Rachel Corrie death trial, day 1

[P F Tinmore]

Good point. We will await jillian's response.

What Israel says is almost true. It does bulldoze the homes of suicide bombers. (At least it did before Palestine stopped them as a policy years ago.) But anyone with enough brain to connect some dots will question this. There have been thousands of homes bulldozed but there have only been a handful of suicide bombers. This huge difference is homes demolished by Israel just because it wants to.

It is not only homes of suicide bombers that get demolished, but also houses of other terrorists. in 2004 alone there were over 600 terrosit attacks on israel using explosive devices. the perpetrators of those actions also get the same treatment.

Do you have a source for those stats?

There are still many more houses demolished than so called terrorist attacks.

 

[xotoxi]

Where did I say the bolded? Why would I have to defend it? Jillian has pretty much summed up my stance with Corrie. It was an accident, a preventable one by her and the group she was with.

Okay...I jumped to a conclusion about what you meant by "sow chaos"?

I'm not sure what "sowing chaos" means. Can you define it?

Helping those like suicide bombers or helping Israelis move onto the West Bank are in my mind, sowing chaos. Yours?

Seeing that I said:

I agree...except with the part that she went to "sow chaos".

Unless you can find a link where she explicitly states that her motives were to help them destroy Israel and that she supported the terrorists, rather than help defend the innocent Palistinian men, women, and children.

...then I agree with you.

Which brings us back to my original point about your "sow chaos" comment...where is the evidence that she "supported the terrorists", or in your words "helped those like suicide bombers"?

 

[Neser Boha]

That said, I have read the various justifications posited for the bulldozing, including one saying there was a tunnel under the house and another saying they were clearing thousands of houses for border issues. Neither is correct to my recollection. In fact, as I recall, the Israeli's were bulldozing the homes of suicide bombers. The thinking was that if the terrorists knew that their families were going to be homeless after, they wouldn't go around blowing themselves up to kill israeli children.

Now, as much as this may have seemed like a good idea on paper, it was a terrible idea. First, outsiders rebuilt these homes and gave money to the families of the suicide bombers to rebuild. That kind of obviated whatever hesitation some suicidal fanatic might feel about leaving his family homeless. The families were also getting, I believe, about $5,000 in cash for their loved ones' endeavor. So any deterrant effect would have been lost anyway. Secondly, the incident was and continues to be damaging to Israel from a PR perspective in a way no other one was able to be. You know, "cute, earnest American girl dies falling under the big bad Israeli bulldozer" So of all the things Israel has done to try to defend itself, I always thought the bulldozers were the worst for a million reasons. But most because terrorist supporting scum should never have had the opportunity to use this terrible thing. Let me say this one more time... NO ONE INTENDED FOR HER TO DIE (unlike acts of terrorism which DO intend someone die... or kidnappings of journalists like Pearl).

Now, as to this kid ... she was a terrorist supporter. What made her a terrorist supporter? She was protecting the homes of the families of the suicide bombers. She had no business being there defending those actions. To be clear, she wasn't in Israel yelling about babies in carriages being blown to pieces. She was protecting the people who did the blowing up. Was this right after a particularly onerous piece of trash blew up a passover sedar at a hotel in israel? I don't remember. The bombs and missiles tend to run into each other in terms of the timeline.

BS.

There is absolutely no evidence that Samir Nasrallah, nor any member of his family, was a suicide bomber, nor has he ever been accused of such a crime by the IDF or the Israeli government.

Corrie's death occurred during what the IDF has referred to as "routine" clearing of terrain and debris as part of a large-scale demolition of an entire neighborhood along the Egyptian border, in order to create a "buffer zone" between Rafah and Egypt.

Linkie:

American peace activist killed by army bulldozer in Rafah - Haaretz - Israel News

It's better to quote parts of the articles - that makes it much harder to ignore. Just a suggestion.

 

[jillian]

Good point. We will await jillian's response.

"We"?

You have a mouse in your pocket?

"YOU" get ridiculed ... not responses.

now, run along and play.

 

[GHook93]

She was one of those who helped make this happen

She knew what was going on with those tunnels. And she was aiding and abetting that crime.

She was not a worker for peace. She was a target for Dexter Morgan. Her own fate snuck up on her and bit her in the ass. She was a cold blooded assistant to the killing machine that is Hamas.

Rachel had never even been to Palestine when the Dolphin Disco bombing occurred - she arrived for the first time in 2003. She couldn't possibly have "helped make it happen."

The rest of your post is equally absurd. Maybe next you'll be accusing her parents of being terror supporters, just because they dare to fight for justice for their slain daughter.

Yea because you know her travel plans!

Please she sympathized and directly supported terrorism! Similar to you!

 

[GHook93]

She was one of those who helped make this happen

She knew what was going on with those tunnels. And she was aiding and abetting that crime.

She was not a worker for peace. She was a target for Dexter Morgan. Her own fate snuck up on her and bit her in the ass. She was a cold blooded assistant to the killing machine that is Hamas.

Tunnels were not the real issue. Israel wanted a buffer zone and all houses were cleared from the border area. No apologies, no compensation, just destroy everything within a few blocks of the border.

Yea because a red neck like you would know! Shit you have been wrong in about everything you post!

 

[al Haq]

Rachel with the Nasrallah family

When the Israeli government forced out the Nasrallahs from their home in Rafah, at Gaza's southern edge, the Nasrallahs didn't get a shekel. Their house was among more than 3,000 that stood in the way of a security cordon that Israel established along the border between Gaza and Egypt. The border district stood above tunnels that were, according to the Israeli government, used to transport weapons and bomb-making materials.

