CDZ Real Questions for Trump Supporters

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    Where do you get that idea?

    Its liberalism, when it took over in the 60's..we didnt have mass shootings on a regular scale before then.

    No?
     
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    I usually have the same problem. I literally spent decades working in the field of subjects that I post about, hoping to share some of what I know to be true and factual. Instead, it's more likely you encounter a clique of political followers of one opinion or another with their only exposure to the subject is what they read online, in newspapers, or in the MSM sources.

    Now, I'm trying a new tactic. I'm going to ask questions and learn what it is I missed and am missing by not being influenced by the news and entertainment media.

    So far, nobody has made an argument that America was a great nation AFTER we began rejecting the principles upon which this Republic rests. Until we know what America looked like when it was great will we be able to quantify what is we want it to be again.

    Economically, creating the Federal Reserve (which is no more "federal" than Federal Express) and turning over a power of Congress to private bankers signaled an inevitable economic ruin for our country. There was no authority for the creation of the Federal Reserve in the Constitution and today nobody talks about it since Ron Paul retired from the world of politics. Since Trump does not address that, I'm wondering how you address the national debt when, under this current scheme, it cannot be done - at least nobody has figured out how to do it on paper.
     
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    When the term "bra burning" came up, I thought that was a reference to feminism.

    On the issue of mass shootings, that is an area where our society creates the shooters. It is directly and indirectly attributable to the drug trade.

    For small time hood rats, thugs, gangs, and whatever else you call them it's generally about bad drug deals, turf wars, gang initiations, etc. This is more prevalent in the non-white neighborhoods.

    What most of us consider real mass shootings: Sandy Hook, Columbine, Parkland, etc., etc. you are looking at one of two types of shooters:

    1) Political jihadists like the San Bernadino shooters, Boston Marathon Bombers, etc.

    2) Primarily white shooters like Sandy Hook, Columbine, Parkland, etc. and these are the more prevalent of the two. Let's talk about them for a moment:

    America is the drug capital of the world. Americans consume over 80 percent of the world's opioid supply; we have more people in prison than any nation on this planet; for every drug addict in a mental health facility, more than ten are in prison. America stays in the Top Ten list of countries that use illegal drugs.

    Our reality is that our culture creates drug addicts through the LEGAL drug market. At any early age, kids are put on Adderall or Ritalin for nonexistent disorders. Just last week on The Phil Show, a girl had been diagnosed with ADD / ADHD in the second grade. Phil puts his head into his hands and then remarked that is too young to make such a diagnoses. Be that as it may, kids get hooked on those legal drugs and in a few years, they are on opioids (whether legal or illegal) and they graduate to regular doses of heroin and other hard core drugs AND, at some point, the doctors will prescribe a class of drugs called SSRIs. SSRIs have the known side effects of homicide and suicide. If a teen meets certain markers and they are prescribed SSRIs, they are virtually guaranteed of committing a violent act in their lifetime.

    I am NOT saying that SSRIs cause mass shootings; however, if you make a random list of mass shooters (half a dozen victims or more) and then Google them and SSRIs, you will find 9 out of 10 were white males 18 to 35 and on SSRIs. Our society creates most mass shooters via the drug trade and America runs off drug profits. You MUST watch this series to understand the depth of the problem:

    America's War on Drugs (TV Mini-Series 2017) - IMDb

    I wonder if there are others here who have watched that documentary series and decided THAT was when America ceased being great. If so, how come we are not addressing the culture whereby pills and police are the primary tools we parent children by in the modern world.
     
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    Your point

    2) Primarily white shooters like Sandy Hook, Columbine, Parkland, etc. and these are the more prevalent of the two. Let's talk about them for a moment:

    has nothing to do with Drugs or the war on drugs yet you try and use them as the basis for the war on drugs. Only the .etc could be interpreted as having anything to do with drugs. You wanted to talk about them, talk about them and stay on point. You changed the subject mid sentence and went on about something completely unrelated.
     
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    Are you kidding? I could tell you almost everything you want to know about most of those shooters before the news media could report it. They were created. Most of them meet certain markers and they were put on SSRIs. If you don't understand the drug trade, you cannot understand mass shootings. Period. Whether the drugs are legal or illegal, our society creates those people.
     
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    Good on you! Because I have given up.

    For years I asked myself...how can they make that BS work in their own head? What could they be thinking?

    I finally found the answer...They don't!

    They literally DON'T THINK! They believe what they want to believe.

    If 1+1 = 17 somehow proves that all blacks are victims...then BY GOD 1+1 = 17...always has...always will!

    If a male "believes" he is a female...then he IS a female.

    I've found it's just not worth my time or aggravation...so now I try to irritate them and their stupidity as hard and as often as I can. :)
     
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    I really don't know what goes on inside the heads of people. Years ago, I thought that if I took on the challenges, went to court and fought, it would give me the credibility to sit down and say this is the way it is in the system. Nobody believes the truth.

    Maybe someone, somewhere came up with something that made people believe whatever leads us to nowhere. I honestly don't know. But, what I can tell you is that political platitudes of Make America Great Again has to result in an end game plan to have any meaning. Otherwise it is just a slogan that doesn't deliver anything.

    If we want to get back to a time when America was great, we have to define when that was. I think we'd all agree it was when America was a superpower and the world looked up to us, not down on us like buffoons and clowns.

    A lot of people think a wall is going to make us a great nation again. It's not going to cure drug addicts, fix dysfunctional homes, reduce the federal deficit, cure liberalism, cause the generation living in mommy's basement and living off welfare to suddenly have any initiative or fix the stranglehold insurance, hospitals and Big Pharma have on us. With U.S. military personnel being arrested by the dozens and charged with human smuggling, I think we're trading one set of problems for another. Maybe an investment in ourselves may make us great again.
     
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    You are making excuses and blaming it on the drug trade. Sorry, but a nutcase is a nutcase.
     
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    Nutcases are manufactured. As someone who worked as a DFACS asset, I have personally witnessed normal kids reduced to insanity by drugs administered by the government. If you're going to criticize me, at least make sure it's over something you have experience with.

    BTW, have you ever been to the funeral of the victims of a mass shooting? I have. During the last one, even the parents of the girl killed knew the bottom line cause. Our society creates these monsters. And, no, read the entire post, I most assuredly do NOT blame drugs alone. It is, however the FIRST and most important contributing factor we could eliminate.

    It's like cancer. Smoking doesn't cause all cancer, but if you don't smoke, you greatly reduce your chances. I submitted a proposal on how to reduce mass shootings without gun control. Part of it includes using NON - DRUG therapies to treat young people BEFORE trying to parent with pills and police.

    All of this is beyond the scope of this thread, so I may begin ignoring you if you cannot tie this to the subject. Again, if you're going to criticize me, do it in some field you have expertise on.
     
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    The latter...and note the role Muslims played in destroying that civilization.
     

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