Questions for Tea Partiers

Okay, so we'll probably end up agreeing to disagree on this one. There is no way in hell I would trust the local politicians in MI to regulate or oversee the environment there. THat was pretty much the situation in the 50's, 60's and into the 70's. What regulation and oversight occured? None. It wasn't until some danm Liberals from other states, as well as Canada made a huge fuss that the damage by the Big Three was ever challenged. By then, the joke was that you could walk across Lake Erie without ever getting wet. Just about every form of life in the Rouge River was dead. And for thirty years, there was no one from the state to report it to the Fed. When they finally did, it was determined that the state legislature had eliminated all that nasty, liberal, unnecessary government regulation to such a point, that none of the auto manufacturers was found guilty of committing a single crime.
And trust Texas politicians to set the standards, regulations for say Gulf rig valves for example? To never look the other way? Not while I have a vote on it.

Your example is good and I've never been a big fan of Feinstein anyway. So although I'm sure there are lots of examples like the one you made, there are also ones like mine.

The other thing is that I've always been a proponent of nuke power. I have my concerns and they've increased lately but still on the pro-side. However, if standards were left to states? Get rid of the NRC? Would never go for that either. Scary juju!

Those are fine examples of what can and should be avoided. I agree with you on nuclear power and that is a case where there is huge potential danger and a huge potential benefit. I don't think it's an either/or comparison of "get rid of the NRC" or not, and the functions served by the NRC at a federal level do not in itself mandate the rest of the EPA waste (not valid functions that the EPA serves, the bureaucratic waste part of it).

So much of the debate about the size and scope of the federal government usually arises out of mischaracterization and inflamed rhetoric. One side assumes that since those in favor of getting rid of the EPA as a huge bureaucracy, that automatically means they want to set the Cuyahoga River on fire again. Then the other side says that since they don't want that to be possible anymore that means they want to outlaw any and all manufacturing. That said, there are extremes who want exactly that.

You and I are neither in this discussion, and most people are actually reasonable.

Going back to your original stated intent of this thread, the TP generally agrees that the size, influence, and procedures of the government has gone too far. Of course they look extreme when the debate is framed from a position that automatically assumes that government size MUST increase, that the government budget MUST increase, that regulations and micromanagement MUST increase, and that anyone who wants to shrink it at all are simply advocating anarchy.

The reality is that there is a way to do this stuff effectively and nobody gets everything they want.
 
1. One poster claims the ONLY thing the TP is concerned about is the budget. I don't find this credible. What say you?

1. Section 8, Article I and nothing more.



2. Lots of you claim you want to return to a Constitutional government. The problem I have is that you all seem to believe that only your interpretation of the Constitution is the right one. Ex: I asked about owning a machine gun, RPG or Nuke under the 2nd Amendment. Three TP's who agreed with each other all responded. They gave three different responses and reasons why. Then they all claimed the USC never needs to be interpreted. Connect those dots..

2. The TP’s that responded were not true TP members. True TP members do not interpret the Constitution. They except the Constitution as written.



3. Do you believe Obama is a Kenyan? Muslim? Really?

3. At this point it is irrelevant and does not matter no matter who you are.



4. Would you overturn Roe v Wade?

4. Yes. It is a social matter injected in to the Federal level of government to split votes.
This matter should be advocated on a state, local and personal level.



5. Would you close all our foreign military bases? Most? Some? None? This is an area you guys seem pretty diverse on.

5. Speaking as a 20 yr retired combat vet. Yes. The military was intended for the defense of the people of the United States and it‘s boarders. The winning of the harts and minds should be left up the State Department.



6. The list a government agencies you would eliminate is also quite varied. EPA? CIA? USDA? FAA? I don't find any of those Un Constitutional and although I know there is waste and inefficiency, would keep them all. I can explain my reasoning and if you disagree, guess what? That doesn't mean you're "an ignorant statists libtard socialist!" or whatever. But I'm curious as to how extensive a list you have.

6. Section 8, Article I and nothing more.



7. So. Can I go get my Rocket Propelled Grenade launcher now?
Only if you are properly licensed to do so. Other wise it against the law.

They had cannons back in the FF's day!
You can own a black powder front loaded cannon today as well in all most all 50 states. As long as you do not use it in the commission of a crime you should be ok. Check first.

How about mounting a .50 cal on my upstairs porch overlooking the street?
If you are properly lessoned and it is not against the law in your state or against your local ordnance to brandish a weapon, just having one on your front porch to send a message should be no problem. Check first

My own personal nuke?
With or with out delivery system?
Again, if you are licensed and can properly maintain the ordnance in accordance with all regulations and do not use it in the commission of a crime, go for it. Check first



8. Health Care. Hmm. I think Obama Care sucks balls. What would you do about health care for the poor? Anything? Nothing? Soylent Green?