The Nasrallahs occupied the last house standing in their neighborhood; it was the homestead that American activist Rachel Corrie died trying to protect. She was fatally injured in March 2003, after a bulldozer allegedly crushed her as it advanced in the direction of the Nasrallahs' house. Corrie, who had put herself between the bulldozer and the house, was in Gaza as a member of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM), a pro-Palestinian activist group that uses nonviolent means to oppose Israeli policies in the territories.

After an internal investigation, the Israeli army called Corrie's death an accident

...

To frustrate Rafah tunnel builders, the IDF decided to create a wide-open no-man's land next to the border, similar in appearance to the cleared zone that communist East Germany established to thwart defectors trying to reach West Berlin. The Israeli plan required flattening several tightly packed Palestinian neighborhoods.

Linkie:
Two Families’ Dreams Were Not Demolished | Community Briefs | Jewish Journal

 

[GHook93]

She was attempting to prevent a pharmacist's house from being bulldozed. Hopefully, Israeli bulldozers will begin running over landmines instead of non-violent protesters.

LOL, off course you would say pancake was trying to protect a pharmacist's house. Rather than a smuggler of arms that were being used on Israeli civilian centers!

 

[Neser Boha]

Good point. We will await jillian's response.

"We"?

You have a mouse in your pocket?

"YOU" get ridiculed ... not responses.

now, run along and play.

So you have nothing to say about your claim being disproven?

 

[GHook93]

That pancake was no angel!

"Pancake"... does that mean we can refer to Israeli suicide bomb victims as "confetti"?

You do know the vast majority of suicide bombing victims are muslim. So we can call them Muslim confetti!

 

[xsited1]

Little Green Footballs - The Rachel Corrie Pancake Breakfast

 

[jillian]

So you have nothing to say about your claim being disproven?

To him? No. He's a troll.

To you, I will say that I already answered it. And I stated in my initial post that it was my recollection.

I also don't see a hugely significant difference between stopping smuggling of weapons and bombs and retaliating against a suicide bombing.

If you actually read my post, you'll see that I think it was a silly thing for Israel to do.

But I also think she shouldn't have been there.

 

[GHook93]

Please only the antisemites, who never needed extra motivation to hate Jews, truly care about pancake!

And your point is? The last time I looked every American citizen has THE RIGHT to her/his opinion, whatever that may be.

That pancake was no angel!

I find your attempt at humor to be very distasteful.

However, the dufus who killed Rachel Corrie created a nightmare for Israel. Now her words are heard around the world.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X4-VtkriKY&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - Alice Walker reads Rachel Corrie[/ame]

 

[Shogun]

She was attempting to prevent a pharmacist's house from being bulldozed. Hopefully, Israeli bulldozers will begin running over landmines instead of non-violent protesters.

No family-EZ

As with GHOOK this week, we see another zionist motherfucker skirting the rules and not being banned for bringing family into these threads.


shocker. Clearly, making this piece of shit abide by the same rules as the rest of us is antisemitism.

 

[Shogun]

I still like retard pancake the best.

and I bet jesus loves you more for it.

 

[GHook93]

And that is a good reason to kill her, right?

Nice putting words in someones mouth! She wasn't murdered, she was killed by at worst negligence. Was her death tragic? Yes. Was she a stupid confused self-righteous trash? DMN RIGHT!

G, why do you have to shit in your own mouth right after actually saying something that makes sense?

Yes, it may have just been human error and negligence - or the driver simply didn't see her - and yes, it was tragic. But she was not trash! How the hell can you call her trash? Is it because she HAD THE AUDACITY to CRITICIZE Israel the Immaculate, the Infallible?

You are so obvious it makes me feel embarrassed - for your sake.

She an American that burned the American flag. I saw a letter written by her and I am desperately trying to locate it on the internet condemning America. In my OPINION I find someone trash who accepts US citizen yet burns her flag and prays for her downfall.

In all truthfulness, I find her death tragic! She was young (misguided and young), was a civilian and death was very avoidable. Its a tragedy when any young person dies, whether it be an American, Israeli or Palestinian!

 

[Shogun]

personally anyone mocking someone's death is simply an uncaring asshole.....

oh please... One of the ways people use to deal with death is humor. And israelis joke about suicide bombers and the holocaust. Corrie gets no special treatment.

YEA! we see all those "JEW IN A CAMP" jokes all the time! Here's one for you, what do you call a jew taking a shower in a German concentration camp on his birthday? Give up?




A FUCKING JEW!


all of a sudden i'm an antisemite, right buddy? You scheisty motherfuckers would insist that dead babies are funny just so you can laugh at bloody pali toddlers. Then, when it comes to dead jewish toddlers all of a sudden....

 

[Shogun]

As Sorry as I am for Corrie's death, i cannot, help but wonder: She knew she was going into a warzone and putting her own life at risk. I'm sorry for what happened, but Corrie's death was her own doing and her parents have no one to blame for it than Rachel herself, though i don't blame them for what they're doing, i cannot even begin to grasp how one handles the death of one's own child.

Replace Rachel Corrie's name with Daniel Pearl.

the difference is pearl was kidnapped where as corrie was accidentily killed.

But yes, much like corrie pearl knew very well what he was getting himself into...

there is ALWAYS a difference, isn't there?

 

[GHook93]

Good point. We will await jillian's response.

Why should she its any illogical question!

(At least it did before Palestine stopped them as a policy years ago.)

Again you have no idea of what you speak! The bulldozing stop as an ISRAELI policy and due to the fact the the HIGHLY JUSTIFIED WALL has stopped your terrorist friends from committing suicide bombings.

 

[xsited1]

My hunch is that Rachel Corrie decided to commit suicide. Rather than suicide by cop, she chose suicide by bulldozer. And now people see her as a martyr. Nice trick.