant tool. I have a reputation for fact finding, you do not. Please, find somewhere else to roost, lady.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Wonder what the spectrum would look like if instead of Democrat/Republican it used liberal/conservative?
Wonder if Lincoln would be labeled a liberal?

Giving blacks their freedom??? Giving anybody their freedoms, most definitely.

Yes, it was a Republican that gave blacks their freedom. Democrats who repressed it. History will never change, poet. Get used to it.

 

[TemplarKormac]

LOL,

Blacks are never blamed for their violence or inability to join civilization. The democrats of the south before 1960 were right to want separation. The truth is blacks were better off as they had 1# A strong family structure, 2# local economy within the black community that hired blacks, 3# had some of the best music ever made.

What do blacks have today? Welfare, violence and are brainwashed into voting for a party. lol You can't make this shit up!!!

What should we of done? For one we should of gave them equal rights within our society, of course, but we should of treated them equal and expected more out of them. We made a mistake of treating them as the victim and driving the message into their minds that we're just wrong. Big mistake. We really needed to bring them into our society thinking that they need to meet a high standard and as our equal.

Very well reasoned post, Matt.

Ok now, this is just getting weird. You start a thread complaining about those racist Democrats who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights act, then somebody comes in and says blacks were better off under Jim Crow, and you agree with him

They were, since believe it or not, they had more values than they did today, when the government came along, namely you democrats, you took that from them. Look how spoiled they've become.

 

[Ernie S.]

This message is hidden because [MENTION=30343]poet[/MENTION] is an asshole.

 

[jasonnfree]

Interesting thread. A couple of weeks ago republicans were trying to prove that democrats were fascists and much closer to Hitler than were repubs. Now they're trying to prove that democrats are racists. But repubs are always insulting blacks for voting for democrats to get "free stuff". It was Gingrich that was offering to teach inner city school kids (most or all of whom are black) personal responsibility by doing the schools janitorial work because he obviously thought that the kids weren't getting this responsibility teaching at home. What an insult to working folks trying to raise their kids. But Gingrich probably figured that all blacks are on welfare so they needed the great Newt to show the way to personal responsibility. And the janitors that are laid off because the kids are now doing their job? They can go on unemployment and be called lazy bums getting "free stuff" because we all know there is an overabundance of jobs in the inner city that they could find if they really wanted to work. The republican mind! Go figure.

 

[francoHFW]

Wonder what the spectrum would look like if instead of Democrat/Republican it used liberal/conservative?
Wonder if Lincoln would be labeled a liberal?

Giving blacks their freedom??? Giving anybody their freedoms, most definitely.

Yes, it was a Republican that gave blacks their freedom. Democrats who repressed it. History will never change, poet. Get used to it.

Duh. So what happened to the GOP since 1968, where they now contain 90% of the racists and fight everything that would help minorities, dumbazz dupe? LOL