8. Health care is a State, local and personal level social issue.
Section 8, Article I and nothing more.
Can you say Romney care? This is OK. How ever I would move or get it changed.



9. Gay Marriage. Will it make you gay? Do you not care?

9. Gay Marriage is a State, local and personal level social issue.
Section 8, Article I and nothing more.



10. Gays in Military. Will our troops become sissies?

10. There have always been Gays in the Military.



11. Taxes. Flat tax? Fair tax? Thumb tax?

11. Fair tax.
Rich, poor, male, female all should pay taxes. The richer you are, the more you buy and the more you taxes you pay. The poorer you are, the less you buy and the less taxes you pay.
If you are to poor to buy any thing, than you should seek assistance from friends, Church, local government or State Government in that order. If you live in a place that has none of these move to a state that does. In the U.S. you are free to do this.



12. Do you think Michelle Bachmann was correct when she said the Founding Fathers worked tirelessly to abolish slavery?

12. The very first Constitutional compromise was over slavery. It was wrong then and every Constitutional compromise after that is why we are in the mess we are in now.



13. Do you think Sarah Palin is unfairly attacked by the Media?

13. If it’s true, how can it be unfair. If it’s not than that is malice and against the law and should be dealt with according to the law.



14. Do you think FOX is too liberal? Fair and unbiased? Has a Conservative agenda?

14. That a personal issue. News is in the ear of the hearer.
I watch Fox for the same reason I vote. They best represent my personal beliefs just as the right best represents my Constitutional issues.



15. Do you think any of our problems are in part, the fault of Bush?

15. Yes! But mostly Conservatives in general.
EVERY FREEDOM LOST IN THE LAST 100YRS WAS COMPROMISED AWAY BY THE REPUBLICANS AND THE LAST 60YRS BY A CONSERVATIVE.



16. How about that water-boarding!

16. How about an electric drill into your knee cap?
I say if you are fighting an enemy that follows ALL of the rules so should you.



17. Was the debt ceiling thing all the Dems fault?

17. It is the fault of all voters, left and right who advocate there personal social issues on a Federal level instead of the State and local level where the Constitution intended them to be.



18. Do you think Job Creators like Big Oil and MNE's should get special tax breaks or subsidies that other companies do not? Why?

18. No! if the Federal Government only carried out the duties described in Section 8, Article I and nothing more, their would be no need for at least 75% of taxes collected today. The rest would come from duties like they did in the beginning.



19. Is America a Christian Nation? What does that mean?

19. At the time, it was a nation made up of mostly Christians. The Constitution was written for people of a high moral caliber not for Christians. How ever, if you feel you can’t be moral with out being religious go for it.



20. How about PAC and lobbyist contributions? Keep em secret?

20. If the Federal Government limited it’s duties to Section 8, Article I and nothing more, there would be no PAC’s and lobbyist.


I'm not a Tea Paryt member.

Herman Cain and Michele Bachmann!

This is as close to a Constitutional (“A” Political) ticket as you can get at this time and that’s what the movement is all about.
Until they are eliminated in the primaries, this is should be the
ONLY TICKET BACKED BY TPN AT THIS TIME.

There are as many Conservatives as there are people.
Every one is trying to conserve what they believe in through politics, left or right.
Being part of the Tea Party movement makes you a Constitutionalist.
Being a Constitutionalist makes you conservative, (“A” Political) not a Conservative.
You can’t just call your self a generic “Conservative” and be in the Tea Party movement, you must call your self a Constitutional Conservative ( No social issues on a Federal level ) and differentiate your self from the other so called Conservatives that have compromised away all of our lost freedoms in the last 60 years.

The water in the OB political toilet has started swirl.
Frankly, no one on TPN has any idea what the state of the Union will be at the time of the election. If it’s really gets worse, may be even the county dog catcher would have a good chance. Every one on the not elect able train, needs to stop with the “Who can and can’t beat OB at this time and back the ticket that best represents the Constitution.

The left is all so backing Parry at this time, that’s why he is ahead in the polls.
(can you say McCain)
They know he would have a hard time beating OB.
They all so know that Romney would revert back to a moderate after the primaries and win.

In the primaries:
At this time, in the end I think it will be Parry because that’s what the left wants.
The RINO’s are pushing for Romney.
The “Conservatives” hiding in the Tea Party movement are siding with the left and backing Parry because they think all the Constitutional Conservatives are un elect able.
The true Constitutional Conservatives in the movement will vote for who best represents the Constitution in the primaries, regardless of elect ability.
 
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