Reagan & Conservatives -- Revisonist History 101

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    Reagan & Conservatives -- Revisonist History 101
    1988: Reagan Abandoned, Mocked by Hardline Conservatives

    This is why the GOP lost in 2008 and 2012: They are living in a past that never existed, just like Reagan did. Reagan raised taxes, grew government, backed socialist programs, and more. When a political party lives on myth, sooner or later it all just collapses into a warm pile of shit

    So it was Reagan's becoming more liberal towards the Soviets, that brought about Reagan's deals with the Soviets, that led to a warming of the cold war and the end of the Soviets' hostility distrust of the west and the USA
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    How Republicans created the myth of Ronald Reagan

    How Republicans created the myth of Ronald Reagan - Salon.com

    Monday, Feb 2, 2009 03:28 AM PST
    How Republicans created the myth of Ronald Reagan
    With the Gipper's reputation flagging after Clinton, neoconservatives launched a stealthy campaign to remake him as a "great" president.
    By Will Bunch

    How Republicans created the myth of Ronald Reagan

    How Republicans created the myth of Ronald Reagan :eusa_shhh:
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    Geez. what a crock of crap.
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    don't be a dilettante dante, google rangering is not very productive, its just spills ones ignorance to view....
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    :rofl:

    try to be specific...what exactly do you dare dispute?

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    Taj, information can be power. Information that is powerful often elicits responses like yours and that of whitlesshall

    dispute one fact if you dare

    someday you will be worthy enough to challenge in the Bull Ring. Until then, learn to earn credibility by disputing facts:eusa_whistle:
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    To those who might stumble into this thread through curiosity, we ask only one thing...

    notice when ideologues and tools attack yet offer no refutation or argument.

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    Reagan left office about as popular as anyone in history. Why on earth would he worry about his enshrined legacy? I can see the desperation in his detractors a quarter of a century after the man left office. Now that's a legacy!
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    I see why you were named Meathead (dead from the neck up).

    Fact: Reagan was not loved by conservatives when he left office.

    Do you know what Reagan's popularity was his last year in office? Mostly between 49% & 53%.

    Do you know what it must have been with conservatives? Read the past press he received form conservatives, in their very own words they now try to run away from

    revisionism doesn't work where information is available

    Fact: When Reagan left office his biggest detractors were conservatives
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    Trajan won't answer questions, Dante. :lol: He ran himself off a thread last night because he wouldn't or couldn't. He just can't stand being laughed at.

    Now to the point. RR raised taxes three times, had an unemployment rate almost 1% higher than Obama, raised the deficit 16 times, cozied up to the Soviets, lied about Iran-Contra, and was responsible for hundreds of officers and thousands of NCOs leaving the service because of I-C.
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    What is it so-called conservatives today do not get about Reagan's Presidency at the time he served?

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    1988: Reagan Abandoned, Mocked by Hardline Conservatives
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    Poor Traj.:redface:
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    Reagan brought the US from the brink of ruin under liberal progressive Jimmy Carter and his alcoholic brother and put pride back in the US. Reagan policies made sure that we became the last super power in the world. If you wanted to examine the eight years of any administration you could find some bills that don't quite measure up to modern scrutiny and you can cherry pick junk and spin it anyway you want to but Reagan had to deal with a radical left wing congress and he did it with style. Reagan had to compromise with the radical left and deal with an obscure amendment to a Military appropriations bill sponsored by a left wing congressman named Boland that all but guaranteed Communist infiltration to Central America and true to form the left wing media blew it up into Iran/Contra. Reagan still triumphed on that issue.
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    Reagan is the gift that keeps on giving.. His accomplishments annoy lefties to this day, 25 years after leaving office.:clap2:
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    The immature and barely literate defend Reagan? How precious.

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    You're an idiot Reagan closed loopholes and lower overall tax rates that's called tax reform unemployment went from almost 11% to just over 5% under Reagan, Reagan’s policy of "peace through Strength" bankrupted the Soviets while the piece of shit liberals tried to make backroom deals with them. People leaving the military because of Reagan? You're full of it Reagan, restored pride in this country, brought back our economy from the abyss, unleashed our energy production capability, he couldn’t get the spending cuts he wanted because of the liberals in congress
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    I think it's because of Obama's obvious failures and the contrast of a hugely successful president to a very mediocre current POTUS that leads them to try to revise history. It is obviously a fool's errand in light of facts and the huge popularity of Reagan and his legacy so many years later.

    I figure it's a sort of therapeutic venting of outrage over Obama's incompetence and lack of leadership. They just don't have the insight to recognize it.
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    Let's look at the record:

    Spending

    In 1980, Jimmy Caner's last year as president, the federal government spent a whopping 27.9% of "national income" (an obnoxious term for the private wealth produced by the American people). Reagan assaulted the free-spending Carter administration throughout his campaign in 1980. So how did the Reagan administration do? At the end of the first quarter of 1988, federal spending accounted for 28.7% of "national income."

    Even Ford and Carter did a better job at cutting government.

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    Even the heralded Tax Reform Act of 1986 is more deception than substance. It shifted $120 billion over five years from visible personal income taxes to hidden business taxes. It lowered the rates, but it also repealed or reduced many deductions.

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    So the repubs lost in 08 and 12 ,why did the dems get such an ass kicking in 2010??

    A myopic view of events perhaps?
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